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Smeg Head said:
When a quarter of your revenue is from pokies then its a bit full of it to be crowing about a profit.
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Not after what we've been through. It's a great story. To focus on the pokies revenue aspect, something the club has already publicly committed to addressing in the future, is telling.

Thanks also for avoiding the question. Also telling.
 
I love all the moral high horse people about pokies give me a spell. It's legal if anything I would like to see us make more from pokies we could clearly do better as other clubs make more. There's a chance for financial growth here I want to take it make 6 or 7 million next year and have all the whingers whinging again next year. No club makes all there money from football operations including WA clubs.
 
Lavender Bushranger said:
Agree.

I don't have an issue with gambling of any kind.

Pokies venues however, I do have an issue with.

But that's another topic.


My point was that it's a bit unsavoury to see people celebrating an organisation making an enormous amount of money from gambling.

I find it quite shameful to be honest.
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you do realise, surely, that EFC didn't just get pokie machines, and that regardless of anyone's thoughts on them, revenue has stayed more or less constant? So, therefore, the idea that significant growth in profit in one year is because of pokie machines is as dumb as dogshit, right?
 

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Lavender Bushranger said:
Xavier Campbell stated that Essendon's business model revolves around gaming revenue.
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my god, it just gets more and more stupid. Of course he said no such thing. Essendon's business model revolves around putting on football matches, and gaining revenue from attendance, membership, and sponsorships. Gaming revenue is, at best, a side revenue stream, by definition not what the model revolves on.

But, of course, you just trolling, but you are also doing a bad job of it and making yourself look stunningly stupid
 
Lance Uppercut said:
my god, it just gets more and more stupid. Of course he said no such thing. Essendon's business model revolves around putting on football matches, and gaining revenue from attendance, membership, and sponsorships. Gaming revenue is, at best, a side revenue stream, by definition not what the model revolves on.

But, of course, you just trolling, but you are also doing a bad job of it and making yourself look stunningly stupid
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Also when Campbell stated that Essendon's "business model relies on gaming revenue", are you saying he's wrong?

What do you think he meant when he specifically used the word "relies"?

And if it doesn't "rely" on it - why don't they just get rid of them?
 
Lance Uppercut said:
I appreciate your sentiment but for me, nope.

Not because I've enjoyed any of it, far from it. But because I think it was "the recession we had to have" in many ways. Essendon was an arrogant club, stuffed with a sense of entitlement that had withered into mediocrity. Poorly governed, poor decision making processes, stuck in the 90s.

The club we have now is vastly different to that one and without he we may have been the new Richmond. Obviously it remains to be seen if we'll get the outcomes we hope for, but IMHO we are in a much better place now than we were then.
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A club that still puts its standing in the game as a being a 'powerhouse' ahead of the welfare of the poor souls it sucks money out of at its two gaming venues?


Lovely place. Glad the arrogance has gone.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
hehe nice poorly summarised quote taken out of context. He said it is part of the business model, then he also went on to say the club are looking for ways to break that business model.
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It wasn't taken out of context at all. And he didn't say "it is part" of the business model. That's simply not true. He stated that their "business model relies on gaming revenue".


"we've been in that position for a long time before that, we've stated publicly before that that we want to be less reliant on that"

So they've stated that they want to be less reliant on gaming for a long time - but haven't done anything to address it. Why? Well, this gives an insight...

"We're beholden to the members, we can't put the club at financial risk"

And then this when asked if they'd be happy to be out of the gaming caper if the AFL found a better way...

"We'd be certainly open to looking at that"

Hmmm, doesn't sound too convincing to me. Then he followed up with this...

"We've got two venues, and have a lot of staff that work at those venues, so I don't want to take away from that"

So they'd be looking at it - but probably wouldn't do it. Cause, you know, powerhouse and all.
 
Lavender Bushranger said:
No natural light. No clocks. Free food. Dim lighting. Poor exit signage. Discreet entrances. etc. etc.

I worked at a major gaming company quite recently, and they had an entire department with the specific job of designing pokies venues to ensure that people find it difficult to leave, lose track of time and basically disconnect from reality.

I guarantee you, that if pokies were not in 'venues', they wouldn't be half the problem they are in society today.


And the venues and gambling companies know this.
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Cant be that recent. All pokie machines have the time displayed on the screen right in front of the punter. Has been that way for a number of years (Over 4 at least).
 
ApplecrossWC said:
AFL should have fined them a lot more.

Also congratulations to all the Essendon fans patting themselves on the back for exploiting the most vulnerable with pokies. Well done to you I guess?
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What about the people who enjoy playing pokies within there means we make money of these people too. What about the older wealthy people of Essendon who play lawn bowls and come into Windy Hill and spend $20 on the pokies is this ok? They have budgeted for it what's the problem here or do you class them as vulnerable as they choose to spend there disposable income on different entertainment to you. The only reason North Melbourne don't have pokies is because they run them poorly and couldn't make a dollar from them. No one went to Arden street to play so now they stand on there moral high horse but if they had have made 11 million a year like Essendon they would still have them.
 
STANTS said:
What about the people who enjoy playing pokies within there means we make money of these people too. What about the older wealthy people of Essendon who play lawn bowls and come into Windy Hill and spend $20 on the pokies is this ok?
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Lol give us a spell. You are living in a dream world. Justify it any way you can, whatever helps you sleep at night :thumbsu:
 
ApplecrossWC said:
AFL should have fined them a lot more.

Also congratulations to all the Essendon fans patting themselves on the back for exploiting the most vulnerable with pokies. Well done to you I guess?
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It's not as pathetic when there is North patting them self on the back for being financially viable, when the rely on selling home games and finding from most of the other clubs to pay their bills
 

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ApplecrossWC said:
Lol give us a spell. You are living in a dream world. Justify it any way you can, whatever helps you sleep at night :thumbsu:
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I sleep just fine people can spend there money anyway they like. It's there money not yours!! If your out for dinner on a Friday night having an expensive meal what would your reaction be if someone said you were a disgrace and should donate money to charity instead of having a nice meal? Your money do what you like with it just like everyone else. If you have a gambling problem seek help take up the self exclusion clauses all venues offer. If people want to spend there money gambling on pokies that's there decision whether you or I think it's waste of money is not relevant at all.

By the way there are wealthy people who live in Essendon who play lawn bowls and play pokies that have more than enough money to be able to afford it.
 
bombersfan4000 said:
It's not as pathetic when there is North patting them self on the back for being financially viable, when the rely on selling home games and finding from most of the other clubs to pay their bills
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I think it's sad when we consider that 'pathetic', but cheer for a club making money off pokies.
 
Lavender Bushranger said:
No natural light. No clocks. Free food. Dim lighting. Poor exit signage. Discreet entrances. etc. etc.

I worked at a major gaming company quite recently, and they had an entire department with the specific job of designing pokies venues to ensure that people find it difficult to leave, lose track of time and basically disconnect from reality.

I guarantee you, that if pokies were not in 'venues', they wouldn't be half the problem they are in society today.


And the venues and gambling companies know this.
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it gets better.

You worked at a major gaming company and you have the hide to get up in arms about other companies who invest in gaming? ****ing lol

I hate gambling and everything about it, but I'd love to know how you think the tactics of EVERY gaming company is different, putting easy to use apps into every young males pocket and advertising incessantly about using those apps?

lol
 
Lavender Bushranger said:
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Also when Campbell stated that Essendon's "business model relies on gaming revenue", are you saying he's wrong?

What do you think he meant when he specifically used the word "relies"?

And if it doesn't "rely" on it - why don't they just get rid of them?
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again, I hate gambling but another thing I hate is people's expectations that certain organisations, like the AFL or the EFC, should be some kind of moral arbiter in society. Why is that? It's clear that if football clubs didn't have pokies the licences would be held by some other company or industry. That's not to say they shouldn't divest of them but the "reliance" of the business model that you talk about is the same kind of "reliance" that sees the AFL allow wall to wall betting at grounds and about their product.

Lessening the reliance on pokie revenue needs to be an industry wide push if it happens. Then other companies can swoop in, buy the venue, and instead of going to NFP organisations like clubs it can go into the hands of various shareholders. Result eh
 
Lavender Bushranger said:
I think it's sad when we consider that 'pathetic', but cheer for a club making money off pokies.
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ApplecrossWC said:
AFL should have fined them a lot more.

Also congratulations to all the Essendon fans patting themselves on the back for exploiting the most vulnerable with pokies. Well done to you I guess?
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you surely do realise we had pokies last year? And the year before? And the year before that? So how does that fact explain a record profit that other clubs, who also have pokie revenue, can't achieve even in premiership years?

I'm fascinated to hear all about it
 
Lance Uppercut said:
again, I hate gambling but another thing I hate is people's expectations that certain organisations, like the AFL or the EFC, should be some kind of moral arbiter in society. Why is that? It's clear that if football clubs didn't have pokies the licences would be held by some other company or industry. That's not to say they shouldn't divest of them but the "reliance" of the business model that you talk about is the same kind of "reliance" that sees the AFL allow wall to wall betting at grounds and about their product.

Lessening the reliance on pokie revenue needs to be an industry wide push if it happens. Then other companies can swoop in, buy the venue, and instead of going to NFP organisations like clubs it can go into the hands of various shareholders. Result eh
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Brothels? Pawn shops next to the Casino?
 
Lance Uppercut said:
again, I hate gambling but another thing I hate is people's expectations that certain organisations, like the AFL or the EFC, should be some kind of moral arbiter in society. Why is that? It's clear that if football clubs didn't have pokies the licences would be held by some other company or industry. That's not to say they shouldn't divest of them but the "reliance" of the business model that you talk about is the same kind of "reliance" that sees the AFL allow wall to wall betting at grounds and about their product.

Lessening the reliance on pokie revenue needs to be an industry wide push if it happens. Then other companies can swoop in, buy the venue, and instead of going to NFP organisations like clubs it can go into the hands of various shareholders. Result eh
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Actually not true, in Victoria there is a clubs allocation and there is a hotels allocation. Any clubs allocations could only be sold to other clubs
 
Beerfish said:
Not after what we've been through. It's a great story. To focus on the pokies revenue aspect, something the club has already publicly committed to addressing in the future, is telling.

Thanks also for avoiding the question. Also telling.
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What is telling is that you are running at a loss save for profiting of the misery of others. That is never a great story.
 
OzJohnnie said:
I was thinking of "cheating like a boss." But I can understand how that's slipped the minds of Essendon supporters. Post-traumatic memory loss and all that.
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ApplecrossWC said:
Lol give us a spell. You are living in a dream world. Justify it any way you can, whatever helps you sleep at night :thumbsu:
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I don't like pokies at all, and find them mind numbing and pointless, and anyone should realize that the house always wins. Having said that I have worked in pubs with pokies and prior to working there would have been with the majority thinking it was a dark cash sucking dungeon where everyone is scraping the bottom of their purse looking for the last of their grocery money to throw into the machine. I was glad to find that while yes, there certainly are problem gamblers, the vast majority of patrons treat the pokies as their own form of entertainment. Most have set amounts that they stick to and have many social interactions with other regulars, breaking for dinner and chats and generally having a great night out.
Am I trying to paint them with a golden brush and sweep over the negative impact of pokies - no. Are they a form of entertainment that I would ever pursue - hell no. I am just trying to add something as it seems the only voices that are ever heard are those out crying the damnation of pokies as all that is wrong with the world.
And before those up on their perches start going on about helping those who cant help themselves, I'm sure given the obesity epidemic facing the country that you'll be picketing Arden St until your club severs their relationship with McDonalds.
 

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