Sounds like a personality cult..! If Hird goes down will they break out the koolaid
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Sounds like a personality cult..! If Hird goes down will they break out the koolaid
Yeah, I agree if banned substances were used it was either a deliberate action which Hird was fully involved, or it was accidental and caused by poor governance. Either way Hird and others should go.
That's of course assuming guilt. So far I haven't seen nearly enough evidence to make that determination.
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That's about the first balanced response from an Essendon supporter throughout this whole saga. Well done on maintaining your sanity and judgement.
At the risk of going over old ground, could someone pls spell out for me what the rules are regarding IV use for substances that are not automatically banned irrespective of method of administering them. As I understand it -
ASADA - legal to use IV via drip only in quantities of 60mg or less and no more often than every 6hrs. Legal to use IV via injection at all times.
AFL drugs policy - no rules as such ??? Only possible threat of "bringing the game into disrepute" for use of something that "is not a good look"
Is this right?
ASADA - legal to use IV via drip only in quantities of 60mg or less and no more often than every 6hrs. Legal to use IV via injection at all times.
AFL drugs policy - no rules as such ??? Only possible threat of "bringing the game into disrepute" for use of something that "is not a good look"
Is this right?
Don't agree at all. If it was done without Hird's knowledge or consent, and despite the fact that he specifically put in place a process that forbade the use of banned substances, that is neither bad governance by Hird or anybody else, it is the responsibility of the person who failed to adhere to the process.
In every organisation, there is, and rightly so, an expectation that people will ethically perform their duties according to the rules and procedures that govern their job. If an employee fails to do so, he alone is responsible, not the people who made the rules he broke!!
If it was true that Reid was shut out and dank was left to his own devices then Hird, Reid and the rest should go. If Reid was involved and Dank went rogue then someone needs to pay the price for hiring someone who was a risk. It depends on who that was.
IV injections over 60ml banned.
IV infusion of any volume banned. An infusion being a bag of stuff like plasma or blood products you see in movies.
Support from fans seems to carry too much weight in this modern footy environment.
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Hopefully Hird can maintain your formline, because you do look the goods if they can sustain it.
I don't think that's the way it works in the corporate world.
If it did, then everybody who hired someone who gets sacked, would themsleves get sacked for making the mistake of hiring them. Would be never ending. The warehouse guys steals something. The warehouse manager gets sacked for hiring him. The office manager gets sacked for hiring the warehouse manager. The Branch manager gets sacked for hiring the office manager etc etc etc until everybody up to the very top is sacked.
The reality in this situation is that a coach would be unbelievably negligent to not have knowledge of the supplements program of an elite sporting group and in fact should be sacked on that alone (if it was true).... But.. Is it conceivable that 20-30+ players were on a supplement program and head of the coaching department failed to do due diligence to double check what was being administered? I mean Steven Dank didn't pay for the drugs out of his own pocket, the playing group didn't get together behind James Hird and the boards back and say "shh... don't tell Hirdy". None of that happened, it is virtually impossible that Hird did not know the full extent of the program.
When a player seen the club doctor, I guarantee that he would give back a report on the player you can guarantee that Hird and others got the same feedback on the supplements program (or as discussed they need to be fired themselves).
So the magical letters, if they existed... Then a few things would be true
1) The club would be saying... We need to keep a copy of this... Forward it to me (People are expected to believe a single copy existed just in the hands of one man? With no backup of the Essendon IT structure and mail servers, with no one asking for an archived copy??? Seriously...???
2) The club would own the domain and the mail would be their intellectual property. If the mail does indeed exist.. Dank would almost certainly not have permission to retain it and present separately as Essendon would own that mail.
3) In any job with confidentiality of utmost importance, Steve Dank would have had to sign a confidentiality clause as well as an IP clause... If that wasn't done... Then again the club hasn't done due diligence and someone's head should be rolling for that.
Essendon are smoke screening, I get how their supporters want to support their club (and good on them for that), I seriously don't get how they continue to support (in an arbitrary way.. ie Dank bad, Hird good) the people running that club for them. I fail to believe that these same people would think that Hird and Co should stay if they were able to view it in a non-tribal way.
When a player seen the club doctor, I guarantee that he would give back a report on the player you can guarantee that Hird and others got the same feedback on the supplements program (or as discussed they need to be fired themselves).
So the magical letters, if they existed... Then a few things would be true
1) The club would be saying... We need to keep a copy of this... Forward it to me (People are expected to believe a single copy existed just in the hands of one man? With no backup of the Essendon IT structure and mail servers, with no one asking for an archived copy??? Seriously...???
2) The club would own the domain and the mail would be their intellectual property. If the mail does indeed exist.. Dank would almost certainly not have permission to retain it and present separately as Essendon would own that mail.
3) In any job with confidentiality of utmost importance, Steve Dank would have had to sign a confidentiality clause as well as an IP clause... If that wasn't done... Then again the club hasn't done due diligence and someone's head should be rolling for that.
Essendon are smoke screening, I get how their supporters want to support their club (and good on them for that), I seriously don't get how they continue to support (in an arbitrary way.. ie Dank bad, Hird good) the people running that club for them. I fail to believe that these same people would think that Hird and Co should stay if they were able to view it in a non-tribal way.
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Did you watch the 7 30 report tonight?
They said, and Im sure this is old news, but they have ave prover 100 texts between Dank and Hird. They showed one that is clearly discussing banned substances besides AOD 9604, and naming Essendons star players.
They said, and Im sure this is old news, but they have ave prover 100 texts between Dank and Hird. They showed one that is clearly discussing banned substances besides AOD 9604, and naming Essendons star players.
I am not even convinced that they would. In a team or individual sport an individual is ultimately responsible for their supplements and ensuring what they take complies. Otherwise organisations would hire some lacky, pay them a lot of money so when busted the finger can point at them.
So yes the club can have doctors and everything else, but you need to check as an individual. If players haven't (and I feel for them if they haven't, they are responsible and will be individually banned).
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For clarification from page 6
The World Anti-Doping Code
THE 2013 PROHIBITED LIST
INTERNATIONAL STANDARD
PROHIBITED METHODS
M1. MANIPULATION OF BLOOD AND BLOOD COMPONENTS
The following are prohibited:
1. The administration or reintroduction of any quantity of autologous, homologous or heterologous blood or red blood cell products of any origin into the circulatory system.
2. Artificially enhancing the uptake, transport or delivery of oxygen, including, but not limited to, perfluorochemicals, efaproxiral (RSR13) and modified haemoglobin products (e.g. haemoglobin-based blood substitutes, microencapsulated haemoglobin products), excluding supplemental oxygen.
3. Any form of intravascular manipulation of the blood or blood components by physical or chemical means.
M2. CHEMICAL AND PHYSICAL MANIPULATION
The following are prohibited:
1. Tampering, or attempting to tamper, in order to alter the integrity and validity of Samples collected during Doping Control. These include but are not limited to urine substitution and/or adulteration (e.g. proteases).
2. Intravenous infusions and/or injections of more than 50 mL per 6 hour period except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions or clinical investigations.
The World Anti-Doping Code
THE 2013 PROHIBITED LIST
INTERNATIONAL STANDARD
The rules on this is actually really straight forward, and you pretty much got them right.
http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/W...ed-list/2012/WADA_Prohibited_List_2012_EN.pdf
M2. CHEMICAL AND PHYSICAL MANIPULATION
The following are prohibited:
2. Intravenous infusions and/or injections of more than 50 mL per 6 hour period are prohibited except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions or clinical investigations.
3. Sequential withdrawal, manipulation and reintroduction of any quantity of whole blood into the circulatory system.
AFL rules
http://www.aflvic.com.au/fileadmin/.../Club_Resources/AFL_Anti-Doping_Code_2010.pdf
"Prohibited Method means any method so described on the WADA Prohibited List."
<too much stuff in section 11 saying Dont Use Prohibited Methods>
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