Autopsy AFL 2021 Round 10 - Crows v Demons Sat May 22nd 4:35pm EST (AO)

[Go the Guts]

The magnitude of the upset is a bit overblown though.

Crows were paying 4s. Playing at their home ground. They've already beaten Geelong there. Melbourne have been looking due for a loss for a few weeks now.

You see much bigger upsets than this.

We were just coming off 5 losses in a row against the undefeated top team. 1st v 15th. It was a bloody big upset.

 

[Moonwatcher]

well done crows you deserved to win and bad luck Melbourne you squandered it and choked

No choking, just two teams throwing everything at it.

 

[CarterS]

Dogs and Lions next 2 weeks, will find out a bit about the Demons.

 

[mcgarnacle]

Stay in your rugby state

all that salt is likely to give you hypertension

 

[Southerntakeover]

So, pretty plainly Demons had last touch.

A lot of apologies owed to the umpire by the media I think.

 

[JackFlash]

Good on the Crows, yep it was deliberate, but hey my Cats are 1-1 this season on games won and lost in the last few seconds due to poor calls. You win some and lose some, that's footy. The Dees are owed one back and will probably get it? Adelaide were always a show in this game.

 

[CountTraccula]

This forum is an absolute cesspit. Every single game day thread devolves into a shitfight about umpiring and who's getting shafted. We all know they're shit and gutless when it comes to making calls in the big moments but ffs MOVE ON.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Good on the Crows, yep it was deliberate, but hey my Cats are 1-1 this season on games won and lost in the last few seconds due to poor calls. You win some and lose some, that's footy. The Dees are owed one back and will probably get it? Adelaide were always a show in this game.

It wasnt deliberate, it was out off a Melbourne player.

 

[Crowbots are dead]

So, pretty plainly Demons had last touch.

A lot of apologies owed to the umpire by the media I think.

Wow. Really difficult to tell in real time but very clear when slowed down. Spargo’s reaction also shows that it was touched . Correct call

 

[Hollow Knight]

Looks like the umpire accidentally got it right.

Funny situation. A just and fair outcome but the umpire clearly got it right for the wrong reasons and should still be accountable.

The AFL have their out though.

 

[Shaunbkk]

I was pretty shitty when they didn’t overturn a goal from Melbourne that was touched. I was shitty when they paid a throw against us as we were running into an open goal (replay showed it wasn’t a throw). I was shitty Oliver was throwing it and not getting paid in the first half. I’m not sure if you watched the whole game, but they let a contest go in the 3rd quarter when most umpires would have called for a ball up 30 seconds earlier, Keays still handballed it out and players were given time to dispose of it all game, it’s one thing they were consistent with allowing.

The issue here is over most people's head.. 15 years ago, the AFL started to mess with the rules at a time the game was brilliant to watch up til the early 2000s.. yeah, lets change all the rules of basketball and soccer and tennis... morons... the deliberate out of bounds rule should only be used in extreme moments where players are not under any pressure and go for the boundary.. it's a STUPID rule and not in the game for 160 years ... Also.. nearly every time a second player jumps on his teammate who is tackling an opposition ball winner, he forces his teammate into the back/shoulder/head of the ball winner underneath and it should be a free to the BALLWINNER Australian Rules was a game where the ball winner is to be rewarded - not any more... it's PILE ON... like Rugby...and the game has altered greatly because of it...it's like the team waits for opponent to go get the ball, then gang tackle them and cry for a free...that is not how the game was played so beautifully for 160 years. Such a shame. It's sad to see the RUSH now as players try to kick or handpass the ball in 0.05 seconds after winning the hard ball in fear of being caught holding the ball. The ball is to won and held morons!!

 

[Crow till I die]

Looks like the umpire accidentally got it right.

Funny situation. A just and fair outcome but the umpire clearly got it right for the wrong reasons and should still be accountable.

The AFL have their out though.

Did the ump look at the player reactions to make the call? I guess it will come out when they have their review

 

[JackFlash]

It wasnt deliberate, it was out off a Melbourne player.

Good thing i'm not an umpire, i would've paid it!

 

[thedank]

It wasnt deliberate, it was out off a Melbourne player.

debatable with slo-mo and alternate angles, the umpire was blindsided and swallowed the whistle when, if the interpretation during the rest of the game was to go by, he should've blown it.

 

[tiger_tough]

debatable with slo-mo and alternate angles, the umpire was blindsided and swallowed the whistle when, if the interpretation during the rest of the game was to go by, he should've blown it.

.....but the correct decision in hindsite?

 

[thedank]

.....but the correct decision in hindsite?

again debateable, ball didn't change direction rapidly, it almost looks like spargo hit the hand/arm of the adelaide player during or just after he released the ball. 50:50 on replay, live in the positioning the umpire was it should've been paid. Frustrating, but not the end of the world. Adelaide played well, best i've seen from them in years

 

[Richard Cranium]

incorrect understanding of the Law of Large Numbers as applied to probabilistic events.

A large number of 50-50 decisions needed to be made by the umps throughout the game. Each one of them influenced the outcome. If they were made without bias, one would expect a 50-50 freekick count as the number of decisions become large.

That's what we got, 23-24 freekicks by the end.

Could not ask for a less biased umpiring job.

If every decision came from a genuine 50-50 then you may have a point. But that's not what happens with free kicks.

 

[Southerntakeover]

debatable with slo-mo and alternate angles, the umpire was blindsided and swallowed the whistle when, if the interpretation during the rest of the game was to go by, he should've blown it.

It's not debatable at all. The footage clearly shows it coming off the melbourne player, and the ball's trajectory altering. The Melbourne player reacted as if he touched it. The decision was not open to 'interpretation'.

Complaining that you didnt get the benefit of an incorrect decision is pure sour grapes.

 

[ok.crows]

again debateable, ball didn't change direction rapidly, it almost looks like spargo hit the hand/arm of the adelaide player during or just after he released the ball. 50:50 on replay, live in the positioning the umpire was it should've been paid.

The moment that Spargo touches it after it has left Murrays hands. Subsequently the ball deflects downwards and more towards the goals, in the end just missing the point post.

 

[Stabby McGee]

Adelaide won. We lost. It is what it is. Every team will get shitty calls, and every team will get calls that go their way. The amount of times I’ve seen us get a free and thought ‘I have no idea what that was about but it makes up for the other one against us 3 minutes ago that made no sense either’.
Swings and roundabouts
As an aside I hope the loss jolts us out of the 3rd gear we’ve been in since the Richmond game. Footscray look scarily good. A five minute lapse against them could see us 30+ points down before we know what hit us.

 

[Stabby McGee]

Buller chalet occupancy is quickly rising, get in quick!

Now if only you lot could afford that.
Speaking of... your rent is overdue. Pay up or it’s back to the 1972 combi van with no engine you go

 

[markm106]

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The moment that Spargo touches it after it has left Murrays hands. Subsequently the ball deflects downwards and more towards the goals, in the end just missing the point post.

Word is AFL are going to admit this was a mistake today. Murray obviously intended for the ball to go out even if Spargo touched it.
Anyway we coughed up a 16 point lead with 5 mins to go.

 

[CrowFan77]

Word is AFL are going to admit this was a mistake today. Murray obviously intended for the ball to go out even if Spargo touched it.
Anyway we coughed up a 16 point lead with 5 mins to go.

Why would the AFL do that? The evidence clearly shows the call was correct. Why risk the mental health of that umpire for no gain to the AFL?
It is more likely they would come out and say the call was correct - even if they don't agree - so that the umpire feels vindicated and can move on.
The AFL rarely admits obvious errors - which this was definitely not.

 

[tiger_tough]

Why would the AFL do that? The evidence clearly shows the call was correct. Why risk the mental health of that umpire for no gain to the AFL?
It is more likely they would come out and say the call was correct - even if they don't agree - so that the umpire feels vindicated and can move on.
The AFL rarely admits obvious errors - which this was definitely not.

I'm not sure any officials even realise it was touched?

 

[Lampers]

“Clearly”. The fact there are different views mean it’s not clear at all. It’s a moot point, the game is done and the Crows are the winners.