Adam Treloar

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The Giant said:
Thanks for the responses guys,

If I completely removed the reaction from the players and the potential disharmony it would cause within our club to get rid of Treloar, I could very easily get talked around on a straight swap - but I was genuinely wondering how you guys rated him, as I thought I might have been greatly overrating our own guy.

It's good to see you guys do rate Treloar, and I hope you get fair compensation for Beams - if Brisbane don't play ball, I really want to grab him and I'm sure we can compensate you guys like we did last year when we grabbed Heater.
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Roverjg said:
I would be happy to swap Beams for Treloar and a 2nd round draft pick or if push came to shove a direct swap. I would be happy to add a few players in with Beams in the hope of getting Treloar and another quality player.

Not that statistics give the whole picture but in a very young GWS mid-field that at times was smashed by bigger and older bodies, Treloar's stats stack up very well and are very identical to Beams. There was a substantial increase in his overall stats from last year

Beams (25 in February)
2014 - 19 Games; 27.2 disposals; 68.0% disp eff; 2.7 clangers; 6.1 clearances; 4.3 stoppages; 4.5 tackles; 1.8 R50; 4.5 I50s; 1.2 goals
2013 - 08 games; 28.5 disposals; 76.8% disp eff; 3.5 clangers; 6.7 clearances; 4.7 stoppages; 3.9 tackles; 1.0 R50; 4.4 I50s; 0.7 goals
2012 - 24 games; 30.9 disposals; 73.1% disp eff; 2.2 clangers; 5.9 clearances; 4.1 stoppages; 4.2 tackles; 1.8 R50; 4.5 I50s; 1.2 goals

Treloar (22 in March)
2014 - 20 games; 27.6 disposals; 68.0% disp eff; 3.2 clangers; 5.8 clearances; 4.0 stoppages; 5.5 tackles; 2.0 R50; 4.2 I50s; 0.6 goals
2013 - 20 games; 24.1 disposals; 70.8% disp eff; 2.8 clangers; 2.9 clearances; 1.7 stoppages; 3.4 tackles; 2.3 R50; 2.5 I50's; 0.4 goals
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The gaping hole there is the goals, a superstar AA mid who kicks plenty of goals doesn't come around all that often (Beams)
 
The Giant said:
We aren't going to trade him at all, but how do you guys realistically rate Adam Treloar? His name has emerged quite a lot from your fans, with some fans wanting Pick 4 + Treloar for Beams, so I was wondering what exactly you guys thought about him, and how a hypothetical trade would be structured

For a statistical background - Treloar averaged 27.6 disposals a game to Beams' 27.2, with a slight edge in winning contested ball (12.5 to 12.2) while Beams led in clearances 6.1 to 5.9. Beams' major advantage over Treloar is that he can go forward and kick more goals than Treloar (23 to 13)

Treloar is only 21 right now and his numbers are comparable to some of the elite inside-mids in his third season, if he improves even remotely, he will push into that upper echelon of mids. With that being said - Beams is clearly the better player right now, but statistically they're a lot closer than you guys might think.
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The goals per game are the killer, its what makes Beams a top 10 mid
 

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Beams gets massively overrated by many because his stats are excellent which I think they make him look a better player than he really is. Whilst he finds a lot of the ball his ball use is average and when under pressure he too often bombs long to forwards without looking. He is only a middle of the road clearance player and furthermore, like a lot of our midfielders, I think the defensive side of his game is below par. As a player what separates him from the pack is his goalkicking ability, however without that he is merely a good average player imo. Luckily for us his stats allow us to paint a picture of a top 10 midfielder in the competition. I'd say he is closer to 20 than 10 and probably dropping.

In short I think as a player he reflects many of the problems that our midfield has had the last few seasons - doesn't work hard enough defensive and not constructive enough when in possession.

If we were offered Treloar in straight swap I would take it up in an instant.
 
The Giant said:
We aren't going to trade him at all, but how do you guys realistically rate Adam Treloar? His name has emerged quite a lot from your fans, with some fans wanting Pick 4 + Treloar for Beams, so I was wondering what exactly you guys thought about him, and how a hypothetical trade would be structured

For a statistical background - Treloar averaged 27.6 disposals a game to Beams' 27.2, with a slight edge in winning contested ball (12.5 to 12.2) while Beams led in clearances 6.1 to 5.9. Beams' major advantage over Treloar is that he can go forward and kick more goals than Treloar (23 to 13)

Treloar is only 21 right now and his numbers are comparable to some of the elite inside-mids in his third season, if he improves even remotely, he will push into that upper echelon of mids. With that being said - Beams is clearly the better player right now, but statistically they're a lot closer than you guys might think.
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Straight swap would be a fair outcome.
 
Leviathan Pie said:
The gaping hole there is the goals, a superstar AA mid who kicks plenty of goals doesn't come around all that often (Beams)
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Maybe this will change your mind on that front - Treloar already clearly has the ability to hit the scoreboard:

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pg-greater-western-sydney-giants--adam-treloar

His goal output probably to this point has as much to do with his role at GWS as anything else - if he is able to push forward a bit more as Beams does in his current role then he could easily be a 20-25 goal a season midfielder (we're one of the teams that is set up to have midfielders kick more goals).
 
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tommyv49 said:
As much as we all want Treloar GWS aren't going to trade him.
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If they were ever going to consider it then it would be for someone of Beams calibre - ie. a ready made AA-level midfielder just entering his prime with plenty of big game / finals experience who also hits the scoreboard and can slot straight into the leadership group at the club.
 
I highly rate Treloar and I would be happy with a straight swap. Quality player whom we can build around in the future.

For those saying that his forward game is not as strong as Beams', I think he can be improved. Especially with Greenwood incoming, we can afford to throw Treloar forward for a period of each game to let him develop his goal kicking. Getting the ball is obviously not an issue for him, he just needs the opportunity to develop the goal kicking mentality. He doesnt really have this opportunity at the Giants, due to the fact that he is arguably their number 1 mid. They cant afford to put him forward for too long.

If he were to come across, I'd buy a jumper with his number on it straight away!
 

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tommyv49 said:
As much as we all want Treloar GWS aren't going to trade him.
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If GWS get Griffen in, it might take a couple of Picks that would of been used on Beams. If they wanted Beams, they may have to give up something good to get him. If the talk early next week shifts to GWS, then it may make Treloar go into the coaches office and say, hey, remember me, I was the one that said I wanted to go back to Melbourne last year, any chance that now a once in a blue moon player is moving, we can get it done. If that happened, GWS would have to consider it. Because like Beams, it is not favourable to be dealing a player in his last year of contract. Diminishes the players value.

It might get done, but I think a favourable upgrade may be needed for Treloar. Beams has shown heaps, but we got him for pick 29. GWS got Treloar for much more.

GWS with Griffen and Beams in there, will start to get better. No use waiting for all the young kids to grow. They need to play with older players, to learn from them. Also have Mumford, Patful, Shaw, Davis and Ward so they are starting to raise their age profile, and hopefully that means Treloar for Beams, but won't happen, until Treloar goes in and asks it to happen. That could happen any moment.
 
Hardas said:
Care to suggest a fair trade from GWS for Beams?
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They don't have a midfielder of his calibre and talls are often over valued so that and the fact he isn't going there makes it acedemic.
Hypothectically Berams and say a Blair for Cameron and maybe our second rounder for their 3rd might be worth while but I suspect GWS would want more. Cameron has a lot of potential upside. Beams has already provin his potential though and that is worth a lot more than it generally gets valued at.
 
partypie said:
Gosh you're so far off the mark there it's not funny - as a young midfield prospect he's about as good it gets, kid is going to be an absolute gun.
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Beams is a gun. There is no such ting as going to be an absolute gun. Hundreds and hundreds of players have looked likely but never got there. I've seen a truckload just at Collingwood.
 
DrDavoren said:
Not yet, think he will give Beams windburn soon though. Hopefully for us
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Look I know Beams wants out but that doesn't make him a lesser player. He beat Pendlebury & Swan to the B&F in 2012. He missed nearly all of 2013 and when he came back he picked up where he left off. There may be a small number of players over the next 5 years that will give Beams windburn - and maybe even none.
 
MarkT2 said:
Beams is a gun. There is no such ting as going to be an absolute gun. Hundreds and hundreds of players have looked likely but never got there. I've seen a truckload just at Collingwood.
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I'm seriously doubting as to whether you've watched Treloar play. Ever.
 
partypie said:
If they were ever going to consider it then it would be for someone of Beams calibre - ie. a ready made AA-level midfielder just entering his prime with plenty of big game / finals experience who also hits the scoreboard and can slot straight into the leadership group at the club.
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Exactly. You could argue that Beams has more value to GWS than he does to us.
 
Doubt Hoskin-Elliott will ever have the natural ball winning ability and contested game to be near the player Fyfe is.

Wouldnt complain if he proved me wrong though, i love Fyfe, and Hoskin-Elliott already entertains me.
 
popin said:
At 182cm and 84kg's Treloar was a snatched up by GWS as a 17 year old.
I don't think the saints can offer GWS anything as wont give up top 5 draft pick and plus have no players to give up.Clar
If this rumor is true I'm guessing he good mates with Adam's and want's out, so could be a big trade deal with two of our players and a pick involved. Many options in players for player swapping between clubs and could package a deal to get Treloar and James Stewart is an example :) Brown, Blair, Clarke, Goldsack, Keffe might have to be sent away to get Treloar
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Clarke Kent? ...Blair Witch? I hear GWS is going to play home games in County Downs...
 
With Boyd asking out of the club to join the Dogs, I thought it would be a good time to revisit a Beams trade, even if it's unlikely.

How happy would you be with 4 + 7 (if we get it)? Or is it important to gain a player who can walk right into your best 22 if you lose Beams?
 
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