A thread on politics- have some balls and post

[Dalions]

Biologically, yes. In mind and soul? That's another argument altogether.

We are not talking about taking away someone’s feelings as a human being. Everyone is entitled to their own feelings.

But we are talking about the rights of Women in Sport and the prospect of that being ripped away from them.

2 completely different issues.

 

[Dalions]

Maybe, maybe not, but it's for them to decide, not for the rest of us to tell them what they should want.

It’s s for them to decide?
What? To take away the right of others?

 

[Jivlain]

We are not talking about taking away someone’s feelings as a human being. Everyone is entitled to their own feelings.

But we are talking about the rights of Women in Sport and the prospect of that being ripped away from them.

2 completely different issues.

It seems relevant to point out that this discussion was about excluding a cis woman from "woman's sports".

The idea that if you're not coquette-core, even as a cis woman, your womanhood should perpetually be subject to challenge

(she, also, is cis)

Michael Phelps is, in many ways, a genetically-advantaged freak, but that's fine. To compete as a woman - to be a woman - even a cis woman - you must conform into a tiny box.

How very appropriate that Gaines et al kicked this off by claiming that the opening ceremony was satanic. This new satanic panic is wilder than the last one. And looks likely to claim many more innocent victims.

 

[M Malice]

We are talking about sports, not how society treats them. Should someone be able to live their life how they wish, as long as they are not hurting anyone else? Yes. But we are talking about an unfair playing field with positions etc potentially taken away from women. If we allow transwomen in womens sports then we might as well get rid of female sports all together and have one division for everything.

Fantastic concise post, sport is a different thing altogether, particularly professional sport to a workplace or society in general... men enjoy significant inherent physical superiority to women which is why you see very few women brick layers/SAS soldiers/concreters etc. and it stands out like dogs testicles in sport.

Get rid of female sport altogether and there would be virtually no "women" in professional sport, as an example the GOAT female tennis player Sarina Williams even in her prime would not be in the top 500 male players on the planet.

 

[Mr Ripper]

Been a gold standard week for RWNJs jumping to incorrect conclusions.

Blasphemous satanic opening ceremony

Illegal Muslim immigrant Southport knife attacker

Trans boxers

The imaginary boogeyman bingo card just about filled.

 

[martinson]

Been a gold standard week for RWNJs jumping to incorrect conclusions.

Blasphemous satanic opening ceremony

Illegal Muslim immigrant Southport knife attacker

Trans boxers

The imaginary boogeyman bingo card just about filled.

You guys see a RWNJ in every issue.

It's a Gold Standard week For LWNJ'S every week of the year.

Except they can never see it.

 

[M Malice]

You guys see a RWNJ in every issue.

It's a Gold Standard week For LWNJ'S every week of the year.

Except they can never see it.

LWNJ are all condescending false virtue signallers.

 

[Mr Ripper]

 

[M Malice]

 

[martinson]

Some of the issues they jump up and down about day after day I just shakes me head.

Things can't be too bad in the world with not much carry on about real problems.

 

[Jivlain]

"Ah, well, nevertheless"

 

[Hollow Knight]

Some of the issues they jump up and down about day after day I just shakes me head.

Things can't be too bad in the world with not much carry on about real problems.

Yeah, we need to stop banging on about petty self-indulgent issues like systemic racism, the rise of anti-Democratic authoritarianism and growing wealth inequality and instead focus on the big issues like obsessing over the genitals of complete strangers and brands of cheese changing their names.

 

[martinson]

Yeah, we need to stop banging on about petty self-indulgent issues like systemic racism, the rise of anti-Democratic authoritarianism and growing wealth inequality and instead focus on the big issues like obsessing over the genitals of complete strangers and brands of cheese changing their names.

The world per se has never been better off on a per capita basis despite growing complexities and its sheer size , increased access to information across the globe is ballooning , the struggle for resources has brought geopolitical tensions to a head but we will find a way through.

As for systemic racism , the rise of anti Democratic authoritarianism ,whatever that is, and growing wealth inequality by which I think you mean really rich people are getting richer which they always have, but the bar for those below ,world wide ,has actually risen ,as it should , I don't think I was referring to any of those issues.

Genitals of strangers is a new one on me . Sounds interesting. Brands of cheese changing their name ?? You got me there as well. Is it a joke I'm not in on ?

 

[martinson]

To give this thread some context there seems to be an assumption that anyone who has views that don't prescribe in totality ,or at all on some issues , to what the acceptable mindset is on either side of politics , but particularly to those right of centre , that they are therefore wedded to all manner of crackpot ideas put out there by nutjobs on SM.

Once again the fantasy world of SM where you're either all in or all out .

I have the benefit of being a disciple of both sides of politics during my uneventful life. I was at my nuttiest and angriest when I was far left. And definitely my most invested and passionate phase. Now ,being sceptically conservative and mostly disengaged, I don't believe either side is better or worse than the other. As for public political figures there are people I really respected and despised on both sides in about equal measure. This has always been the way ,with the benefit of hindsight.

What's changed in this era is the deluge of misinformation disguised as fact with the capacity to instantly engage the masses who have access and a voice.

I don't really know how that ends but it seems to me people are more easily inflamed being fed what they want to hear.

 

[M Malice]

To give this thread some context there seems to be an assumption that anyone who has views that don't prescribe in totality ,or at all on some issues , to what the acceptable mindset is on either side of politics , but particularly to those right of centre , that they are therefore wedded to all manner of crackpot ideas put out there by nutjobs on SM.

Once again the fantasy world of SM where you're either all in or all out .

I have the benefit of being a disciple of both sides of politics during my uneventful life. I was at my nuttiest and angriest when I was far left. And definitely my most invested and passionate phase. Now ,being sceptically conservative and mostly disengaged, I don't believe either side is better or worse than the other. As for public political figures there are people I really respected and despised on both sides in about equal measure. This has always been the way ,with the benefit of hindsight.

What's changed in this era is the deluge of misinformation disguised as fact with the capacity to instantly engage the masses who have access and a voice.

I don't really know how that ends but it seems to me people are more easily inflamed being fed what they want to hear.

First paragraph is errorless and the bolded needs to be emphasised, it is 100% spot on.

Social media really is an abomination IMO.

Divide and conquer.

 

[M Malice]

Loved George Carlin's social commentary back in the day, a bit from a long time ago but still rings true to this day.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Oh boy would Carlin have some things to say about the current Democratic party, but even more about the Trump MAGA movement.

Ditto Christopher Hitchens and Hunter Thompson.

The way the media just lets politicians lie to their face unchecked today is horrendous.

 

[western royboy]

Loved George Carlin's social commentary back in the day, a bit from a long time ago but still rings true to this day.

I prefer his views on Religion

 

[martinson]

Oh boy would Carlin have some things to say about the current Democratic party, but even more about the Trump MAGA movement.

Ditto Christopher Hitchens and Hunter Thompson.

The way the media just lets politicians lie to their face unchecked today is horrendous.

Not just allow the lie but actively promulgate it.

If you're unfortunate enough to see what's going on on twitter it's just either side banging on about their own BS and lies and screaming blue murder about their opponent's.

It seems there is no middle ground any more. A worldwide trend.

 

[martinson]

I'm a bit disturbed by what's going on in the UK.

What's more disturbing is that it's impossible to ascertain who's doing what to whom from all of the media reports because whoever you're tuned in to it's a one sided take.

 

[Viceregal]

Not just allow the lie but actively promulgate it.

If you're unfortunate enough to see what's going on on twitter it's just either side banging on about their own BS and lies and screaming blue murder about their opponent's.

It seems there is no middle ground any more. A worldwide trend.

It is not so much that there is no middle ground but that those who are most active/visible seem to be convinced that their position is the normal/sane/obvious one.

The person on the left (and at this stage in our society arc usually the moderate types have been sidelined and the activist types are running the show) sees themselves as normal and everyone to the right of them as far right.

The person on the right (see above re moderates et al) see themselves as normal and everyone to the left of them as far left.

Both sides see anyone who would have once been considered centre, centre left, centre right, moderate, non-aligned etc etc as part of the opposition and since both sides are largely just different shades of the same wider world view (a more soclialistic form of capitalism does not a socialist make) and fighting over an ever shrinking pie jusst makes the shreiking and blame casting louder.

 

[western royboy]

I'm a bit disturbed by what's going on in the UK.

What's more disturbing is that it's impossible to ascertain who's doing what to whom from all of the media reports because whoever you're tuned in to it's a one sided take.

I’ve a son on the ground over there - his view was nazi’s (his words not mine) tried to start riot’s against immigration and ended up getting owned by the wider population. The main agitators all ran for cover

 

[martinson]

I’ve a son on the ground over there - his view was nazi’s (his words not mine) tried to start riot’s against immigration and ended up getting owned by the wider population. The main agitators all ran for cover

Maybe so.

Nonetheless the UK and the major European powers are drowning in debt and the civil unrest is part of a broader issue ripe for political upheaval.

The geopolitical landscape of Europe (include Britain) has escalated for the worse over the last 10 years or so. With the backdrop of the Gaza conflict dominating countries who aren't directly affected.

The golden post war /cold war years that resulted in general prosperity across most of Europe were well and truly gone post the GFC and we've entered an era of general discontent.

In historic terms I suppose we were due.

 

[briztoon]

Maybe so.

Definitely so.

I'm on a north east footy forum, that I've been a member of for 30 years. Pretty much how the locals have reported things from the get go.

Nonetheless the UK and the major European powers are drowning in debt and the civil unrest is part of a broader issue ripe for political upheaval.

The geopolitical landscape of Europe (include Britain) has escalated for the worse over the last 10 years or so. With the backdrop of the Gaza conflict dominating countries who aren't directly affected.

The golden post war /cold war years that resulted in general prosperity across most of Europe were well and truly gone post the GFC and we've entered an era of general discontent.

In historic terms I suppose we were due.

 

[M Malice]

I am a regular viewer of the Lex Fridman Podcast, one of the GOAT Podcasters IMO.. which is circa 90% on science based topics, low and behold I click on today and he has Donald Trump on as a guest, only an hour(a lot of his Podcasts go 3+ hours).

I haven't listened to it yet but Lex has a history of being noticeably apolitical, very measured and unless absolutely needed is non confrontational in style, looking forward to it. Hopefully Kamala Harris gets on there as well.