Thanks Adrian but we need to move on quickly, fresh on eyes on list management is well overdue.
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Moved Thread Adrian Dodoro - Lodged a dispute with FairWork. Paid out. Gone. #putoutyourjackets
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unfortunately my friend, we will have his stench for another 5 - 6 years with McGrath and Parish's contract
Doesn’t even come close to addressing my point but whatever.
I’m not denying that Geelong have better development and that ours has been bad. Most people agree with that - Geelong are generally a better and more professional club than ours.
But they’ve also had WAY better recruiting than ours, which has been terrible. Let me ask you this as an alternative hypothetical. If we swapped our recruiting dept. with Geelongs for the last 20 years, do you believe that we would be better off?
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Yes probably. But my point is Dodoros sides have been better than their output.
Have they been good enough to win a premiership or go deep into finals? If so, which team of his was good enough?
Jobe's Brownlow aside, this is shit.
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That's a level that's very hard to foresee, due to we never got to see a lot of the players play to their true potential.
But take this current side for example. Imo it's good enough to be a top 6 side. Yet will finish well outside the 8.
That's partly due to poor management of players. The coach has been playing guys out of position, tall sides in the wet, not playing deserving players at all. He's playing a forward press, that gives the forwards no space to work into. That hurts the forwards, and then the defenders on transion.
All those things have hurt this group of players this year imo.
It's a common theme every year. Good sides that have underperformed due to our coaching etc.
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I’d move them on before that, especially Parish (out this trade period if I had my way).
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agreed
Made this comment at the time with (cant remember if it was Shiel or Parish) but the list spot is more important than the player specific.
To rebalance the list (from small inside midfielders galore) we need to rip the band aid off. I have serious doubt we try to actively trade out one of Hobbs, Shiel, Parish (won't happen but Merret)
I think you’re massively overrating the list.
One of the reasons we have to play players out of position is because we have holes in the list that we need to cover for. That’s on Dodo.
We still don’t really have a good key forward (Caddy isn’t there despite promising signs). We still don’t have a good big bodied mid (and haven’t since Watson retired in 2017) and so coaches are forced to have players like Stringer try and fill the void.
This has been going on years as well. Our lack of tall forwards often meant we were forced to play our best defenders like Hooker/Hurley up forward.
You’re happy to lay the blame with Scott, but we’ve had 5 other coaches since Sheedy and all of them had similar issues.
Yep. I'd like to see this expressed as a percentage, compared with other list managers of more successful clubs. That would make interesting reading and allow us to know who to target to bring in in support of Rosa.
Yep - even ignoring those player stats, I would have thought that step one is identifying what an EFC player should be (i.e. the attributes we need/want)
We want competitors, hard nosed, resilient, dependable, good skills.
Then - if a player doesn't tick the boxes, we do not take them.
We have a team of very nice boys, quite likable, well spoken. Great - but they are no good at competing in a professional football environment. As soon as the pressure ramps up we wilt. We have for years.
Enough of the choir boys - sick of it!!
Question, what makes Rosa a good draft selector, what prior experience?
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He is not the bloke who specifically selects in the draft. That is the job of RFK along with Rohan O'Brien who and a couple of others including Darren Farrugia from Melbourne. He is the list manager . The guy who overseas it all. Head of recruiting is the draft selector. One of our issues in the past has been Dodoro as list manager making his own choices.
I might wrong but I think RFK (who needs to go too) is still the head selector.
Rosa was a successful footy operation manager at Peel which is Freo's aligned club. I think he helped them get to a GF within 4 years or something.
It will be interesting to see who comes in to help support Rosa.
Since he has helped us before, I would like Jordan Lewis in our set-up.
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Like the side he left for Rutten with which had no small forwards....? Fast forward 3 years and it's still such an issue it would not surprise anyone if we paired Kako with Berry (or Hotton) if we get our pick in before a Kako bid.
Peel premiership I think?
...and no tall backs. That's how Laverde ended up back there.
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Correct me if I’m wrong but the only player that we drafted that went on to play a premiership in the last 20 years is Mitch Hibberd. Let me know if I missed anyone else.
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Bachar Houli is another one.
Michael. Ted Richards 3 years outside that window.
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