AFL Canberra - Division 3 & 4 - 2011 Season

[Boneless23]

The ADFA Rams boys often get a bad wrap around the league which I think is pretty unfair.

They are all great young men who really love their footy and generally play a skillful, running game in great spirt.

Maggy's post above is factually inaccurate. I was at the game and NO ADFA player abused any supporter. There was a bit of niggle between players but that is just footy.

In terms of a rep side, I would say that ADFA have at least 8-10 players who would be valuable members of any Div 3 combined side. Their scheudles are bloody tight though so I doubt they could contribute unfortunately.

 

[Beans]

The ADFA Rams boys often get a bad wrap around the league which I think is pretty unfair.

They are all great young men who really love their footy and generally play a skillful, running game in great spirt.

Maggy's post above is factually inaccurate. I was at the game and NO ADFA player abused any supporter. There was a bit of niggle between players but that is just footy.

In terms of a rep side, I would say that ADFA have at least 8-10 players who would be valuable members of any Div 3 combined side. Their scheudles are bloody tight though so I doubt they could contribute unfortunately.

I think you have it wrong buddy, Belconnen players were abused by ADFA supporters on their way out the gate.

 

[3rd Grade Maggy]

The ADFA Rams boys often get a bad wrap around the league which I think is pretty unfair.

They are all great young men who really love their footy and generally play a skillful, running game in great spirt.

Maggy's post above is factually inaccurate. I was at the game and NO ADFA player abused any supporter. There was a bit of niggle between players but that is just footy.

In terms of a rep side, I would say that ADFA have at least 8-10 players who would be valuable members of any Div 3 combined side. Their scheudles are bloody tight though so I doubt they could contribute unfortunately.

Yeah nice one Wally Webcam.

All I know is that the fitness machine that is 'the pride of the nation' has been run over twice in the last two games by a team of amateurs who complain about havnig to train 2 nights a week.

 

[Boneless23]

Haha....you blokes are too precious. Abuse??? Pfft, you wouldn't want to go to a Collingwood-Richmond game with your fragile sensitivities!!

 

[twobobs]

Haha....you blokes are too precious. Abuse??? Pfft, you wouldn't want to go to a Collingwood-Richmond game with your fragile sensitivities!!

I actually played in this particular game, and the banter on the field was tolerable and added to what ended up being a great game of footy. What I disagree with is one of our players being told by an ADFA player in the carpark after the match to "watch his back next time we play" - a touch unnecessary I think, and cowardly given this same ADFA player backed down pretty quickly on the field....
Other than that I enjoy the tough contests against ADFA, the supporters are knobs though, a good example includes the young ADFA chick at last years GF running onto the field at the conclusion of the game and abusing Magpies players (yes, the foul mouthed thing used that word) and that we didnt deserve the premiership. I guess this is gonna happen when the cadets dont get out too much and when they do they have no idea how to have a drink without going too far???

 

[shanefos]

...and that we didnt deserve the premiership...

Mate, didn't you know? Teams winning the Premiership and not deserving it is the new black!

 

[twobobs]

just to clarify (as my previous post was edited) - the young "lady" at the GF referred to Magpies players as female genitalia - in the derogatory sense. I only put it in my original post to show a pretty clear example of how bad the ADFA crowd behaviour can be, even after the final siren has sounded.

 

[southcab]

just to clarify (as my previous post was edited) - the young "lady" at the GF referred to Magpies players as female genitalia - in the derogatory sense. I only put it in my original post to show a pretty clear example of how bad the ADFA crowd behaviour can be, even after the final siren has sounded.

I wonder if she is the same one involved in the spy who shagged me

 

[Boneless23]

Yep, I was at the GF and I was bloody disappointed by the conduct of the girl in question. It was one of the worse things I have seen on a footy field and I was embarrassed to be associated with the Rams that day.

I am glad you said it was a good game on Saturday. The Rams were all over it in the first half and the Magpies experience and control of the footy enabled them to get back into the game in the third quarter.

It should be cracker of a game next time the two sides play. I am looking forward to it!!

 

[up da middle]

impossible to predict but heres a crack at div 4 ladder

BELCO
YASS
ANU
TUGGERANONG
EASTLAKE
GOULBURN
HARMAN
COOMA
MURRUMBIDGEE
COOTA
ADFA
GUNGAHLIN

is it too late to change mt mind on belco. i think top spot is off the table and a top 4 finish is slipping. not writing them off yet but they had better pull their fingers out quickly to keep finals dream alive. yass anu and tuggers should be top 4 imo but who knows. how are we all finding the club umpire situation ??? coota still enjoying having 2 umpires. also a note for all other clubs, if you have a club umpire available to take to coota.... for gods sake do it, otherwise they will supply two rip snorters. just ask tuggeranong

 

[Snap Shot]

I think the club umpire situation is ridiculous but can't be helped if they don't have the numbers to supply umpires.

The ACTAFL should be asking clubs to nominate one or 2 people to do a basic umpiring course. You can't keep supplying people who barely know the rules, where to be in regards to the play and how to protect a player with his head over the ball. There has to be a duty of care some where.

Before anyone says it, I know some umpires lack these skills as well but they are learning and providing a service for us out of their own time.

 

[Growling Ferret]

Have there been any players suspended from club umpire reports?

No need for details, but do clubs believe they recieved a fair hearing or is there a better way?

 

[ilovemeatpies]

Snapshot said "The ACTAFL should be asking clubs to nominate one or 2 people to do a basic umpiring course. You can't keep supplying people who barely know the rules, where to be in regards to the play and how to protect a player with his head over the ball. There has to be a duty of care some where."

Well the information I heard was exactly that, all club managers were asked to publicise the fact that Div 4 and Women's were going to use Club Umpires and even put on a date on their training night on where to attend. Not enough people replied so instead was a theory session held instead for the club umpires at Manuka with a choice of 2 Wed Nights.

Now if people don't want to turn up, that's their prerogative but don't let other people complain about AFL Canberra, they've set up the opportunities for people to attend.

And I totally agree with Snapshot - it's better sitting on the sideline having a coldie and a snag than being out there blowing a whistle! Let's give the club umpires a fair go and evaluate if it really made the difference to your team's fortunes at the end of the season.

 

[The Spoiler]

is it too late to change mt mind on belco. i think top spot is off the table and a top 4 finish is slipping. not writing them off yet but they had better pull their fingers out quickly to keep finals dream alive. yass anu and tuggers should be top 4 imo but who knows. how are we all finding the club umpire situation ??? coota still enjoying having 2 umpires. also a note for all other clubs, if you have a club umpire available to take to coota.... for gods sake do it, otherwise they will supply two rip snorters. just ask tuggeranong

Always been that way at Coota. One year I was playing down there it was blatant cheating and even their players were embarrased about some of the free kicks they were getting in the second half.

Snap Shot probably should have a chat to a few people on the committee. there was a call for all clubs to supply two club umpires from early in January and the offer for training to help them out. No point whinging about it now -we all knew it was coming in.

As for the rest of the year. forget belco for the finals. they may struggle to finish the year with the numbers they have turning up. apparently it is a very rich but unhappy club all round at the moment.

 

[bob te builder]

As for the rest of the year. forget belco for the finals. they may struggle to finish the year with the numbers they have turning up. apparently it is a very rich but unhappy club all round at the moment.

Here we go again.......You are a dead set weed Spoiler, doesn't matter how often you get sprayed you keep popping up.

 

[Growling Ferret]

Well the information I heard was exactly that, all club managers were asked to publicise the fact that Div 4 and Women's were going to use Club Umpires and even put on a date on their training night on where to attend. Not enough people replied so instead was a theory session held instead for the club umpires at Manuka with a choice of 2 Wed Nights.

Now if people don't want to turn up, that's their prerogative but don't let other people complain about AFL Canberra, they've set up the opportunities for people to attend.

Meat Pies - you are spot on. There was a League meeting to discuss that was attended by three or four clubs only. There was plenty of info sent out by AFLCba.

The concept of Club umpires sucks, but clubs had months to try to organise a few people, and most seem to have found a way to make it work.

 

[Snap Shot]

Wow, interesting, I don't recall hearing anything from the club about these sessions being held by the ACT AFL. I would have gone along.

I knew it was going to be hard on Div 4 and the Women's though. Spoke to a couple of current umpires including field and goal and they were saying it is hard to retain the umpires, given the amount of crap they cop each week. I don't blame them but I also think at times they need to get a thicker skin.

The moment the crap starts penalise, it will soon stop. If it continues and gets out of control then ACT AFL should approach the club administration and give them a warning regarding player professionalism and conduct, put the onus back on the club to ensure their players are doing the right thing.

So Belco is struggling to get numbers also? Why is their low morale at Maggie land? I heard they had strong numbers early on.

 

[juicyfruit]

Here we go again.......You are a dead set weed Spoiler, doesn't matter how often you get sprayed you keep popping up.

And here i was thinking this was a forum.Keep growing weed

 

[up da middle]

And here i was thinking this was a forum.Keep growing weed

oh no the fruit with the most juice is back.
on the club umpire thing, surely a club as big and experienced as eastlake could supply better than a 17 year old kid who had only unpired one under 8s game and barely played himself. admire the kid for having a go, but i think more respect should be given to who is sent out to do the job, it may only be div 4 but player safety and fairness should also be considered. And i will say it again, make sure all clubs send one to coota, otherwise they will take control and 9 times out of ten you will lose.

 

[Snap Shot]

oh no the fruit with the most juice is back.
on the club umpire thing, surely a club as big and experienced as eastlake could supply better than a 17 year old kid who had only unpired one under 8s game and barely played himself. admire the kid for having a go, but i think more respect should be given to who is sent out to do the job, it may only be div 4 but player safety and fairness should also be considered. And i will say it again, make sure all clubs send one to coota, otherwise they will take control and 9 times out of ten you will lose.

Good on the kid for getting out there, Eastlake, you can do better than that.

Completely agree with what you are saying, and it just reinforces my point.

If the League is going to mandate this they need to set out some guidelines the club is to abide by when supplying a club umpire.

 

[Growling Ferret]

If the League is going to mandate this they need to set out some guidelines the club is to abide by when supplying a club umpire.

Club umpires are expected to attend a minimum number of training sessions to get accreditation.

I know if we were asked to provide a club umpire for Division 3, we would struggle week in week out. We'd have 3 or 4 guys who might be able to do it, but you would have weeks where nobody was available...

Jock and Rusty - I know you blokes read this, so get a log in and explain what is going on.

 

[up da middle]

Good on the kid for getting out there, Eastlake, you can do better than that.

Completely agree with what you are saying, and it just reinforces my point.

If the League is going to mandate this they need to set out some guidelines the club is to abide by when supplying a club umpire.

and to make matters worse, they bought him a $4 whistle that barely worked, and abused him a fair bit during the game.
as for training as a club umpire, i retired from playing so i could have more free time for my family and if i was asked to travel to canberra to train then i am afraid i would throw it in. maybe if they offered more money and a travel allowance then it would be more appealing for others. I am just doing it to stay involved and so we can keep playing. my first gig went ok, didnt realise how much running was involved though, couldnt even drink a frothy after the game , had to go home for a nana nap before i went to work that night. didnt receive much abuse and both clubs seemed happy. i have played nearly 400 games and know most of the rules, but missed a few things that i couldnt see because of where i was on the ground, i umpired like i was still playing, following the ball too much and not looking out for behind the play stuff, if i got questioned i answered honestly and told them what i saw or didnt see, that seemed to work, nothing worse than asking an umpire a simple question and receiving no response or a 50 mt penalty. looking forward to my next game

 

[Snap Shot]

GF.
There in lies another problem. The clubs are only going to supply a person on a game by game basis and to only be 'expected' to turn up is not right. It should be put in writing that by Tuesday evening (for example) each club is to supply the names of 2 people, 1 definite and 1 back up and the name should be checked off. If the club has not supplied the names or the people in question don't turn up on the Thursday or whatever then the club should be hit with a $100 fine or something. Again an onus needs to be put back on the club.

UDM.
I think it is poor performance on behalf of Eastlake. I can't count how many times I have been to games and they have had a decent number of players on the sideline not playing but happy to gob off at the umpiring. (most clubs do of course)
I know we (The Jets like a lot of clubs) have appreciated and respected club umpires and their efforts, without them we wouldn't be running around. We even had one of our Div 2 players come down and help out a League umpire to umpire a women's game.

As GF pointed out, if Rusty and Co read these boards then get on here and have a say or take what we are putting out there, on board and be a little more pro active to make it fair and equitable for everyone.

 

[southcab]

If jock and rusty were to post on here thats all they would have time to do,if you need clarifiation on something have your secretary contact them.
Jock came to our first game against coota and while im sure he would have noted how poor the men in the middle preformed he has no choice but to go along with them.

Instead of him sitting in his car eating pies and passing messages through the club for certain people (namely me) to stick to coaching and not ask about certain decisions,perhaps he could join them on the feild to assit.

Surely there are enough numbers to have 1 leauge and 1 club umpire at matches ,atleast then the leauge umpire could over rule if he sees fit,The club umpires could do half a game each if so desired.

 

[hangdog]

How are the Jet's looking in 4th Div this weekend? Three forfeits in a row (two against ANU) would be fairly devestating for Gungahlin and all clubs concerned. Hope they can get a game in.

Is there a limit to the number of times you can forfeit in a season?