AFL Industry - Voice Against Gender-Based Violence

[Muddiemoose]

So brave of the AFL.

Meanwhile they breed an entire generation of gambling addicts with their gambling sponsorships and the incessant advertising on their website, during games etc.

Got to tip your hat off to the AFL.

Yup it’s hypocrisy at its best one can only hope that with enough public pressure we see more clubs move away from them as a revenue stream and also the AFL eventually doing the same

Although I dare say the AFL will be milking the cash cow for quite a long time yet

 

[zyzzbruh]

If advertising didn’t work, companies wouldn’t spend absurd amounts of money on it.

They're not accountable for domestic violence. I agree with the Candian Club ad that beer does not have to be the king of summer, but that hasn't made me turn into an alcoholic or hurt my wife. Nor would it be the reason if i did.

 

[Muddiemoose]

Couldn't give a toss about Tate but some of the hot topics surrounding him are misconceived as toxic because of how abrupt he is when in actuality the moral of most of his views are based on self accountability. Accountability is actually the cure to this issue rather the diverting blame to external people or things. Society these days is actually encouraged to blame their problems on anything and everything other than themselves. i.e, old m8 didnt bash his wife because of gambling, drugs + alcohol and lack of stance by public bodies like the AFL. He bashed his wife because he chose to do those things, including the bashing.

To an extent but you can’t discount the predatory tactics of these companies either

Things like Sportsbets “bet with mates” is essentially weaponising peer pressure to punters to keep them throwing a multi on and that’s just one example of manny, throw in the fact these tactics are being aimed and exposed at people under legal gambling age and I’m not sure you can only blame individuals

 

[PP34]

Yup it’s hypocrisy at its best one can only hope that with enough public pressure we see more clubs move away from them as a revenue stream and also the AFL eventually doing the same

Although I dare say the AFL will be milking the cash cow for quite a long time yet

It’s so ingrained in our society it’s hard to see much changing for years to come.

I at least hope we see some more regulations on gambling advertising but I’m not holding my breath.

I used to think a decade ago the advertising was absurd and having a big impact on young mates at the time.

A decade later it’s even worse and the way it is framed is even worse with the companies marketing casually pissing away money on every footy game as a social thing for you and your mates. Not great at all for a young immature teen.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I will however pay credit to Don Pyke who is a league leader in actually stepping up to the plate in this regard. Substance to his voice.

A lot of other clubs, including my own, would do well to look in their own backyard.

He is just hiding the fact he has employed those with criminal records against women on multiple occassions. Best to speak the loudest so people cant see your past

 

[PP34]

They're not accountable for domestic violence. I agree with the Candian Club ad that beer does not have to be the king of summer, but that hasn't made me turn into an alcoholic or hurt my wife. Nor would it be the reason if i did.

Of course people are responsible for their own decisions.

But when we’re talking about young people with brains yet to fully develop they are very easy to suck in with all the manipulative advertising.

To existing gambling addicts these ads can be like a timely reminder to go and put some bets on.

Financial difficulty can be a factor in abusive households and gambling absolutely has an impact on that.

Gambling companies are also actually forced to refer people to family welfare services etc when they sound like they’re in difficulty so to say they’re not responsible at all is flat out wrong.

 

[Greggy Dee]

Considering one player's personal connection with a recent victim of domestic violence, I'd sincerely hope that TT is not someone on we would be looking at getting.

 

[zyzzbruh]

To an extent but you can’t discount the predatory tactics of these companies either

Things like Sportsbets “bet with mates” is essentially weaponising peer pressure to punters to keep them throwing a multi on and that’s just one example of manny, throw in the fact these tactics are being aimed and exposed at people under legal gambling age and I’m not sure you can only blame individuals

BS. You can and should only blame the individual.

This is the exact shit im talking about. The more you divert blame the bigger these issues will become. And it's ironic because you think that kind of opinion is helping when it is in fact doing the exact opposite.

There's nothing wrong with betting with mates if you want to do it and are staying within your limits. If you want to misconceive it as predatory or the reason for your gambling problem, look in the mirror instead.

The only people that have any responsibility regarding these things is parents who are raising their children. It's definitely not the AFL's problem let alone gambling ads or the AFL's support of it. See how many layers of blame people are willing to accept, geez.

 

[beez]

Rehabilitation is such a bs narrative.

He can get all the social rehabilitation he needs by working a normal job with a normal salary. If Essendon want to go down the rehab route, give him an office or landscaping job at The Hangar.

Maybe think about that, Brad.

 

[M Malice]

More about keeping the issue in the public consciousness and implementing societal changes and public pressure

Normal people calling out behaviour they see or suspect of people they know instead of just letting it go or pretending it’s none of their business

Also potentially helps give victims the courage to stand up and make changes or get themselves out of a situation that is toxic/ abusive

I would have thought that was going on now, I hope people don't stand around silent.

It's like racism, if you don't know it is abhorrent behaviour by now you are in need of some serious mental health intervention.

 

[Cyber_punk]

Couldn't give a toss about Tate but some of the hot topics surrounding him are misconceived as toxic because of how abrupt he is when in actuality the moral of most of his views are based on self accountability. Accountability is actually the cure to this issue rather the diverting blame to external people or things. Society these days is actually encouraged to blame their problems on anything and everything other than themselves. i.e, old m8 bashed his wife because of gambling, drugs + alcohol and lack of stance by public bodies like the AFL. How about NO, He bashed his wife because he chose to do those things, including the bashing.

Tate's entire spiel is telling young men they are are victims of an oppressive gynocentric society ("The Matrix") and that women are to blame for the downfall of it. It was literally the first thing he did when he was arrested along with stuff like "women bear some responsibility" for their own rapes.

 

[zyzzbruh]

Of course people are responsible for their own decisions.

But when we’re talking about young people with brains yet to fully develop they are very easy to suck in with all the manipulative advertising.

To existing gambling addicts these ads can be like a timely reminder to go and put some bets on.

Financial difficulty can be a factor in abusive households and gambling absolutely has an impact on that.

Gambling companies are also actually forced to refer people to family welfare services etc when they sound like they’re in difficulty so to say they’re not responsible at all is flat out wrong.

If you want to teach your kids that it's ok to blame other things for a hole they dig for themselves, go all out. It enables people to justify why they do things.

If you want to go down that rabbit hole then lets make the AFL accountable for severe depression, they should fold clubs like North Melbourne before their supporters get to the point of wanting to drive off a bridge rather than showing up at work on Monday mornings.

 

[Teen Wolf]

Yep that's it all they do is wear orange socks once a year.

You may have missed the part of the work they do in schools and workplaces along with raising awareness about the issue.

You may have missed the point I was making by being needlessly defensive.

The Carlton Respects program started as a "raising awareness"/"educate the public" thing, but grew into something which now impacts decisions about who the club employs.

 

[Elixuh]

We are currently existing in probably the second worst environment for DV, unfortunately.

Economy softening, house prices out of control and people struggling to get by with cost of living and inflation. Those stresses have increased instances of DV over the past 18 months and make it more difficult for victims to remove themselves from abusive environments.

Instead of standing around for a minutes silence they should broadcast a 2min message about DV, much more effective. The AFL could work with the clubs and advocates to put something serious and meaningful. Imo the minutes silence stuff (if that is what is proposed) isn’t that effective.

 

[RUNVS]

I think the sentencing for DV is way too light as well. The amount of people found guilty of it who don't even go to prison is pretty high. DV should be treated much more seriously within the justice system and domestic violence charges should get double the penalty of a usual assault outside a pub.

 

[EagleMan87]

If you want to teach your kids that it's ok to blame other things for a hole they dig for themselves, go all out. It enables people to justify why they do things.

If you want to go down that rabbit hole then lets make the AFL accountable for severe depression, they should fold clubs like North Melbourne before their supporters get to the point of wanting to drive off a bridge rather than showing up at work on Monday mornings.

Who here is blaming things other than the individual for DV?

The fact is that people are influenced by their surroundings, including by advertisements. To think otherwise is naive at best.

 

[Muddiemoose]

BS. You can and should only blame the individual.

This is the exact s**t im talking about. The more you divert blame the bigger these issues will become. And it's ironic because you think that kind of opinion is helping when it is in fact doing the exact opposite.

There's nothing wrong with betting with mates if you want to do it and are staying within your limits. If you want to misconceive it as predatory or the reason for your gambling problem, look in the mirror instead.

But that’s the issue, Gambling is an addiction and although it is absolutely fine for you and I to have a flutter and know our limits a lot of people simply do not have the ability to regulate themselves at all and they are actively trying to target young people and getting them to engage with them

It’s like giving heroin to a teenager and blaming them for becoming an addict for some people

 

[PP34]

If you want to teach your kids that it's ok to blame other things for a hole they dig for themselves, go all out. It enables people to justify why they do things.

If you want to go down that rabbit hole then lets make the AFL accountable for severe depression, they should fold clubs like North Melbourne before their supporters get to the point of wanting to drive off a bridge rather than showing up at work on Monday mornings.

All I’m saying is the AFL has no leg to stand on while they are arm in arm with gambling sponsors who bombard people with ads during the footy.

This pre game stuff is nothing but another example of a corporation getting on their moral horse when they really have no leg to stand on.

Gambling, booze etc are factors in domestic violence, it’s wrong to pretend they’re not.

Saying predatory advertising has a hand in their prevalence and normalisation in society isn’t absolving individuals from their own behaviours.

As I said if advertising didn’t work, companies wouldn’t have been using it for a 100+ years.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

BS. You can and should only blame the individual.

This is the exact s**t im talking about. The more you divert blame the bigger these issues will become. And it's ironic because you think that kind of opinion is helping when it is in fact doing the exact opposite.

There's nothing wrong with betting with mates if you want to do it and are staying within your limits. If you want to misconceive it as predatory or the reason for your gambling problem, look in the mirror instead.

The only people that have any responsibility regarding these things is parents who are raising their children. It's definitely not the AFL's problem let alone gambling ads or the AFL's support of it. See how many layers of blame people are willing to accept, geez.

It is my problem and our problem when people steal, bash people, commit fraud and murders to feed their gambling issues....

This absurd concept that is has no community consequence is just brainwashing 101 by the companies involved

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

So unsuprisingly no Australian studies occur on the subject so can only rely on US ones

In US, 38.5% of problem gramblers will commit domestic violence which is more then triple the national average of 11.2% in US....

It does matter

 

[PP34]

But that’s the issue, Gambling is an addiction and although it is absolutely fine for you and I to have a flutter and know our limits a lot of people simply do not have the ability to regulate themselves at all and they are actively trying to target young people and getting them to engage with them

It’s like giving heroin to a teenager and blaming them for becoming an addict for some people

Just shows a complete naivety to both addiction and how these gambling companies operate.

They don’t spend millions on ‘fun’ ads with celebrities, relatable groups of characters etc to give everyone a laugh.

Their bet with mates, social groups recently added etc aren’t done because they want everyone to a a fun time gambling. It’s predatory shit targeted at impressionable young blokes who don’t know any better.

Then we’ll see men addicted as they grow up and all sorts of problems arise such as domestic violence.

 

[Teen Wolf]

Gambling and alcohol does not shape one's attitude towards women, merely exposes it.

If you want to accuse the league of being hypocrites, how about start with... their treatment of women.

23-round season for AFL and an 11-round season for AFLW prrrrrobably sends the message out into society that the two sexes aren't worthy of equal treatment.

 

[RUNVS]

So unsuprisingly no Australian studies occur on the subject so can only rely on US ones

In US, 38.5% of problem gramblers will commit domestic violence which is more then triple the national average of 11.2% in US....

It does matter

Not surprising some people think "my life is shit as I ****ed it up so I am going to take out my anger on my wife and kids"

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Gambling and alcohol does not shape one's attitude towards women, merely exposes it.

If you want to criticise the league of being hypocrites, how about start with... their treatment of women.

23-round season for AFL and an 11-round season for AFLW prrrrrobably sends the message out into society that the two sexes aren't worthy of equal treatment.

The exposure of it is the problem. Ive never heard of someone being arrested and jailed for a bad attitude in Australia atleast

 

[Muddiemoose]

Just shows a complete naivety to both addiction and how these gambling companies operate.

They don’t spend millions on ‘fun’ ads with celebrities, relatable groups of characters etc to give everyone a laugh.

Their bet with mates, social groups recently added etc aren’t done because they want everyone to a a fun time gambling. It’s predatory s**t targeted at impressionable young blokes who don’t know any better.

Then we’ll see men addicted as they grow up and all sorts of problems arise such as domestic violence.

Old mate probably thinks the Epping plaza hotel is open to 4am EVERY single night due to drink sales and absolutely nothing to do with preying on people with legitimate addictions