Analysis Adam Goodes - the gentle art of making enemies

[Gold Member]

Look at this shit from today.
This will be given 5% or the media coverage than what we have been dragged through as a Club and it's wider fanbase.

What a complete joke.

Shut the thread down, it has been given too much oxygen already.

 

[MadHawka]

I don't get why it is that if people dislike Goodes that they must be rasict.
What about when we boo Bartel or Chapman? Are we racists then?

Shit bloke. Shit argument.

Welcome to tabloid media. You don't need facts, just ask questions blindly for a few days, do no investigation beyond token gesture and then accuse the other party of something that is completely abhorrent within society, knowing no right minded person in paid position would attempt to defend and then keep printing it.

I'm done with this topic now as far as the debate goes, regardless that some would want to tell us how to think and that our opinions are wrong.... most people have made up there mind rightly or wrongly and I doubt most will change now.

What I'd like to know though if any of the statements being made were true that I can't remember a single indigenous player that Hawthorn supportes have booed before. Maybe I should throw out out my Rioli signed 08 weg poster too I proudly hang behind my bar.... you know, just in case there's some truth in all this.

* just edited last para, had players not supporters

 

[Hollins]

I think the market, the paying consumers will make their minds up themselves and not heed the wishes of the media and the pigs in AFL House.
I also don't blame the AFL for siding with Goodes today. As a long time proponent of political correctness and a behind-the-scenes advocate of the Goodes brand, it had to support its product in the washup from Friday night.
I do though suspect market sentiment is widely different from that of the mainstream left leaning commentariat and the pigs in AFL House. I think the booing will increase substantially now and the casual dislike of Goodes will become open hatred. I think efforts to censor it will be met with angry resistance from the market, the paying consumer. And then the sponsors will step in to protect their own brand and investments.
And then the shit will hit the fan.

 

[Hollins]

Shut the thread down, it has been given too much oxygen already.

Don't like others expressing their views if they don't align with yours, huh. Find it threatening?
Julia Gillard, Nic Roxon and Adolf Hitler once thought as you do.
I thought left wingers believed in liberty and personal freedom?

 

[Gold Member]

Don't like others expressing their views if they don't align with yours, huh. Find it threatening?
Julia Gillard, Nic Roxon and Adolf Hitler once thought as you do.
I thought you left wingers believed in liberty and personal freedom?

Perspective.
Go buy some.

 

[Gunstall555]

Has to be said...Since Mike Sheahan has left, the standards of sports journalism at that rag have sunk to un-precedented depths.....Slobbo inc.

that is like saying since Hell froze over things are even colder now.

 

[QuietB]

I love the nazi emblem worn with pride with the Union Jack tattoo. Were those guys trying to obliterate each other or did I miss something?

 

[Todman]

I don't get why it is that if people dislike Goodes that they must be rasict.
What about when we boo Bartel or Chapman? Are we racists then?

Bartel and Chapman are both white. We are brown....................... and gold!

 

[Blaze Storm]

Don't like others expressing their views if they don't align with yours, huh. Find it threatening?
Julia Gillard, Nic Roxon and Adolf Hitler once thought as you do.
I thought left wingers believed in liberty and personal freedom?

WTF?

Because the Left is always about liberty... that's why communist states are always such open affairs??

 

[JoondalupJ]

I'm going to be unpopular for saying this, but I wish Hawthorn supports would stop booing Goodes. Regardless of why you choose to boo him, there are plenty of despicable journolists in this town who are going hard on this story and painting us all with the racists brush.

I respect Adam Goodes as a person, a footballer and for what he does for his people. Steve Johnson has done far worse to us on the field, and is a flog to boot, I think we should save our booing for him.

Never!!!!! , when he does a "hidden hurt" inside a pack or lands, occidentally on purpose, on some ones leg or back, or when he plays for frees and whinges and complains, and when umpires seem to be instructed to look after him, I'LL DAMN WELL BOO MY BLOODY HEART OUT.

That part of booing is about football. He has made a mess of constitutional recognition , that's what its about.

The English said there was no one here.

That is a load of bullshit. There 40 to 60 thousand years of people arriving here.

Adam went about it the wrong way.

Why ? Ask him he seems misled by his own thoughts of what an ambassador for his community means. He doesn' t know?

 

[Davo23]

Don't like others expressing their views if they don't align with yours, huh. Find it threatening?
Julia Gillard, Nic Roxon and Adolf Hitler once thought as you do.
I thought left wingers believed in liberty and personal freedom?

What about that leftist team winning the FA Cup overnight!

I hope you don't support that bunch of reds?

 

[Hawk Dork]

Don't like others expressing their views if they don't align with yours, huh. Find it threatening?

The Hollins doth protest too much, methinks

 

[Lord Mud of Glenferrie]

Look at this shit from today.
This will be given 5% or the media coverage than what we have been dragged through as a Club and it's wider fanbase.

What a complete joke.

Shut the thread down, it has been given too much oxygen already.

Tend to agree with you here Gold Member. Not much more can really be said about Adam Goodes.

The real issue is, once again, the trial by media and Hawthorn have been the victims in this case.

In the world of reality the booing by Hawthorn fans is insignificant in comparison with what you have highlighted in your post. There is the ugly Australian staring you in the face and it will all be forgotten about tomorrow.

 

[Lord Mud of Glenferrie]

What about that leftist team winning the FA Cup overnight!

I hope you don't support that bunch of reds?

Isn't that back to back? Best news I have heard this week.

 

[Lord Mud of Glenferrie]

I think the problem is that Goodes is not a good speaker and comes across as a knob. He may be a good guy, but his on-camera performances make it difficult to feel any empathy for him.

I thought Shaun Burgoyne spoke very well this morning on the topic, he said he'd like it to stop.
Shaun is such a likeable bloke, you can't help loving his views.

I've been a booer but I'm not going to do it any more.

To be honest I have never heard him speak but I have read several of his articles and, providing they are not written by a ghost writer, he presents as a very articulated, well educated and intelligent human being. Pity he is such a mug lair.

 

[macdaddio]

Why is it that its always about Goodes??.
Why not Cryil or Lewis Jetta or Bourgoyne for eg..?
Never see or hear anything about any other indigenous player it's always Goodes!
The guy needs to grow up and realize that's it's no all about him.
And if he didn't want to be outcast then he should never had labelled Australia day as invasion day after he got gifted the australian of the year..!!

 

[MadHawka]

I got another reply from AFL HO sorry I mean mainboard bibfooty mods. The Hawthorn supporters are not racists thread will not be coming back.

Reasoning and replies below. So there you have it, and to quote the mod "freedom of speech is a red herring".

Bigfooty Mainboard mod: Goodes probably blinked at that moment in time - it means nothing. Hawthorn supporters can discuss it however they like on their own board with only the Hawk mods to answer to. Threads restricted to certain supporters don't exist on the main board. Free speech is a red herring and has nothing to do with the moderation.

My reply: Wow, you guys really are puppets, how many AFL strings did it take to control you? That's twice now in two responses that you have defended Goodes. Must be great being you, not having to think about anything, just read the script and read out loud!

 

[wallyt99]

Can we rename this thread Echols or grizzlym?

I dont like just a name being a thread name on the board.

A few suggestions:
'Leave Goodsey Alone!!!'
'How I learned to tolerate Adam Goodes'
'How to win friends and influence people - by Adam Goodes'
'How to Boo in a non rascist way - a guide to Hawthorn fans'

Any of those would do.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Can we rename this thread Echols or grizzlym?

I dont like just a name being a thread name on the board.

A few suggestions:
'Leave Goodsey Alone!!!'
'How I learned to tolerate Adam Goodes'
'How to win friends and influence people - by Adam Goodes'
'How to Boo in a non rascist way - a guide to Hawthorn fans'

Any of those would do.

I had my own in mind.

 

[Off The Couch]

How about "just another media beat up"

 

[TNTre]

Dr strange Goodes, or how I learned to stop racism and love booing.

 

[Off The Couch]

"A little bit of perspective"

 

[killerspud]

Just wait until Goodes gets parachuted into a winnable ALP seat in Inner Sydney next year

It was Tony Abbott who made him Australian of the year

 

[PNess]

Why is it that its always about Goodes??.
Why not Cryil or Lewis Jetta or Bourgoyne for eg..?
Never see or hear anything about any other indigenous player it's always Goodes!
The guy needs to grow up and realize that's it's no all about him.
And if he didn't want to be outcast then he should never had labelled Australia day as invasion day after he got gifted the australian of the year..!!

Next time we play Port and Burger gets booed I'm gonna play the race card LOL

 

[Brant]

I'm white & saw Pitch Perfect 2 with my 6-yr old white daughter today. At the end, the German team: Das Sound Machine, came on stage to perform in the final of the World A Capella Championships & my 6-yr old turned to me, faced both thumbs to the ground & with a big grin, let out a 'boooooo' that could be heard across the cinema.

She then cheered with delight when the 'Barden Bellas' followed; sporting a Venezuelan, Aussie, Black American, Asian & white Americans?

Can you imagine how hard it was for me to explain to her in whispers that she was racist?

Interpreting the booing of goodes as being based on his race can only be for the purpose of driving an agenda, either:
- the accuser is wanting to create the impression that there is a racist undertone to the booing & that the boo-ers (HFC) are racist;
- the accuser is trying to get their name/stories in the media & into discussion; or,
- they're driving someone else's agenda (AFL / sydney) at the cost of they're appearing ignorant / stupid.

Like many on here have suggested, I'm of the conclusion that the AFL / sydney are trying to protect the icon they've created. They supported the rise of this egotistical monster as the agent of their corruption (or preferred footy team). Now, he's being called to account as the supporters are seeing holes in the propaganda & the AFL's mouthpieces have been sent into overdrive to deflect criticism, the easiest & most effective way they know how.

We played 3 aboriginal players on Saturday night, as did sydney. They accept the booing of one of those as being reasonable, based on his treachery & deception, but won't accept that the booing of another is based on his dirty play, his staging for free-kicks & his being the face of that shitful club for the last 10 yrs. To accept that the booing of Buddy is due to his treachery (not race); &, that we're not racist against Burgoyne, Cyril, Hill or Jetta, has to, by default, mean that we boo goodes because it's goodes - an unlikeable football player for the AFL sponsored swans, not because of his race. He'd receive absolutely the same treatment of he was Goodsio of northern Italian decent & if he was O'Goodes, an Irish-player with a white-as-the-moon tan as he does goodes, the Australian.

I'll be f++ked if I'll accept that my 6-yr old is racist for booing a team of German (white except for 1) villains & cheering the multi-coloured heroines, but what options for categorisation does the media leave?