The US measures their cities differently. If you count the metro area, Honolulu just ticked over 1m.
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The US measures their cities differently. If you count the metro area, Honolulu just ticked over 1m.
It could be more likely that islands are by their nature thought as remote w.r.t. to a land mass
and people are taliking about a city be remote w.r.t. a land mass.
Again, it's irrelevant as Hawaii doesn't have any teams in a national professional league.
Again, it's irrelevant as the physical and mental demands for AFL are unique.
Again, it's irrelevant as the scheduling and travel requirements in AFL are unique.
threenewpadlocks
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It ticked over then has gone back down again.
Greater Honolulu is the same as Honolulu County, which is the entire island of Oahu.
The latest population estimates have it as a decreasing population below 1 million that it was measured at in the 2020 census.
If you're going to be pedantic, be correct.
Given the varied ways you can define "city" and the understanding that it has to have a minimum level of population, I think being too angry when people say Perth is the most isolated city in the world (with the implied suggestion referring to over 1 million people) is fine, even if I do agree Honolulu is "a city" and is more isolated.
People can just say "most isolated big city" and make the same point that they were trying to make.
Geezus this is ridiculous. Nobody is looking at that and going it's not a city of 1m people. It's 990k. Honolulu is the most remote city in the world. Get over it. We've spent too long derailing this thread over something that really doesn't matter or relate to it.
threenewpadlocks
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I'm not the one that introduced pedantry to this thread, you are.
You're right, I'm sorry, I couldn't let the claim that Perth is the most isolated city go unchecked.
I'm also sorry for being a pedant about the 1700km discrepancy, but rounding up to 1m for 990k.
Apologies all around.
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You've spent too long derailing this thread over something that really doesn't matter or relate to it.
Geezus this is ridiculous.
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Bjo187
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How is it being pedantic, it's fact that American cities aren't measured the same, for example los Angeles has a population listed as 3.8 million, Melbourne's population is listed at 5.2 million.
I can assure you having been to l.a plenty of times it's about triple the size of Melbourne.
U.S. cities count their populations differently than Australian ones do.
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difficultly with acceding with certain commands...so we leave it
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Bunbury to host historic AFL clash as Roos sell games to WA
Bunbury is set to host a historic AFL game next season, with North Melbourne finalising a deal to ‘host’ games against West Coast and Freo in WA.
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AFL in Bunbury: North Melbourne to sell two games to Western Australia in 2025, including one in South West
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Bunbury to host historic AFL clash as Roos sell games to WA
Bunbury is set to host a historic AFL game next season, with North Melbourne finalising a deal to ‘host’ games against West Coast and Freo in WA.
AFL in Bunbury: North Melbourne to sell two games to Western Australia in 2025, including one in South West
Interesting development. Is it AFL driven, WA government driven or NM desperation driven ?
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North Melbourne is reportedly finalising a lucrative agreement with the AFL and Western Australian state government to play home games in Perth over the next three seasons.
In the mooted deal, the Kangaroos will play two ‘home games’ in Perth for each of the next three seasons, helping alleviate financial pressure on the struggling Victorian club and allaying the Eagles and Dockers’ fixture stresses.
According to Seven reporter Ryan Daniels, the Roos will ‘host’ the West Coast Eagles and Fremantle next season as part of a two-week venture, with one game to come at Optus Stadium and the other to be played in the state’s south-west — Daniels floated Bunbury’s Hands Oval as the ‘likely destination’.
It is understood that the deal is set to pocket North Melbourne in excess of $2 million per year — with the Optus Stadium fixture alone set to rake in approximately $1.2 million for the Roos — bringing the total to over $6 million across the arrangement’s three-year period.
Daniels added that North is expected to still play games in Hobart next season, though not as many as the four it hosted at Bellerive Oval this year. The Roos also played an away game in Launceston against Hawthorn.
The deal gifts West Coast and Fremantle an extra game in their home state, as well as a tourism kick for the WA state government.
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In the mooted deal, the Kangaroos will play two ‘home games’ in Perth for each of the next three seasons, helping alleviate financial pressure on the struggling Victorian club and allaying the Eagles and Dockers’ fixture stresses.
According to Seven reporter Ryan Daniels, the Roos will ‘host’ the West Coast Eagles and Fremantle next season as part of a two-week venture, with one game to come at Optus Stadium and the other to be played in the state’s south-west — Daniels floated Bunbury’s Hands Oval as the ‘likely destination’.
It is understood that the deal is set to pocket North Melbourne in excess of $2 million per year — with the Optus Stadium fixture alone set to rake in approximately $1.2 million for the Roos — bringing the total to over $6 million across the arrangement’s three-year period.
Daniels added that North is expected to still play games in Hobart next season, though not as many as the four it hosted at Bellerive Oval this year. The Roos also played an away game in Launceston against Hawthorn.
The deal gifts West Coast and Fremantle an extra game in their home state, as well as a tourism kick for the WA state government.
Roos set to sign $6m ‘landmark deal’ to play WA home games for next three years
Vic club set to sign $6m ‘landmark deal’ to play WA home games for three years
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Talks have advanced with the WA state government to play back-to-back matches in the west in 2025, against Fremantle and West Coast.
It is understood discussions have included one of those matches being played in Bunbury, two hours south of Perth, with the other to be at Optus Stadium.
The Roos would not shave off any Melbourne home games in the deal, with the club to still host seven matches at Marvel Stadium next year.
It is understood discussions have included one of those matches being played in Bunbury, two hours south of Perth, with the other to be at Optus Stadium.
The Roos would not shave off any Melbourne home games in the deal, with the club to still host seven matches at Marvel Stadium next year.
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Bjo187
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Interesting, I think a good move by North for the time being. Does this bring into play Mark Duffield's suggestion that a third w.a team should be created out of the South West? I just had some family travel through that Bunbury area and they said it's growing fast out there.
I think it'll be more like Mt Barker and Lyndoch being included in Gather Round.
Good for a one or two-game tourism boost per season, but surely it couldn't sustain a full-time team. Any WA team would have to be Perth-based to actually be sustainable.
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The podcast episode has disappeared where he goes in depth on it coz it was back in April. But he makes the point Bunbury, bussleton and up to mandurah is footy heartland and a growing area and they'd be a success like Geelong and not cut into west coast or Freo territory.
I tend to agree I'd prefer a team in the competition actually called Perth and based out of joondalup, playing a few games there and others at Optus, but I know very little about the area.
Perth is definitely an under serviced market and needs 3 teams, but I want Canberra too. It comes back to the age old problem of the afl being unwilling to relocate a Melbourne club, so the competition is already too big, but with clubs unevenly distributed across populations.
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I think there is a Hybrid Solution here. This is what I wrote on another thread on North Melbourne Selling Games:
I think there is a larger opportunity here for North to set themselves up for the long term (both financially and from a supporter, membership and corporate support perspective). I think there is more opportunity for North to have a real "Home" in WA AND VIC and build a membership base in the long term.
Status Quo: 7 Games Marvel (VIC), 4 Games (Tas), 1 Game away in Launceston against HAW.
What has been leaked to the Media: 7 Games Marvel (Vic), 2 Games (Tas), 2 Games WA.
My Thoughts (post 2025): 7 Games Marvel (Vic), 2 North home games in WA against Freo and WC, 2 North home games against non WA opposition. AFL to guarantee North has an AWAY game against Freo and WC in Perth. So that ends up being 6 Games total for North in WA and 7 Games Marvel (Vic).
Benefits: North keeps its current 7 Home Games in Victoria (no change). It gets 6 games in WA to really build a membership base as a true 3rd club in Perth. Having Home and Away games in Perth guaranteed against Freo/WC means the opportunity to build a "Derby" atmosphere and real rivalry against the WA Clubs (especially as the North list improves), which will really work well in the WA media landscape and help WA people adopt North as a "Home Team"
Drawback: Two clubs travel further (to WA instead of TAS) for the WA home games against North. From QLD/SA perspective it might be similar travel times distances to travelling to Hobart.
Impact on North's Season: Play the North vs. non WA teams the weekend after the North Vs. WC/Freo - Stay the week and build a base in WA media and the community, will reduce the number of flights for North. Still more travelling KMs but still much less travel "days/total travel KMs" than other non-Victorian sides.
I offer this as an unbiased observer from Queensland (and someone who lived in WA for Seven years). As a Brisbane Lions supporter having a dual location fan base has turned into a strength for the club.
I think this would be a great idea, but North already have issues attracting players. They wont get players looking to go home to Vic anymore, and they wont get the players wanting to go home to WA either, as they spend a 3rd of the season elsewhere. Maybe they wont care as theyre already low on that list anyway.
If they do 6 games in WA, they could do 3x week long trips with a game at the start and end. North could do Sunday games into a Friday night game in Perth to give the Perth teams those friday night games they never get access to(even if its a double header)
Combined population is <200,000.
Joondalup has no stadium or railway station. It is the home of West Perth and is nominally Eagles territory.
Perth can be described as a huge "K" with the coastal strip intensely split between the two incumbents.
Technically true, but is that sufficient reason?
NO it's the AFL clubs themselves unwilling to relocate.
Though NM has a reasonable supporter base in W.A. any relocated club would not be a success.
If North want to genuinely use this as an opportunity to build a supporter base here they're going to want to play teams from outside WA.
I'm assuming part of the deal is that they don't get scheduled away games in Perth so it's not like their presence is any more than usual. At most 1 more game.
I'm assuming part of the deal is that they don't get scheduled away games in Perth so it's not like their presence is any more than usual. At most 1 more game.
threenewpadlocks
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What suggestion is there that North are looking at this as an opportunity to build a base in WA rather than this just being a cash smash and grab?
People are just assuming it to be the case without anyone coming out and saying it.
People are just assuming it to be the case without anyone coming out and saying it.
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- Addressing all the points above, if North played 4 games in w.a that might be ok, but I don't think the w.a public will adopt them as a w.a team, so it won't build their supporter base much. Unless maybe they did play games outta the regional south west there, they could build a base there coz it's 2 hours outside of Perth.
- If north relocated to become w.a 3, they would be building off a small/but big base for an interstate side of 6k members, better than starting from scratch, but would the w.a public always associate them as a Victorian team? Also they lack a point of difference in they are another blue/purple team in the same state.
- To redvx3's point, the Joondalup ground has a train line running near by, I'm sure they'd just put in another station stop there. There is also room to redevelop. West Perth could just become their reserves side, similar to peel for Freo. West Perth would welcome money being poured into their facility and surrounds I'm sure.
- The ultimate solution to all this is though, North relocate permanently to Canberra and become the Canberra kangaroos. It's close enough to drive for Victorian fans if they really wanna attend, it's a market that needs a team, the Canberra government will transfer the gws dollars plus more to North ($7.5 mill annually going by the giants rate), they'd have a new home ground at an upgraded Manuka, they'd get academy access to the whole of the ACT and riverina and they'd go from being a small club with no growth opportunities, to a medium size club in a growing city with arguably the strongest academy area in the country. They could do the 1 or 2 games at marvel annually to keep the Victorian fans happy, in addition to Vic away games, so still about 7 Victorian games. They need to follow the successful template of the swans and lions, but a relocation to a place that's the closest option in Australia is more appealing than the previous gold coast and tassie suggestions (and before anybody says, yes I know north played in Canberra 20 years ago, but the place was much smaller back then and they were never a permanent Canberra team, so the locals had no reason to invest in them).
Then... you bring in w.a 3 as a fresh Western Australian franchise.
- If north relocated to become w.a 3, they would be building off a small/but big base for an interstate side of 6k members, better than starting from scratch, but would the w.a public always associate them as a Victorian team? Also they lack a point of difference in they are another blue/purple team in the same state.
- To redvx3's point, the Joondalup ground has a train line running near by, I'm sure they'd just put in another station stop there. There is also room to redevelop. West Perth could just become their reserves side, similar to peel for Freo. West Perth would welcome money being poured into their facility and surrounds I'm sure.
- The ultimate solution to all this is though, North relocate permanently to Canberra and become the Canberra kangaroos. It's close enough to drive for Victorian fans if they really wanna attend, it's a market that needs a team, the Canberra government will transfer the gws dollars plus more to North ($7.5 mill annually going by the giants rate), they'd have a new home ground at an upgraded Manuka, they'd get academy access to the whole of the ACT and riverina and they'd go from being a small club with no growth opportunities, to a medium size club in a growing city with arguably the strongest academy area in the country. They could do the 1 or 2 games at marvel annually to keep the Victorian fans happy, in addition to Vic away games, so still about 7 Victorian games. They need to follow the successful template of the swans and lions, but a relocation to a place that's the closest option in Australia is more appealing than the previous gold coast and tassie suggestions (and before anybody says, yes I know north played in Canberra 20 years ago, but the place was much smaller back then and they were never a permanent Canberra team, so the locals had no reason to invest in them).
Then... you bring in w.a 3 as a fresh Western Australian franchise.
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I agree, North are simply coming here to get money. Smart idea by them also. They already have a very solid following in WA. They won't grow it but it's not about that.
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