Analysis Adam Goodes - the gentle art of making enemies

[PNess]

Hammer. Nail . Head.

Jake Niall nails it in this article in my opinion. I think if a lot of us convinced that the primary reason we don't like Goodes is because he tackles feet first were brutally honest with ourselves we would admit that under the surface Niall's description is actually a much more accurate account of what we find offensive about him. Perhaps you could test the connection by looking at the correlation between those of us that think Goodes is a w@anker and those of us who also think that guys like Jesse Jackson and Spike Lee are w@nkers too. Would be interesting to see if there are many outliers here.



Why some fans are challenged by Goodes
May 21, 2014


Jake Niall
Senior sports writer for The Age

There might not be a single reason why a portion of Essendon fans booed Adam Goodes on Saturday evening. Some might have booed him for supposed staging, others for the fact that he’s an opposition champion.

Some could simply have been angry that the Bombers were getting flogged, and joined in the chorus, without necessarily putting a coherent thought behind their boo.

But it is clear that, whatever motivated the booers, Goodes has become a target for a certain football fan who doesn’t like the way he has stood up for indigenous rights and for the way he has challenged our thinking.

This is not about Essendon supporters, because Goodes has copped invective from fans of other clubs for what is seen to be a stridency in attacking racism within football ever since he reported a racial slur against Collingwood last year, which was followed by Eddie McGuire’s unfortunate ‘‘King Kong’’ gaffe.

Check the 200 or so comments underneath on the column penned by Greg Baum on Tuesday, peruse fan forums and you’ll find a criticism of Goodes – which is far from a majority – that he is an undeserving recipient of the Australian Of The Year, or that his stance on indigenous matters has been too righteous.

‘‘People just don’t like Goodes, especially since he was so undeserving of an AUSTRALIAN of the YEAR award. What a joke,’’ said one respondent to the Baum column. ‘‘Can I get the gong because I am white.’’

Another reader opined that Goodes had been booed, in part because he: ‘‘points the finger at a little girl who called him an ape’’ and ‘‘vilifies all white-skinned Australians as being responsible for the ‘genocide’ of the Aboriginal people may be we’re all a little over this sanctimonious ‘role model’.’’

One castigated Goodes for being ‘‘a precious little petal, everything is racist to him. he has lost the plot big time and i have lost all respect for this guy!!!!’’

A number of readers pointed out that while Goodes had been booed, fellow indigenous Swans (and superstar) Lance Franklin and Lewis Jetta were spared the hoot.

That is correct, and it leads directly to an explanation for why Goodes, rather than Buddy, Jetta, Paddy Ryder and virtually every other indigenous footballer, is copping cyber abuse for his front-foot stance on race.

It is the theory of influential conservative African-American writer Shelby Steele that there are two types of black public figures in the United States: ‘‘challengers’’ and ‘‘bargainers’’.

The bargainer is described as a black who adopts a ‘‘go along to get along’’ view. He forms an unwritten pact with the white public – that he will not hold whites accountable for historic racism, or even the less virulent contemporary version, so long as they don’t hold his colour against him.

Indigenous leader Noel Pearson once articulated Steele’s explanation of the bargainer thus: ‘‘I will not use America’s history of racism against you, if you promise not to use my race against me.’’

Barack Obama, Oprah Winfrey and Tiger Woods all fitted the ‘‘bargainer’’ mould, according to Steele. The challenger, conversely, does not let racism slide. He is forthright in identifying and confronting it. The challenger sees racism as endemic. He does not go along to get along and often has an angry edge.

Activist Jesse Jackson and filmmaker Spike Lee are paradigms of Steele’s challenger. I saw the challenger/bargainer thesis proven in the audience at a Mike Tyson fight in 1991, when the crowd gave Michael Jordan (bargainer) a rapturous standing ovation, after booing Jackson and Lee, who were among the celebrity throng.

Goodes is a pretty mild challenger by black American or even indigenous Australian standards, but he has taken up the cudgels, in a fiercer way, than any other highly visible Aboriginal sportsman (besides the much less temperate, or credible Anthony Mundine). While Michael Long has challenged via his actions – including his march – his tone has been without a confrontational edge.

He is also a former player – which removes him from the centre square of race debates.

Goodes, intentionally or not, is our challenger on race conduct in the AFL.

Sadly, elements within the football public can’t accept this kind of challenge.

Hammer. Nail. Thumb.

 

[grumbleguts]

People still think it's either his race or his stance on racism that causes the booing, it's neither.

 

[Gold Member]

Which other supporter base can manipulate the media for the duration of 6 days?

Seriously though, well done to the club for treating this "issue" with the contempt it rightfully deserves.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Right....So his staging, knees in first antics, 2012 GF & Buddy complicitness has nothing whatsoever to do with why Hawk supporters boo him?....Besides, if he wants to be a polly, then he can go to Canberra....Footy & politics should never be mixed....He is now learning that lesson.

 

[Blaze Storm]

Hammer. Nail . Head.

Jake Niall nails it in this article in my opinion. I think if a lot of us convinced that the primary reason we don't like Goodes is because he tackles feet first were brutally honest with ourselves we would admit that under the surface Niall's description is actually a much more accurate account of what we find offensive about him. Perhaps you could test the connection by looking at the correlation between those of us that think Goodes is a w@anker and those of us who also think that guys like Jesse Jackson and Spike Lee are w@nkers too. Would be interesting to see if there are many outliers here.



Why some fans are challenged by Goodes
May 21, 2014


Jake Niall
Senior sports writer for The Age

There might not be a single reason why a portion of Essendon fans booed Adam Goodes on Saturday evening. Some might have booed him for supposed staging, others for the fact that he’s an opposition champion.

Some could simply have been angry that the Bombers were getting flogged, and joined in the chorus, without necessarily putting a coherent thought behind their boo.

But it is clear that, whatever motivated the booers, Goodes has become a target for a certain football fan who doesn’t like the way he has stood up for indigenous rights and for the way he has challenged our thinking.

This is not about Essendon supporters, because Goodes has copped invective from fans of other clubs for what is seen to be a stridency in attacking racism within football ever since he reported a racial slur against Collingwood last year, which was followed by Eddie McGuire’s unfortunate ‘‘King Kong’’ gaffe.

Check the 200 or so comments underneath on the column penned by Greg Baum on Tuesday, peruse fan forums and you’ll find a criticism of Goodes – which is far from a majority – that he is an undeserving recipient of the Australian Of The Year, or that his stance on indigenous matters has been too righteous.

‘‘People just don’t like Goodes, especially since he was so undeserving of an AUSTRALIAN of the YEAR award. What a joke,’’ said one respondent to the Baum column. ‘‘Can I get the gong because I am white.’’

Another reader opined that Goodes had been booed, in part because he: ‘‘points the finger at a little girl who called him an ape’’ and ‘‘vilifies all white-skinned Australians as being responsible for the ‘genocide’ of the Aboriginal people may be we’re all a little over this sanctimonious ‘role model’.’’

One castigated Goodes for being ‘‘a precious little petal, everything is racist to him. he has lost the plot big time and i have lost all respect for this guy!!!!’’

A number of readers pointed out that while Goodes had been booed, fellow indigenous Swans (and superstar) Lance Franklin and Lewis Jetta were spared the hoot.

That is correct, and it leads directly to an explanation for why Goodes, rather than Buddy, Jetta, Paddy Ryder and virtually every other indigenous footballer, is copping cyber abuse for his front-foot stance on race.

It is the theory of influential conservative African-American writer Shelby Steele that there are two types of black public figures in the United States: ‘‘challengers’’ and ‘‘bargainers’’.

The bargainer is described as a black who adopts a ‘‘go along to get along’’ view. He forms an unwritten pact with the white public – that he will not hold whites accountable for historic racism, or even the less virulent contemporary version, so long as they don’t hold his colour against him.

Indigenous leader Noel Pearson once articulated Steele’s explanation of the bargainer thus: ‘‘I will not use America’s history of racism against you, if you promise not to use my race against me.’’

Barack Obama, Oprah Winfrey and Tiger Woods all fitted the ‘‘bargainer’’ mould, according to Steele. The challenger, conversely, does not let racism slide. He is forthright in identifying and confronting it. The challenger sees racism as endemic. He does not go along to get along and often has an angry edge.

Activist Jesse Jackson and filmmaker Spike Lee are paradigms of Steele’s challenger. I saw the challenger/bargainer thesis proven in the audience at a Mike Tyson fight in 1991, when the crowd gave Michael Jordan (bargainer) a rapturous standing ovation, after booing Jackson and Lee, who were among the celebrity throng.

Goodes is a pretty mild challenger by black American or even indigenous Australian standards, but he has taken up the cudgels, in a fiercer way, than any other highly visible Aboriginal sportsman (besides the much less temperate, or credible Anthony Mundine). While Michael Long has challenged via his actions – including his march – his tone has been without a confrontational edge.

He is also a former player – which removes him from the centre square of race debates.

Goodes, intentionally or not, is our challenger on race conduct in the AFL.

Sadly, elements within the football public can’t accept this kind of challenge.

Seysearles: I know this is your point of view, however I wholeheartedly disagree with it. There is no element of my dislike for Goodes that is racially or politically motivated. As much as people like Niall pontificate on it.

 

[TyHawk]

Goodes is a flog.

 

[seysearles]

Seysearles: I know this is your point of view, however I wholeheartedly disagree with it. There is no element of my dislike for Goodes that is racially or politically motivated. As much as people like Niall pontificate on it.

Did you take the test? Would be interested to know if there is a correlation. Let's not forget also that there is a spectrum of racial prejudice ranging from "black people are genetically inferior to white people" all the way down to a much more subtle "why the hell does he have to shove that crap in my face?". The truth is that very few of us admit to be being racist but literally every one of us has racist thoughts regularly.

 

[Gold Member]

Dunno about anybody else but I didn't even realise Adam Goodes was Indigenous until the 13th year of his career...

I was so enraged at his charade that all of my inner racism managed to bubble over and manifest itself into an almighty boo.

Felt good. Racism was proving to be quite addictive.

Be right back. Need another hit...



... Geez I hope there are some Muslim women on the train...

 

[Blaze Storm]

Did you take the test? Would be interested to know if there is a correlation. Let's not forget also that this is spectrum of racial prejudice ranging from "black people are genetically inferior to white people" all the way down to a much more subtle "why does the hell does he have to shove that crap in my face". The truth is that very few of us admit to be being racist but literally every one of us has racist thoughts regularly.

What test?

 

[seysearles]

What test?

Perhaps you could test the connection by looking at the correlation between those of us that think Goodes is a w@anker and those of us who also think that guys like Jesse Jackson and Spike Lee are w@nkers too. Would be interesting to see if there are many outliers here.

 

[Rushed_Behind]

I may be out of line here but what is the importance or necessity of mentioning someone's skin colour. IMO The mere fact people like Caro and robbo went off earlier in the week proves their own racist undertone.

For them to write it they have thought to themselves that "hang on a second he's black/indigenous can you do that"?

Sub-consciously they have asked themselves about the person who is receiving the negativity about their race/colour. If that question was not in their thought process maybe then all people will be judged equally.

 

[Rushed_Behind]

I don't like Goodes the footy player.

I like spike lee movies.

I respect Jesse jackson's stance for equality.

Did I pass the test?

 

[Crankyhawk]

Si

Hammer. Nail . Head.

Jake Niall nails it in this article in my opinion. I think if a lot of us convinced that the primary reason we don't like Goodes is because he tackles feet first were brutally honest with ourselves we would admit that under the surface Niall's description is actually a much more accurate account of what we find offensive about him. Perhaps you could test the connection by looking at the correlation between those of us that think Goodes is a w@anker and those of us who also think that guys like Jesse Jackson and Spike Lee are w@nkers too. Would be interesting to see if there are many outliers here.



Why some fans are challenged by Goodes
May 21, 2014


Jake Niall
Senior sports writer for The Age

There might not be a single reason why a portion of Essendon fans booed Adam Goodes on Saturday evening. Some might have booed him for supposed staging, others for the fact that he’s an opposition champion.

Some could simply have been angry that the Bombers were getting flogged, and joined in the chorus, without necessarily putting a coherent thought behind their boo.

But it is clear that, whatever motivated the booers, Goodes has become a target for a certain football fan who doesn’t like the way he has stood up for indigenous rights and for the way he has challenged our thinking.

This is not about Essendon supporters, because Goodes has copped invective from fans of other clubs for what is seen to be a stridency in attacking racism within football ever since he reported a racial slur against Collingwood last year, which was followed by Eddie McGuire’s unfortunate ‘‘King Kong’’ gaffe.

Check the 200 or so comments underneath on the column penned by Greg Baum on Tuesday, peruse fan forums and you’ll find a criticism of Goodes – which is far from a majority – that he is an undeserving recipient of the Australian Of The Year, or that his stance on indigenous matters has been too righteous.

‘‘People just don’t like Goodes, especially since he was so undeserving of an AUSTRALIAN of the YEAR award. What a joke,’’ said one respondent to the Baum column. ‘‘Can I get the gong because I am white.’’

Another reader opined that Goodes had been booed, in part because he: ‘‘points the finger at a little girl who called him an ape’’ and ‘‘vilifies all white-skinned Australians as being responsible for the ‘genocide’ of the Aboriginal people may be we’re all a little over this sanctimonious ‘role model’.’’

One castigated Goodes for being ‘‘a precious little petal, everything is racist to him. he has lost the plot big time and i have lost all respect for this guy!!!!’’

A number of readers pointed out that while Goodes had been booed, fellow indigenous Swans (and superstar) Lance Franklin and Lewis Jetta were spared the hoot.

That is correct, and it leads directly to an explanation for why Goodes, rather than Buddy, Jetta, Paddy Ryder and virtually every other indigenous footballer, is copping cyber abuse for his front-foot stance on race.

It is the theory of influential conservative African-American writer Shelby Steele that there are two types of black public figures in the United States: ‘‘challengers’’ and ‘‘bargainers’’.

The bargainer is described as a black who adopts a ‘‘go along to get along’’ view. He forms an unwritten pact with the white public – that he will not hold whites accountable for historic racism, or even the less virulent contemporary version, so long as they don’t hold his colour against him.

Indigenous leader Noel Pearson once articulated Steele’s explanation of the bargainer thus: ‘‘I will not use America’s history of racism against you, if you promise not to use my race against me.’’

Barack Obama, Oprah Winfrey and Tiger Woods all fitted the ‘‘bargainer’’ mould, according to Steele. The challenger, conversely, does not let racism slide. He is forthright in identifying and confronting it. The challenger sees racism as endemic. He does not go along to get along and often has an angry edge.

Activist Jesse Jackson and filmmaker Spike Lee are paradigms of Steele’s challenger. I saw the challenger/bargainer thesis proven in the audience at a Mike Tyson fight in 1991, when the crowd gave Michael Jordan (bargainer) a rapturous standing ovation, after booing Jackson and Lee, who were among the celebrity throng.

Goodes is a pretty mild challenger by black American or even indigenous Australian standards, but he has taken up the cudgels, in a fiercer way, than any other highly visible Aboriginal sportsman (besides the much less temperate, or credible Anthony Mundine). While Michael Long has challenged via his actions – including his march – his tone has been without a confrontational edge.

He is also a former player – which removes him from the centre square of race debates.

Goodes, intentionally or not, is our challenger on race conduct in the AFL.

Sadly, elements within the football public can’t accept this kind of challenge.

sigh. Yet again I need to correct another media flog.

Goodes is the symbol of afl favouritism of Sydney and being a protected species. Then he reacts to getting booed. Which in turn leads to the view "this is fun, he can't take it, and we get to have a modicum of revenge against the afl and their favourites" from a club that the afl tried to merge off and now wants to take our money to support povvo clubs and their favourites.

 

[Procrastinator35]

YEP....I never even realized that Buddy was aboriginal....Till he went to Syd-ah-nee....Damn that Golden Brown camouflage.

Also find it highly amusing when on one hand, Caro will slam the AFL'S stance on one issue, then on the other, will be their card-carrying bunny.

Lets count the mediya-fuelled Hawk hating agenda thus far in 2015; Clarko is a violent thug....Our Capt & vice capt Hodge & Lewis likewise; & our supporters are all racists....That just about covers it for a full dose of tar & feathering!

Now....Who exactly has the tall poppy syndrome again?

The most successful club of the modern era...12 flags in 55 years, 72,000 members & fully financially independent....Meediya & AFL Jelly much!

 

[Crankyhawk]

Oh and for what it's worth I liked Goodes pointing out the girl last year. For me the things he does off field/ aoty etc weigh in his favour. But the on field for me outweighs it, then add the protected species stuff and my answer is BOO.

 

[MadHawka]

This little campaign going on about booing Goodesy because his aboriginal has gotten a little out of hand, it's most disappointing for the accusations on our supporters that nobody has really come out to rubbish this.

In the 2 seasons prior to Gibson getting tripped, Goodes was sent to the tribunal 4 times for tripping & sliding. I could've went back further as other incidents and tribunal history was there too, if the media wants a scapegoat for booing Goodesy, blame the Swans leaders, it's coaches and the tribunal for letting him get away with it.

I can't believe that nobody else has done this already.... articles and dates linked below. Some of the print and tv media couldn't be more wrong, some very short memories indeed. Sad thing is with the nanny state we live in, it might be too late to expect anyone to really push the other way out of fear too for being called a racist.

You don't need any more reasons to boo him as a player, all the staging for free kicks and little girl incident can be put to the side. The Gibson trip was the tipping point, the booing began and intensified after this game, and no doubt fuelled by the words off the great Hawthorn champion Dermott Brereton. It was the 3rd incident in the game from Goodes, and in this AFL Official You tube clip he gets up after taking Gibson out and then crashes into Whitecross, Goodes is on the ground and clearly raises his leg (Whitecross was getting clear) for his second trip within the same passage of play. That was just a few weeks before he did his knee too which has never been discussed, I'm not sure if it's the same leg though for Whitecross it's not something he would've been expecting and those unexpected falls can sometimes end up being when you get hurt the most.

These are the ones I could find, I'm know we are missing a few...... most supporters can be pretty forgiving though when the same things keep happening over and over long period of time you can hardly blame the supporters for the way they are. We clearly got it worse than most, Guerra tripped in 2011, Rioli taken out in the 2012 grand final and then Gibbo in 2013.

If the AFL Tribunal rubbed Goodes out things could have been very different, Brereton wouldn't have had written his article and the fans with justice served might have moved on too. Gibson didn't play the week after he was taken out by Goodes, and when he came back he was clearly playing hurt.

Here's all the articles below, was surprised to see the Rioli one, swore never to watch that game again after watching it live from the nosebleed section.

If anyone else has close up images of Goodes tripping or sliding put them up and link it in.... would be hard to argue against a montage of Goodes tripping and sliding over the years and all the players he's taken out.

May 24 2011 Adam Goodes charged with tripping Hawthorn Brent Guerra

Feb 27 2012 The Age "Sydney's Goodes and Geelong's Hunt cited for rough conduct"
April 17 2012 The Age "Goodes sliding into second ban and out of medal contention"
Sept 29 2012 AFL Photos "Adam Goodes of the Swans slides into Cyril Rioli"

May 11 2013 AFL OFFICIAL Youtube "Not so Goodes? - AFL"
May 13 2013 The Australian "Dermott Brereton hits out at Adam Goodes for leading with legs against Hawthorn's Josh Gibson"

 

[Procrastinator35]

This little campaign going on about booing Goodesy because his aboriginal has gotten a little out of hand, it's most disappointing for the accusations on our supporters that nobody has really come out to rubbish this.

In the 2 seasons prior to Gibson getting tripped, Goodes was sent to the tribunal 4 times for tripping & sliding. I could've went back further as other incidents and tribunal history was there too, if the media wants a scapegoat for booing Goodesy, blame the Swans leaders, it's coaches and the tribunal for letting him get away with it.

I can't believe that nobody else has done this already.... articles and dates linked below. Some of the print and tv media couldn't be more wrong, some very short memories indeed. Sad thing is with the nanny state we live in, it might be too late to expect anyone to really push the other way out of fear too for being called a racist.

You don't need any more reasons to boo him as a player, all the staging for free kicks and little girl incident can be put to the side. The Gibson trip was the tipping point, the booing began and intensified after this game, and no doubt fuelled by the words off the great Hawthorn champion Dermott Brereton. It was the 3rd incident in the game from Goodes, and in this AFL Official You tube clip he gets up after taking Gibson out and then crashes into Whitecross, Goodes is on the ground and clearly raises his leg (Whitecross was getting clear) for his second trip within the same passage of play. That was just a few weeks before he did his knee too which has never been discussed, I'm not sure if it's the same leg though for Whitecross it's not something he would've been expecting and those unexpected falls can sometimes end up being when you get hurt the most.

These are the ones I could find, I'm know we are missing a few...... most supporters can be pretty forgiving though when the same things keep happening over and over long period of time you can hardly blame the supporters for the way they are. We clearly got it worse than most, Guerra tripped in 2011, Rioli taken out in the 2012 grand final and then Gibbo in 2013.

If the AFL Tribunal rubbed Goodes out things could have been very different, Brereton wouldn't have had written his article and the fans with justice served might have moved on too. Gibson didn't play the week after he was taken out by Goodes, and when he came back he was clearly playing hurt.

Here's all the articles below, was surprised to see the Rioli one, swore never to watch that game again after watching it live from the nosebleed section.

If anyone else has close up images of Goodes tripping or sliding put them up and link it in.... would be hard to argue against a montage of Goodes tripping and sliding over the years and all the players he's taken out.

May 24 2011 Adam Goodes charged with tripping Hawthorn Brent Guerra

Feb 27 2012 The Age "Sydney's Goodes and Geelong's Hunt cited for rough conduct"
April 17 2012 The Age "Goodes sliding into second ban and out of medal contention"
Sept 29 2012 AFL Photos "Adam Goodes of the Swans slides into Cyril Rioli"

May 11 2013 AFL OFFICIAL Youtube "Not so Goodes? - AFL"
May 13 2013 The Australian "Dermott Brereton hits out at Adam Goodes for leading with legs against Hawthorn's Josh Gibson"

VERY WELL DONE....NOW PLEASE POST THIS ON THE MAIN BOARD & TO ALL MEDIA OUTLETS, THE AFL & MOST ESPECIALLY CAROLINE WILSON.

 

[PNess]

It's horrible to be accused of any crime, worse if that accusation is completely false. Mud sticks. Thankfully in our society you are 'alleged' to have committed a crime until you are found guilty or not guilty after having an opportunity to defend yourself.

This week Judge Caroline Wilson and Judge Mark Robinson have bypassed the trial process and have handed down an emphatic guilty finding. All this without a single member of the countless accused being entitled to a defense of any kind and not a single shred of evidence being produced, not a single fact referred to.

One naturally has to ask if they have an agenda to champion themselves or if they have a vendetta against the accused and their associates. It is common knowledge that Wilson has long been on less than favourable terms with the Hawthorn Football Club, including its former president Jeff Kennett and current coach Alastair Clarkson.

It's likely that very few would use the term 'professional' when describing Robinson's demeanor. Being an unabashed supporter of Hawthorn's bitter rival, Essendon, it would be a fair to ask whether he's abused his media position in an attempt to drag his club's far more successful rival through a similar pit of mud that his own club has been crawling itself through for the last 3 years.

 

[PNess]

This little campaign going on about booing Goodesy because his aboriginal has gotten a little out of hand, it's most disappointing for the accusations on our supporters that nobody has really come out to rubbish this.

In the 2 seasons prior to Gibson getting tripped, Goodes was sent to the tribunal 4 times for tripping & sliding. I could've went back further as other incidents and tribunal history was there too, if the media wants a scapegoat for booing Goodesy, blame the Swans leaders, it's coaches and the tribunal for letting him get away with it.

I can't believe that nobody else has done this already.... articles and dates linked below. Some of the print and tv media couldn't be more wrong, some very short memories indeed. Sad thing is with the nanny state we live in, it might be too late to expect anyone to really push the other way out of fear too for being called a racist.

You don't need any more reasons to boo him as a player, all the staging for free kicks and little girl incident can be put to the side. The Gibson trip was the tipping point, the booing began and intensified after this game, and no doubt fuelled by the words off the great Hawthorn champion Dermott Brereton. It was the 3rd incident in the game from Goodes, and in this AFL Official You tube clip he gets up after taking Gibson out and then crashes into Whitecross, Goodes is on the ground and clearly raises his leg (Whitecross was getting clear) for his second trip within the same passage of play. That was just a few weeks before he did his knee too which has never been discussed, I'm not sure if it's the same leg though for Whitecross it's not something he would've been expecting and those unexpected falls can sometimes end up being when you get hurt the most.

These are the ones I could find, I'm know we are missing a few...... most supporters can be pretty forgiving though when the same things keep happening over and over long period of time you can hardly blame the supporters for the way they are. We clearly got it worse than most, Guerra tripped in 2011, Rioli taken out in the 2012 grand final and then Gibbo in 2013.

If the AFL Tribunal rubbed Goodes out things could have been very different, Brereton wouldn't have had written his article and the fans with justice served might have moved on too. Gibson didn't play the week after he was taken out by Goodes, and when he came back he was clearly playing hurt.

Here's all the articles below, was surprised to see the Rioli one, swore never to watch that game again after watching it live from the nosebleed section.

If anyone else has close up images of Goodes tripping or sliding put them up and link it in.... would be hard to argue against a montage of Goodes tripping and sliding over the years and all the players he's taken out.

May 24 2011 Adam Goodes charged with tripping Hawthorn Brent Guerra

Feb 27 2012 The Age "Sydney's Goodes and Geelong's Hunt cited for rough conduct"
April 17 2012 The Age "Goodes sliding into second ban and out of medal contention"
Sept 29 2012 AFL Photos "Adam Goodes of the Swans slides into Cyril Rioli"

May 11 2013 AFL OFFICIAL Youtube "Not so Goodes? - AFL"
May 13 2013 The Australian "Dermott Brereton hits out at Adam Goodes for leading with legs against Hawthorn's Josh Gibson"

Very well done.

 

[Xtreme]

This little campaign going on about booing Goodesy because his aboriginal has gotten a little out of hand, it's most disappointing for the accusations on our supporters that nobody has really come out to rubbish this.

In the 2 seasons prior to Gibson getting tripped, Goodes was sent to the tribunal 4 times for tripping & sliding. I could've went back further as other incidents and tribunal history was there too, if the media wants a scapegoat for booing Goodesy, blame the Swans leaders, it's coaches and the tribunal for letting him get away with it.

I can't believe that nobody else has done this already.... articles and dates linked below. Some of the print and tv media couldn't be more wrong, some very short memories indeed. Sad thing is with the nanny state we live in, it might be too late to expect anyone to really push the other way out of fear too for being called a racist.

You don't need any more reasons to boo him as a player, all the staging for free kicks and little girl incident can be put to the side. The Gibson trip was the tipping point, the booing began and intensified after this game, and no doubt fuelled by the words off the great Hawthorn champion Dermott Brereton. It was the 3rd incident in the game from Goodes, and in this AFL Official You tube clip he gets up after taking Gibson out and then crashes into Whitecross, Goodes is on the ground and clearly raises his leg (Whitecross was getting clear) for his second trip within the same passage of play. That was just a few weeks before he did his knee too which has never been discussed, I'm not sure if it's the same leg though for Whitecross it's not something he would've been expecting and those unexpected falls can sometimes end up being when you get hurt the most.

These are the ones I could find, I'm know we are missing a few...... most supporters can be pretty forgiving though when the same things keep happening over and over long period of time you can hardly blame the supporters for the way they are. We clearly got it worse than most, Guerra tripped in 2011, Rioli taken out in the 2012 grand final and then Gibbo in 2013.

If the AFL Tribunal rubbed Goodes out things could have been very different, Brereton wouldn't have had written his article and the fans with justice served might have moved on too. Gibson didn't play the week after he was taken out by Goodes, and when he came back he was clearly playing hurt.

Here's all the articles below, was surprised to see the Rioli one, swore never to watch that game again after watching it live from the nosebleed section.

If anyone else has close up images of Goodes tripping or sliding put them up and link it in.... would be hard to argue against a montage of Goodes tripping and sliding over the years and all the players he's taken out.

May 24 2011 Adam Goodes charged with tripping Hawthorn Brent Guerra

Feb 27 2012 The Age "Sydney's Goodes and Geelong's Hunt cited for rough conduct"
April 17 2012 The Age "Goodes sliding into second ban and out of medal contention"
Sept 29 2012 AFL Photos "Adam Goodes of the Swans slides into Cyril Rioli"

May 11 2013 AFL OFFICIAL Youtube "Not so Goodes? - AFL"
May 13 2013 The Australian "Dermott Brereton hits out at Adam Goodes for leading with legs against Hawthorn's Josh Gibson"

I think I love you!!!!

 

[Off The Couch]

seysearles, I just don't like Adam Goodes - it's simple really. I know why I do and it's one I don't have to justify but it's certainly not because of his skin colour. I don't mind Jesse Jackson and I've never really given Spike Lee a thought. I applaud Barack Obama but can't stand Oprah Winfrey. I like Michael Walters but can't stand Danyle Pearce and don't even get me started on Michael Johnson. I think Chad Wingard is a tosser but I love Eddie Betts. Shaun Burgoyne is very active and outspoken on indigenous matters and apart from Port supporters I don't think I've ever heard him booed - so is he a challenger or a bargainer. I'm not a booer but I'm enjoying all these media types looking for an angle, clutching at straws and just being downright offensive this week.

The problem for Adam I think is that there are a variety of reasons he is disliked
Dirty Player
Undeserved AOTY
Bully
and in general unlikeable
Unfortunately when you combine all of those reasons together, then that makes for one very loud boooooooooooooo


*The reasons for dislike are a combination of what I've read on these and other boards, they are not my reasons

 

[TheFourPillars]

seysearles
I seriously don't like your undertones. I don't boo him and i didn't on saturday. He has been a great footballer through his career no doubt and no one can take that away from him, but do i have to like him? or else i am racist? seriously mate. Its almost got to the point where i might start booing him now because of this $hit. Isn't Franklin aboriginal? why aren't we accused of being racist against him.

The Adam Goodes booing is not racist

 

[HawksTHteam2beat]

Luke Beveridge has said that booing is just part of the game isn't it…the romance, emotion & energy of our game…the great connection between the fans & their team. I wonder if caroline will have any views on this? I somehow doubt it

 

[MightyHawks]

This little campaign going on about booing Goodesy because his aboriginal has gotten a little out of hand, it's most disappointing for the accusations on our supporters that nobody has really come out to rubbish this.

In the 2 seasons prior to Gibson getting tripped, Goodes was sent to the tribunal 4 times for tripping & sliding. I could've went back further as other incidents and tribunal history was there too, if the media wants a scapegoat for booing Goodesy, blame the Swans leaders, it's coaches and the tribunal for letting him get away with it.

I can't believe that nobody else has done this already.... articles and dates linked below. Some of the print and tv media couldn't be more wrong, some very short memories indeed. Sad thing is with the nanny state we live in, it might be too late to expect anyone to really push the other way out of fear too for being called a racist.

You don't need any more reasons to boo him as a player, all the staging for free kicks and little girl incident can be put to the side. The Gibson trip was the tipping point, the booing began and intensified after this game, and no doubt fuelled by the words off the great Hawthorn champion Dermott Brereton. It was the 3rd incident in the game from Goodes, and in this AFL Official You tube clip he gets up after taking Gibson out and then crashes into Whitecross, Goodes is on the ground and clearly raises his leg (Whitecross was getting clear) for his second trip within the same passage of play. That was just a few weeks before he did his knee too which has never been discussed, I'm not sure if it's the same leg though for Whitecross it's not something he would've been expecting and those unexpected falls can sometimes end up being when you get hurt the most.

These are the ones I could find, I'm know we are missing a few...... most supporters can be pretty forgiving though when the same things keep happening over and over long period of time you can hardly blame the supporters for the way they are. We clearly got it worse than most, Guerra tripped in 2011, Rioli taken out in the 2012 grand final and then Gibbo in 2013.

If the AFL Tribunal rubbed Goodes out things could have been very different, Brereton wouldn't have had written his article and the fans with justice served might have moved on too. Gibson didn't play the week after he was taken out by Goodes, and when he came back he was clearly playing hurt.

Here's all the articles below, was surprised to see the Rioli one, swore never to watch that game again after watching it live from the nosebleed section.

If anyone else has close up images of Goodes tripping or sliding put them up and link it in.... would be hard to argue against a montage of Goodes tripping and sliding over the years and all the players he's taken out.

May 24 2011 Adam Goodes charged with tripping Hawthorn Brent Guerra

Feb 27 2012 The Age "Sydney's Goodes and Geelong's Hunt cited for rough conduct"
April 17 2012 The Age "Goodes sliding into second ban and out of medal contention"
Sept 29 2012 AFL Photos "Adam Goodes of the Swans slides into Cyril Rioli"

May 11 2013 AFL OFFICIAL Youtube "Not so Goodes? - AFL"
May 13 2013 The Australian "Dermott Brereton hits out at Adam Goodes for leading with legs against Hawthorn's Josh Gibson"

You left out the part that the AFL lets him off all the time

Sickening listening to Eddie McGuire crapping on about it being ok to boo anyone except Goodesy who is an ornament to the game

Eddie, only one of us said we should get Goodesy to promote King Kong...

 

[Xtreme]

Luke Beveridge has said that booing is just part of the game isn't it…the romance, emotion & energy of our game…the great connection between the fans & their team. I wonder if caroline will have any views on this? I somehow doubt it

We boo players and teams for different reasons I mentioned days ago that you cheer for your heroes and boo the players you love to hate.

Using the same example I boo Essendon as a whole because of the ASADA scandal and the fact they left a bad mark on the game. Dustin Fletcher's 400 games is an achievement (omg I hope he doesn't break Tuck's record), I'll boo him not because I am a fun hater on the night. I'll boo him because of the jumper he is wearing.

I'll boo Goodes for being a stage diver and sniper
I'll boo Franklin for doing the dirty on Hawthorn
I'll boo McVeigh because he can steal games from our clutches
I'll boo the rest of Sydney due to the COLA advantage