Free Agent # 6: Joe Daniher (part 1)

[Unfazed]

Quality key forwards at that. We're nowhere near contesting if we think Stringer is okay as our number one forward with Brown and McKernan. We should be looking at a key forward who will bring quality to the position, whether or not Joe is staying.

Problem is there are no good key forwards available. Our only choices are to take one in the draft and hopefully they develop but that puts our window back a few years or get 2 firsts for joe and try to prise Cameron or similar, which is unlikely.

 

[boncer34]

Hogan's great first year skews his stats. Hogan hasn't had a season like Daniher in 2017.
He had a great first year and plateaued since.

Daniher's ceiling is higher than Hogan's.

Say what?

His 2018 was his best season.

Joe hit his "peak" in his fifth year. Hogan's fifth year was this year and he went off the rails.

But Freo traded for him knowing he'd kicked 150 odd goals in his first 4 years (Joe kicked 108). They'd have anticipated he'd have improved on that.

Hogan at his very best kicked 7 goals in a losing side. Joe has never kicked 7 goals.

I'm aware arguing Hogan v Daniher is going to get me no support but they aren't the world's apart people like to think.

 

[ghostdog]

Problem is there are no good key forwards available. Our only choices are to take one in the draft and hopefully they develop but that puts our window back a few years or get 2 firsts for joe and try to prise Cameron or similar, which is unlikely.

...and we have no currency. We're flummoxed on the issue of a quality key forward unless we trade out a quality player. GC still seems like the most likely to be able to prise one loose. They recently re-signed Day and Wright, and King continues to baulk. He's fronting for a reason. Sorry to bring this chestnut up again, but it could be time to accelerate Zerk and persuade Hurls to pursue other options. They'd love him up there. Incidentally, if we can land Howard for a second rounder (I don't know what he's worth) then that mitigates trading Hurley out. As I've said before, if Daniher then does get fit we're in the awesome position of a forwardline with Daniher, King and Stringer.

 

[JayJ20]

Say what?

His 2018 was his best season.

Joe hit his "peak" in his fifth year. Hogan's fifth year was this year and he went off the rails.

But Freo traded for him knowing he'd kicked 150 odd goals in his first 4 years (Joe kicked 108). They'd have anticipated he'd have improved on that.

Hogan at his very best kicked 7 goals in a losing side. Joe has never kicked 7 goals.

I'm aware arguing Hogan v Daniher is going to get me no support but they aren't the world's apart people like to think.

I'm not saying the gap is big, but IMO Daniher was always more talented. His areas of strength translates better in the modern game. Hogan is a traditional power forward in the Hawkins mould which isn't bad, but Daniher's field kicking and impact on the game is more pronounced. He can change the game up the field like he can inside 50. He's more athletic than Hogan is.

Hogan is the better kick for goal, but Daniher is a true game changer. The gap isn't huge of course and you do bring some valid points, but that's my reasoning behind putting Daniher ahead of Hogan.

 

[boncer34]

I'm not saying the gap is big, but IMO Daniher was always more talented. His areas of strength translates better in the modern game. Hogan is a traditional power forward in the Hawkins mould which isn't bad, but Daniher's field kicking and impact on the game is more pronounced. He can change the game up the field like he can inside 50. He's more athletic than Hogan is.

Hogan is the better kick for goal, but Daniher is a true game changer. The gap isn't huge of course and you do bring some valid points, but that's my reasoning behind putting Daniher ahead of Hogan.

All perfectly reasonable mate.

But I'd argue Hogan gets more of the ball than Joe because he pushes up the ground too. He cant go into the ruck like Joe but he certainly goes roaming at times.

 

[JayJ20]

All perfectly reasonable mate.

But I'd argue Hogan gets more of the ball than Joe because he pushes up the ground too. He cant go into the ruck like Joe but he certainly goes roaming at times.

He does of course.

It may seem a bit silly, but it's more so arguing Hogan vs Daniher the forward or Hogan vs Daniher the player. If we're arguing the first, then I can see why a better kick for goal and arguably a better contested mark will be seen as the better forward. After all, that's what forwards are there for.

But if we're arguing the second point, I think Daniher has Hogan covered.

 

[Kong]

Once upon a time it was common knowledge the world was flat. Sciences that learn by experimentation and research are far from exact sciences. The medical industry is one such scientific example that there is an awful lot we still don’t know.

Anyone here laughing at others or saying they have the answers either way are probably being a little naive IMO.

Don't be a stupid science bitch.

 

[DERO]

It is a shame as both hogan and Daniher looked liked stepping up to elite standards but have been hampered by serious injury. Fit and firing, they'd be one of the first picked in any side if you had them available. It is possible that neither of them reach their potential which will be sad but that is footy isn't it?

It is not the first time and it won't be the last that an highly-talented player does reach their potential because of injury. We've had more than our fair share recently such as Pears, Gumby, Rama, Winderlich etc. I'm not holding my breath on Joe because of the seriousness of his injury.

 

[Milanista28]

Elite KPF are the biggest and most important chess pieces when building a list to win the flag, pay overs or we keep him.

Only way we take unders if we think his injuries are too hard for us to fix.

 

[IHurley]

I


I think you may be a little misunderstood as to the general bemusement by others. Most (all?) of us understand that there may in fact be better ways to do things with regard to injury management and prevention than how our club has gone about it.
But, your 'answer' is a comment such as "pain is healing" and "inflammation is good" which aren't answers and don't make a lot of sense without a heap of additional content that's not being provided.

I apologise.

Obviously every opinion given on Bigfooty must be accompanied by a 50,000 word dissertation.

Although I suppose I could have just said "because the research!!!! says so".

Either my opinion makes sense or it doesn't. Either the traditional method makes sense or it doesn't.

As I keep saying though the traditional method runs up against: a) what we accept as true in other areas of medicine (ie that inflammation is critical to healing of tissue); and b) that *everybody* with chronic conditions deals with waves of pain/not pain.

Of course, regardless of whether my position makes sense or not, it could have easily been ignored. But it wasn't. It was actually deeply offensive and triggering to most of you. Of course it is. Practically every TV show, news item etc you've ever watched shows an unambiguously heroic portrayal of doctors. No TV show ever portrays the facts - that doctor mistakes are a massive cause of deaths, their beliefs are almost always wrong and these beliefs only ever change because brave people outside (or massively vilified by) the system force it to.

The path of least resistance is always to say "yeah but this time it's different" even though it almost never is. That's why we employ so much mental gymnastics to maintain this delusion.

And getting extremely angry at anybody who tells us "well actually it is the same" is a key part of this mental gymnastics. Hence the reactions here.

 

[IHurley]

Where are your offices, doctor?

So nobody is allowed an opinion on any issue unless they make money from peddling that precise opinion?

Congratulations! I think you've just found the world's weakest argument.

 

[IHurley]

Jaeger O'Meara has played 42 following the standard regime.

Alternatively, his body recovered just fine by itself regardless of - or even despite - his treatments.

Lots of people recover from injuries without intervention.

Most in fact.

 

[Doss]

Last time I checked this thread was about Joe Daniher, not wild out there theories about the evils of doctors. There are other boards where you can go for that, this has gone wildly off topic.

Thanks.

 

[yodellinhank]

Anyone think we've mismanaged Joe's injury?

 

[Vindicater]

You made a claim.

Someone said you are wrong.

Instead of arguing for your case you went off on an anti-medicine rant.

 

[Vindicater]

Anyone think we've mismanaged Joe's injury?

Yes.

 

[boncer34]

Alternatively, his body recovered just fine by itself regardless of - or even despite - his treatments.

Lots of people recover from injuries without intervention.

Most in fact.

Love it.

"Treatments made Joe worse."

"Treatments did nothing to O'Meara."

 

[I Remember Bluey]

I told you. Accept that pain is healing and don't fight it. It's also a signal that injury is likely if we continue to play through it.

So if Joe is in pain in the morning he should relax, meditate and play Xbox. If he's pain free in the afternoon he should go running.

And if he's in pain halfway through the the 2nd qr - see ya I'm going home to relax.

 

[boncer34]

JayJ20 let's starting talking about Hogan v Daniher again.

 

[Unfazed]

I think I get it now. Joe's leaving because we treated his OP. Sydney have promised to buy him an X Box and keep him away from their doctors.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Tom Browne reporting that Joe Daniher has found a special crystal that has magical healing powers. He’s been sprinkling crystal dust down his jocks and all pain has gone. Daniher said he found the magic crystal after following a unicorn into the woods.

More tonight on 7News!

 

[Bjchan13]

Pick 8 and a second round just isnt going to cut it. Especially if a player like Papley is regarded as pick 8 quality. 4and 8 might be overs but hopefully that's all we'll accept. I would be gutted by anything less.

Pick 4 and 8 is still unders. Heeney, Parker or Blakey would need to be in any conversation about Joe.

 

[Unfazed]

Pick 4 and 8 is still unders. Heeney, Parker or Blakey would need to be in any conversation about Joe.

Parker or Blakey would be awesome gets but no way Sydney would even look at it.

 

[Bjchan13]

Parker or Blakey would be awesome gets but no way Sydney would even look at it.

And Joe would be an awesome get for them. So we shouldnt look at it.

 

[Albertross]

Anyone think we've mismanaged Joe's injury?

When, if at all, did the mismanagement of the injury start though? Didn't Joe keep the true extent of his injury from the club medicos when it first flared up? (Believe that's what was reported on here, so it must be true) if that is the case, then Joe needs to accept his fair share of responsibility here.

Didn't he rest and have rehab in the first 12 months off? I believe this is the prescribed treatment for this injury. Now he has had surgery to correct it.

I highly doubt the club played him earlier this year if Joe said he wasn't right to go or tick all the boxes. So, unless I have things wrong, if we followed the usual treatment method, didnt rush his workload or his return to playing, how have we mismanaged him?