I don't think my inputs been too outlandish, if I'm out of touch then so be itCan you show me on the doll where the woke hurt your feelings?
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I don't think my inputs been too outlandish, if I'm out of touch then so be itCan you show me on the doll where the woke hurt your feelings?
But a) that's very different from talking about International Men's Day, and b) it's also not true given I just tested it out.On this very page I said I never have and never will go on there. Noone else has had an issue with me having my two cents worth despite this qualification which I gave.
There aren't many other platforms, go on any one of them right now and say im proud to be a real actual man and you wont even make it past the bot keeper
The nation and the world seem to be heading in a different direction to yourself. Nothing is guaranteed, but the trends are towards progressivism. You don't have to get on board the train, but don't be surprised to one day find most of society has boarded it.I don't think my inputs been too outlandish, if I'm out of touch then so be it
Progressivism is a trend like any other and has a level of social inertia ... at one point people would have have been able to say the same thing about Prohibition which became the law of the land and was eventually repealed. When times are good and threats are seen as far away or non-existant people tend towards tolereance of both the folks external as well as the more unproductive members of socitey ... when times are bad, resources are limited and local/personal survival is as stake then the trends tend to move the other way.The nation and the world seem to be heading in a different direction to yourself. Nothing is guaranteed, but the trends are towards progressivism. You don't have to get on board the train, but don't be surprised to one day find most of society has boarded it.
Genuine question, who are the crazy lefties?Social media is the online version of scribbling on the back of a public toilet door. Twitter is the prime example.
Absolutely hilarious to see the crazy lefties getting all upset at Elon that the crazy right stuff no longer gets deleted.
Was so much better when just crazy leftie stuff was allowed wasn't it? Democracy dies in the darkness after all..
I've made clear enough comments, not trying to win any prizes here.But a) that's very different from talking about International Men's Day, and b) it's also not true given I just tested it out.
The Amish have a social conscience and a sense of community ... as do the Mormons, as did the Puritans, the Apaches, the Inquisitors, the BLM folks ... 'woke' is more applied to a particular brand of social identification and their belief that they are the only ones in the camp of the righteous so to speak.People trying to use “Woke” as an insult, when all it means is having a social conscience and sense of community.
I'm not sure I agree with this. Politics (in the West, anyway) doesn't necessarily move to the right every time there's a recession. Also, inequality can play a very big role too. When the average person isn't doing well, sometimes that's because the wealthiest are doing well at their expense. Those are often the conditions that lead to left-wing revolutions, most obviously the French and Russian Revolutions.Progressivism is a trend like any other and has a level of social inertia ... at one point people would have have been able to say the same thing about Prohibition which became the law of the land and was eventually repealed. When times are good and threats are seen as far away or non-existant people tend towards tolereance of both the folks external as well as the more unproductive members of socitey ... when times are bad, resources are limited and local/personal survival is as stake then the trends tend to move the other way.
I'll believe the moderate Liberal resurgence narrative when I see them become party leadersI definitely struggle to write off an entire side of politics now or any point in the future. At most it means it will recalibrate with more moderate rather than populist leaders and the cycle will start anew.
Let's be realistic - "woke", like "SJW" before it, "liberal" before that, "socialist" before that, and so on, is used purely to set up an easy us vs them narrative. It's a meaningless word adopted as a low stakes dog whistle. There is no accurate definition to it because it means whomever the user wants to portray against an "other" to their like-minded fellows and I laugh at both those who use it in earnest and those who get distressed about its usage applied to them.The Amish have a social conscience and a sense of community ... as do the Mormons, as did the Puritans, the Apaches, the Inquisitors, the BLM folks ... 'woke' is more applied to a particular brand of social identification and their belief that they are the only ones in the camp of the righteous so to speak.
Progressive atm is associated with left but there have been progressives in the past who equally believed that they were on the cutting edge of history and their vision of social uptopia was the only way to go and never expected it to not last etc who were more on the right side (no one would consider Victorian England to be lefties!).I'm not sure I agree with this. Politics (in the West, anyway) doesn't necessarily move to the right every time there's a recession. Also, inequality can play a very big role too. When the average person isn't doing well, sometimes that's because the wealthiest are doing well at their expense. Those are often the conditions that lead to left-wing revolutions, most obviously the French and Russian Revolutions.
Are times good now? And does climate change constitute one of the threats you mentioned? I'd say if we don't start treating it as one, resources will be much more limited in future. And recognising this and taking preventative action has for some reason become associated with progressive politics but not conservative politics.
How many woke people have you personally met and spoken with? Have they expressed to you the belief they are the only ones in the camp of the righteous? When I've spoken to people who you'd describe that way, they'd often be the first to say they're not perfect and are making mistakes and learning from them as they go. You don't need to be morally perfect to call out injustice or potentially upsetting behaviour or words when you see it, you just need to understand if there's an issue with it, and not find that issue acceptable.The Amish have a social conscience and a sense of community ... as do the Mormons, as did the Puritans, the Apaches, the Inquisitors, the BLM folks ... 'woke' is more applied to a particular brand of social identification and their belief that they are the only ones in the camp of the righteous so to speak.
How are you defining progressive in this case?Progressive atm is associated with left but there have been progressives in the past who equally believed that they were on the cutting edge of history and their vision of social uptopia was the only way to go and never expected it to not last etc who were more on the right side (no one would consider Victorian England to be lefties!).
I'm not interested in opinions, I'm interested in facts. The evidence suggesting climate change is a clear and present danger to humanity is overwhelming.Re your climate change question some consider it to be an immanent threat that will destroy us all within x years (for whom it is considered a threat requiring immediate and surgical action) and others who consider climate change to be primarily a function of the sun and volcanos both out of our powers and they might consider climate change per se to be no threat but climate change activists to be one. There are also folks who think that climate change is a furphy but do consider resource depletion and over population to be imanent threats.
Okay. Do you believe we're currently in good times or bad times? Are the benefits of the economy accruing mostly to the average people or to the elites? Who is bearing the burdens of the economy?Inequlaity is totally part of the threat matrix. A ruling class for whom all is peachy over a more slavey class who are struggling and see no hope will react very differently and preceive different threats. Part of the standard lifecycle of an empire is that in the early days everyone inside benefits from the expanding empire (not so much the areas being expanded into!) and that just before the empire falls the benefits of empire are seen to acrue to the elites and the burdens of them to the lowers classes (the process hasn't changed it is just that early on the system is eating external folks and late the voracious maw is turned on the internal ones).
So, the Born Again Christians???The Amish have a social conscience and a sense of community ... as do the Mormons, as did the Puritans, the Apaches, the Inquisitors, the BLM folks ... 'woke' is more applied to a particular brand of social identification and their belief that they are the only ones in the camp of the righteous so to speak.
grin - that reminds me of when opinions on racism are bolstered by 'I know lots of [insert relevant race here] people and ... and see final comment below.How many woke people have you personally met and spoken with? Have they expressed to you the belief they are the only ones in the camp of the righteous? When I've spoken to people who you'd describe that way, they'd often be the first to say they're not perfect and are making mistakes and learning from them as they go. You don't need to be morally perfect to call out injustice or potentially upsetting behaviour or words when you see it, you just need to understand if there's an issue with it, and not find that issue acceptable.
Progressive as in people who believe that the path that they are on is progressing from the previous further to a future closer to a desired state that they believe to be better for not just themselves but most everybodyHow are you defining progressive in this case?
Like I said progressives can be in either direction.I'd say there were a lot of social reformers in Victorian England, like abolitionists, anti-colonialists and suffragettes, who were derided by other people of their time as being revolutionary and wishing to destroy the fabric of society. Whether they were leftist depends on how you define leftist.
That the evidence is as clear to you as to allow no other opinion takes us out of the realm of evidence - science thrives on scepticism and questioning, legal procudures of arguement and counter-arguement ... to declare that this is the Truth leads into the realms of dogma. (see below comment re live and let live)I'm not interested in opinions, I'm interested in facts. The evidence suggesting climate change is a clear and present danger to humanity is overwhelming.
My personal belief is not relevent to the discussion but if you care on a level of personal interest I reckon we are on the tail end of a civ cycle and any alien student of exo-antropology watching would be getting out the popcorn. <-- again this is illustrative btwOkay. Do you believe we're currently in good times or bad times? Are the benefits of the economy accruing mostly to the average people or to the elites? Who is bearing the burdens of the economy?
grin so my poetic 'in the camp of the righteous' got taken literally - the concept was supposed to be along the lines of live and let live is not being a huge feature of the woke wordview. Intolerance comes in many guises whether they burn people, burn books, tear down statues, get people fired or throw racial epitets ... as soon as those who disagree with me become the enemy to be destroyed it makes it hard to share a society.So, the Born Again Christians???
No, I was having fun.grin - that reminds me of when opinions on racism are bolstered by 'I know lots of [insert relevant race here] people and ... and see final comment below.
Progressive as in people who believe that the path that they are on is progressing from the previous further to a future closer to a desired state that they believe to be better for not just themselves but most everybody
Like I said progressives can be in either direction.
That the evidence is as clear to you as to allow no other opinion takes us out of the realm of evidence - science thrives on scepticism and questioning, legal procudures of arguement and counter-arguement ... to declare that this is the Truth leads into the realms of dogma. (see below comment re live and let live)
My personal belief is not relevent to the discussion but if you care on a level of personal interest I reckon we are on the tail end of a civ cycle and any alien student of exo-antropology watching would be getting out the popcorn. <-- again this is illustrative btw
grin so my poetic 'in the camp of the righteous' got taken literally - the concept was supposed to be along the lines of live and let live is not being a huge feature of the woke wordview. Intolerance comes in many guises whether they burn people, burn books, tear down statues, get people fired or throw racial epitets ... as soon as those who disagree with me become the enemy to be destroyed it makes it hard to share a society.
It's not been uncommon for me to step up to the ballot box and I'm not overly impressed with the choices I've got in front of me.