Conspiracy Theory 9/11 - Part 3

[Zidane98]

Interesting looking at this again. Not one person runs towards the building, which you'd expect if there was a plane full of people that just crashed there. The video lasts long enough for a car to drive up and stop but no one goes towards the building. Not one bit of fuselage, wing, tail, metal, seat, person is seen after the explosion. If there was debris on the lawn after looking at this cctv, it wasn't from this explosion.

Looking at a Boeing 757 the jet engines are well below the fuselage and along with all the other difficulties of a novice pilot being able to execute a 27corkscrew turn at zero altitude and impossible speed which has never been achieved before the engines would have hit the ground and flipped the plane well before it supposedly hitting the pentagon, IMO.

That being said, I don't think that whatever is in the cctv footage is real and probably photo shopped. I don't think it was a missile either. I think the most likely explanation is an explosion.

In saying that, I do realise they had DNA of every single person (except the hijackers who weren't on the flight list), on AA 77.
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Highlighted claim is simply not factually true at all. The turn wasn't done at zero altitude or at an unrealistic speed / descent rate. As shown below:

27corkscrew turn at zero altitude


Also, here is the NTSB video of the blackbox data:

9/11 Pentagon Attack Flight 77 Black Box Reconstruction - YouTube

The aircraft exited the turn at 290kts. The hijackers then selected full thrust and pushed the nose down. Final speed before impact recorded was 462 knots - a speed too fast to capture the entire event on a 2001 era 30 fps video camera and certainly too fast to see individual objects like people or pieces of debris.

Hundreds of witnesses gave testimony to seeing a passenger airliner impact the Pentagon. Debris from the aircraft was recovered at the Pentagon (photographs are available). It is a fact that the blackbox from the aircraft that operated AA77 was recovered from the crash site. It is also a fact that DNA from the victims was recovered from the crash site and matched to family members.


No rational person can possibly still claim that anything other than AA77 was the object that struct the Pentagon on Sept 11 2001.



I suspect you aren't rational or objective when it comes to 9/11 though. You'll double down on your claims despite you having no theory to back them up.

 

[Lebbo73]

Highlighted claim is simply not factually true at all. The turn wasn't done at zero altitude or at an unrealistic speed / descent rate. As shown below:

27corkscrew turn at zero altitude


Also, here is the NTSB video of the blackbox data:

9/11 Pentagon Attack Flight 77 Black Box Reconstruction - YouTube

The aircraft exited the turn at 290kts. The hijackers then selected full thrust and pushed the nose down. Final speed before impact recorded was 462 knots - a speed too fast to capture the entire event on a 2001 era 30 fps video camera and certainly too fast to see individual objects like people or pieces of debris.

Hundreds of witnesses gave testimony to seeing a passenger airliner impact the Pentagon. Debris from the aircraft was recovered at the Pentagon (photographs are available). It is a fact that the blackbox from the aircraft that operated AA77 was recovered from the crash site. It is also a fact that DNA from the victims was recovered from the crash site and matched to family members.


No rational person can possibly still claim that anything other than AA77 was the object that struct the Pentagon on Sept 11 2001.



I suspect you aren't rational or objective when it comes to 9/11 though. You'll double down on your claims despite you having no theory to back them up.

The only reason you’ve posted on here is because your whole world view is about to come crashing down. Don’t stress too much because when it does I’ll refrain (God knows why) from rubbing it in your face. You won’t believe it anyway when it happens.

 

[Zidane98]

The only reason you’ve posted on here is because your whole world view is about to come crashing down. Don’t stress too much because when it does I’ll refrain (God knows why) from rubbing it in your face. You won’t believe it anyway when it happens.

Nah, I posted because I was bored at work. I dont have a view on anything, I just go off factual information. Facts arent too highly rated by ridiculous conspiracy believers. I await you quoting zero hedge / RT / globalresearch / Alex Jones with your supposed "news".

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Nah, I posted because I was bored at work. I dont have a view on anything, I just go off factual information. Facts arent too highly rated by ridiculous conspiracy believers. I await you quoting zero hedge / RT / globalresearch / Alex Jones with your supposed "news".

There is a new generation of people who consider their beliefs to be as tangible as facts and can't distinguish between facts and opinions.
"Sorry its a fact that the world is not flat"
"hey that's your opinion"

 

[JackOutback]

There is a new generation of people who consider their beliefs to be as tangible as facts and can't distinguish between facts and opinions.
"Sorry its a fact that the world is not flat"
"hey that's your opinion"

I just read an article about the latest conspiracy theory that Helen Keller didn’t exist or at least wasn’t deafblind. Despite, you know, facts and evidence.

 

[Total Power]

This thread is still going! If you have too much on your hands, go do some volunteering or something.

 

[BlueE]

No sign of any airplane hitting the Pentagon says the first reporter on the scene in CNN footage that aired only once after 9/11.

No airplane debris at all, which matches the cctv footage after the explosion, posted a bit earlier.

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[Zidane98]

No sign of any airplane hitting the Pentagon says the first reporter on the scene in CNN footage that aired only once after 9/11.

No airplane debris at all, which matches the cctv footage after the explosion, posted a bit earlier.

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Pretty much every high energy impact plane crash leaves that impression on those first on the scene. There often isnt anything left that resembles a plane at first glance after a high energy impact like AA77 hitting the Pentagon at 800kmh plus.

 

[BlueE]

Pretty much every high energy impact plane crash leaves that impression on those first on the scene. There often isnt anything left that resembles a plane at first glance after a high energy impact like AA77 hitting the Pentagon at 800kmh plus.

Wrong.

Military Affairs Correspondent, Jamie McIntyre: "I walked right next to the building, where firefighters were still trying to put out of the blaze, and took a look at the huge gaping hole, but from my close up inspection there is no evidence of a plane actually crashing anywhere near the Pentagon. The only site is the actual side of he building that's crashed in. The only pieces are what you can pick up in your hand. No large tail section, wing section, fuselage, nothing like that anywhere around..."

There was no evidence in the cctv of anything large lying on the ground outside after the explosion. Not one piece of airplane or body. Weirdly in some images later, there seemed to be one or two pieces that were filmed, that weren't there at the explosion.

In the low level, high impact Mt Erebus crash on a 20 degree slope, killing all 257 in Antarctica, many bodies were whole, debris were in huge recognisable sections. I knew one of the helicopter pilots who'd been stationed in Antarctica, who was first on scene and as you can see with any actual plane crash.

 

[Zidane98]

Wrong.

Military Affairs Correspondent, Jamie McIntyre: "I walked right next to the building, where firefighters were still trying to put out of the blaze, and took a look at the huge gaping hole, but from my close up inspection there is no evidence of a plane actually crashing anywhere near the Pentagon. The only site is the actual side of he building that's crashed in. The only pieces are what you can pick up in your hand. No large tail section, wing section, fuselage, nothing like that anywhere around..."

There was no evidence in the cctv of anything large lying on the ground outside after the explosion. Not one piece of airplane or body. Weirdly in some images later, there seemed to be one or two pieces that were filmed, that weren't there at the explosion.

In the low level, high impact Mt Erebus crash on a 20 degree slope, killing all 257 in Antarctica, many bodies were whole, debris were in huge recognisable sections. I knew one of the helicopter pilots who'd been stationed in Antarctica, who was first on scene and as you can see with any actual plane crash.

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Not even comparable. That ANZ crash impacted the upward rising slope at a low rate of descent (the pilots were trying to climb away after a GPWS warning). The impact forces were nothing like a 757/767 hitting a building at 800kmh plus with the nose pointed downwards.
Try comparing it to an actual high energy impact. Ethiopian 737 Max in Ethiopia recently. The Germanwings Airbus deliberately crashed by a suicidal pilot into the French alps. Neither plane left wreckage resembling a plane.

The worst part about your claim is that the very same news report says the only remains of the plane left were able to be picked up by hand. Such was the thoroughness of destruction. All the news anchor reported was that there was nothing left resembling a plane which is entirely consistent with the impact.

Quite why you believe bringing this debunked myth up 20 years after the event is anyones guess. Surely even the most ardent conspuracy nuts must realise that this avenue of thinking has been explored many times in the last 20 years.

No wonder 911 conspiracy believers are nearly extinct if this is the best they can conjure up all these years down the track.

 

[BustedWing]

No sign of any airplane hitting the Pentagon says the first reporter on the scene in CNN footage that aired only once after 9/11.

No airplane debris at all, which matches the cctv footage after the explosion, posted a bit earlier.

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[BlueE]

Not even comparable. That ANZ crash impacted the upward rising slope at a low rate of descent (the pilots were trying to climb away after a GPWS warning). The impact forces were nothing like a 757/767 hitting a building at 800kmh plus with the nose pointed downwards.
Try comparing it to an actual high energy impact. Ethiopian 737 Max in Ethiopia recently. The Germanwings Airbus deliberately crashed by a suicidal pilot into the French alps. Neither plane left wreckage resembling a plane.

The worst part about your claim is that the very same news report says the only remains of the plane left were able to be picked up by hand. Such was the thoroughness of destruction. All the news anchor reported was that there was nothing left resembling a plane which is entirely consistent with the impact.

Quite why you believe bringing this debunked myth up 20 years after the event is anyones guess. Surely even the most ardent conspuracy nuts must realise that this avenue of thinking has been explored many times in the last 20 years.

No wonder 911 conspiracy believers are nearly extinct if this is the best they can conjure up all these years down the track.

More comparable than you think.

Mt Erebus impact surface was pretty flat, only 20 degrees. They descended from 10,000 ft at cruising speed to hit at 1300 ft. There was only a 6 second warning and had only just ordered a power up.

There were large recognizable plane pieces and all bodies were recovered.

The reporter who was on scene while the fire engines were still putting out fire at the Pentagon, went right up to the hole said no plane hit the building, that there was no evidence of anything resembling tails, wings, or fuselage or any bodies. Anything picked up in his hand was debris from the explosion in the building.

The cctv that showed the explosion and no plane hitting, and no debris of any note outside the building. You believe that a Boeing 757 can make a controlled corkscrew decent of 270 degrees, that's never been done before or since, hitting a building at sea level at 800 km/hr co-incidentally in the exact position all the military financial records were kept, in a neat circle with every piece of the plane and all bodies disappearing.

That's impossible. However, I agree the wreckage in Ethiopia was different and more like the 9/11 flight that went down in PA.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

More comparable than you think.

Mt Erebus impact surface was pretty flat, only 20 degrees. They descended from 10,000 ft at cruising speed to hit at 1300 ft. There was only a 6 second warning and had only just ordered a power up.

There were large recognizable plane pieces and all bodies were recovered.

The reporter who was on scene while the fire engines were still putting out fire at the Pentagon, went right up to the hole said no plane hit the building, that there was no evidence of anything resembling tails, wings, or fuselage or any bodies. Anything picked up in his hand was debris from the explosion in the building.

The cctv that showed the explosion and no plane hitting, and no debris of any note outside the building. You believe that a Boeing 757 can make a controlled corkscrew decent of 270 degrees, that's never been done before or since, hitting a building at sea level at 800 km/hr co-incidentally in the exact position all the military financial records were kept, in a neat circle with every piece of the plane and all bodies disappearing.

That's impossible. However, I agree the wreckage in Ethiopia was different and more like the 9/11 flight that went down in PA.

I believe that wherever it hit on the Pentagon, something would have been in that section of the building.
( were there any disused sections of the pentagon )?
Theorists would have then said it was exactly what they were aiming for.

My own opinion is that they very nearly missed the Pentagon entierly.

If you drive very badly and out of control, it is likely going to be difficult to emulate you.

 

[Zidane98]

[/QUOTE]
More comparable than you think.

Mt Erebus impact surface was pretty flat, only 20 degrees. They descended from 10,000 ft at cruising speed to hit at 1300 ft. There was only a 6 second warning and had only just ordered a power up.[/QUOTE]


It's not even close. The Mt Erebus crash happened when the pilots were misled by their navigation system into flying towards Mt Erebus. They had commenced a pullup manouver after receiving a terrain impact warning. When the impact occurred their rate of descent had reduced significantly and the impact was onto a soft snow covered mountain.


AA77 was crashed into a concrete building with a suicidal pilot pointing its nose down at 800km/h plus. Impact forces between the 2 are simply not comparable at all and to suggest a comparison is simply idiotic.

The reporter who was on scene while the fire engines were still putting out fire at the Pentagon, went right up to the hole said no plane hit the building, that there was no evidence of anything resembling tails, wings, or fuselage or any bodies. Anything picked up in his hand was debris from the explosion in the building.

The reporter on the scene said there was no sign of a plane. Not that there was no plane. That's not surprising considering a jetliner flew into a concrete structure at 800km/h pointed nose down by a suicidal terrorist.

[/QUOTE]The cctv that showed the explosion and no plane hitting, and no debris of any note outside the building[/QUOTE]

This must have been debunked a million times. The very best security cameras of that era had frame rates of 30fps. With a narrow range of view (the cameras were intended to monitor vehicles arriving at the pentagon) it was impossible for them to capture the entire event on film. In any case the film did actually capture the nose of the plane in the final frame before impact. There's no conspiracy here, 30 fps security cameras simply cannot record an object travelling at 800km/h in its entirety. If you are a reasonable person this should put this line of reasoning to bed for you,

You believe that a Boeing 757 can make a controlled corkscrew decent of 270 degrees, that's never been done before or since, hitting a building at sea level at 800 km/hr co-incidentally in the exact position all the military financial records were kept, in a neat circle with every piece of the plane and all bodies disappearing.

That's impossible. However, I agree the wreckage in Ethiopia was different and more like the 9/11 flight that went down in PA.

Nonsense. Wreckage was recovered from the aircraft

Aerospaceweb.org | Ask Us - Pentagon & Boeing 757 Wheel Investigation

That's conclusive and there is also plenty of other photos & documentation of wreckage.

The Blackbox was also recovered. The flight path was certainly easy to recreate by anyone intent on crashing the aircraft. The blackbox data has been published.



The section where the plane impacted was in the process of being renovated. It was not fully occupied at the time AA77 impacted it and this is part of the reason casualties inside the Pentagon were minimised.


I can tell you are the sort of person who will probably disregard logical explanations for these things so feel free to digest this information how you feel.

 

[BustedWing]

There's even more pics out there than that. even ones of bodies if you're into that sort of horrible thing. Links to such things have been posted in here.

The "no plane" hit the pentagon is straight up loony tunes.

 

[Zidane98]

There's even more pics out there than that. even ones of bodies if you're into that sort of horrible thing. Links to such things have been posted in here.

The "no plane" hit the pentagon is straight up loony tunes.

It is amazing that some posters continue to cite debunked claims nearly 20 years down the track from the event.

 

[BustedWing]

It is amazing that some posters continue to cite debunked claims nearly 20 years down the track from the event.

They dont want to listen. We're telling them Santa isnt real, and they would rather live in a world where the presents magically turn up under the tree each year.

They choose their own reality. They prefer that one.

 

[faible]

They dont want to listen. We're telling them Santa isnt real, and they would rather live in a world where the presents magically turn up under the tree each year.

They choose their own reality. They prefer that one.

tbh I prefer the Santa one too, who doesn't like magical presents turning up?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

This is around the speed that we are talking about into the Pentagon.

 

[Lebbo73]

It is amazing that some posters continue to cite debunked claims nearly 20 years down the track from the event.

If it has been debunked so many times why does a known Shill reappear after 3 and a half months without posting?

 

[Zidane98]

If it has been debunked so many times why does a known Shill reappear after 3 and a half months without posting?

I'm bored at work and need some amusement.

 

[Lebbo73]

I'm bored at work and need some amusement.

I was referring to Busted

 

[faible]

If it has been debunked so many times why does a known Shill reappear after 3 and a half months without posting?

That election been overturned yet?

 

[BustedWing]

tbh I prefer the Santa one too, who doesn't like magical presents turning up?

Don’t blame you- Santa is awesome!


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[BustedWing]

I was referring to Busted

The cheque cleared at long last. What’s your excuse?


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