AFL overtaking NRL in QLD

[RedV3x]

Membership is not the inherent part of rugby league culture that it is in AFL.

Attendance is not the inherent part of rugby league culture that it is in AFL.

 

[RedV3x]

it has a following of sorts in WA i

In the k.p.i. of NRL, that is ratings - there isn't any.

 

[RedV3x]

Most games are typically boring though.

It's a bit like soccer where the bigger games have more interest primarily because there is more at stake,
not that they are any better.

I have gotten used to the "arm wrestles" in AFL where almost every game plays out like a G.F.
but I still probably hanker for the days of high scoring and shootouts.

 

[Bjo187]

Cool. Should I lose my shit because you argued a point no one was making and that I literally said myself in my post when I said ‘it’s probably partly BECAUSE you don’t have to worry about getting a ticket to a rugby league match’?

Back to your Dally Messenger voodoo doll love.

Dr Fujak actually says in his book that it's more to do with the fact nrl clubs were never motivated to widen their fanbase, as they had an over reliance on pokies and the money that brought in, so were lazy in trying to draw in more football revenue. Still today the gap in football based revenue between afl and nrl clubs is huge, as they (nrl clubs) bring in most of their revenue from their pokies/league clubs, which most afl clubs have gotten rid of.

 

[PhatBoy]

Dr Fujak actually says in his book that it's more to do with the fact nrl clubs were never motivated to widen their fanbase, as they had an over reliance on pokies and the money that brought in, so were lazy in trying to draw in more football revenue. Still today the gap in football revenue between afl and nrl clubs is huge, as they bring in most of their revenue from their pokies/league clubs, which most afl clubs have gotten rid of.

They do. Penrith has a whole bunch of satellite clubs - one right here where I am among them - as well as a number of others - that bring in huge amounts of finances. Souths and Souths Juniors had a huge revenue stream from it as well at some stage, Wests as well I’m pretty sure. Newcastle are tied to a big one i think, Parramatta too. Not as certain about the Queensland clubs though the original incarnation of Gold Coast had a huge leagues club affiliation from memory

 

[RedV3x]

Dr Fujak actually says in his book that it's more to do with the fact nrl clubs were never motivated to widen their fanbase, as they had an over reliance on pokies and the money that brought in, so were lazy in trying to draw in more football revenue. Still today the gap in football revenue between afl and nrl clubs is huge, as they bring in most of their revenue from their pokies/league clubs, which most afl clubs have gotten rid of.

This may be part of it but IMO it's something more basic.
In the days of the WAFL (and equivalent leagues) there was a desire for football fans to attend as many matches as possible and if you could afford it, then buy a membership.
Coming to Sydney and the NSWRL it just seemed that fans would cherry pick the best games if anything.
This could be because of the old excuse of transport, getting to games spread across the breadth of Sydney
which is not as easy as other Australian cities.

 

[Bjo187]

They do. Penrith has a whole bunch of satellite clubs - one right here where I am among them - as well as a number of others - that bring in huge amounts of finances. Souths and Souths Juniors had a huge revenue stream from it as well at some stage, Wests as well I’m pretty sure. Newcastle are tied to a big one i think, Parramatta too. Not as certain about the Queensland clubs though the original incarnation of Gold Coast had a huge leagues club affiliation from memory

One of the reasons the government in nsw will never truly crack down on pokies I reckon. The lobbying that would take place from the rugby league fraternity/their media and the government absolutely raking it in off the pokies themselves. I think the suns and giants actually make more off the football side of their businesses already, than a lot of long established nrl clubs do.

 

[PhatBoy]

One of the reasons the government in nsw will never truly crack down on pokies I reckon. The lobbying that would take place from the rugby league fraternity/their media and the government absolutely raking it in off the pokies themselves. I think the suns and giants actually make more off the football side of their businesses already, than a lot of long established nrl clubs do.

It’s a sad state of affairs

 

[RedV3x]

One of the reasons the government in nsw will never truly crack down on pokies I reckon. The lobbying that would take place from the rugby league fraternity/their media and the government absolutely raking it in off the pokies themselves. I think the suns and giants actually make more off the football side of their businesses already, than a lot of long established nrl clubs do.

That's why there was so much talk of an association with Southport AFC.
On the conspiracy side of things the SCG trust would never allow the Swans to build a home venue at the SCG.

 

[Bjo187]

That's why there was so much talk of an association with Southport AFC.
On the conspiracy side of things the SCG trust would never allow the Swans to build a home venue at the SCG.

I think in a market where it's accepted for sports clubs to have a social club with a restaurant and pokies that bring in millions per year, the afl missed a beat by trying to morally high ground and 'go without'. Barely anybody would know or care if they had them or not in nsw and qld.

They cost themselves and the competition minimum 100 million dollars by doing this, money which could have gone into grassroots and promotion in w.s and the g.c and strengthened the 2 expansion clubs significantly. Also I feel like having a 'league club' really helps with local community engagement, you can always sell them at a later date if need be.

 

[Fire]

They cost themselves and the competition minimum 100 million dollars by doing this, money which could have gone into grassroots and promotion in w.s and the g.c and strengthened the 2 expansion clubs significantly. Also I feel like having a 'league club' really helps with local community engagement, you can always sell them at a later date if need be.

That's fine, being a non profit means you shouldn't be driving your community into the ground, and as a result they have been forced to build more reliable and structural revenue streams instead of just taking the easy fix. This is just one brick in why the AFL is better run financially.

Also no, if any regulation came in which closed pokies and forced the sale of the 'clubs', then they will only be worth the real estate on which they stand. So they aren't really conventional assets in that sense. They are either worth something, or nothing, depending on what the government says.

 

[Bjo187]

That's fine, being a non profit means you shouldn't be driving your community into the ground, and as a result they have been forced to build more reliable and structural revenue streams instead of just taking the easy fix. This is just one brick in why the AFL is better run financially.

Also no, if any regulation came in which closed pokies and forced the sale of the 'clubs', then they will only be worth the real estate on which they stand. So they aren't really conventional assets in that sense. They are either worth something, or nothing, depending on what the government says.

I agree they should be banned or regulated into an inch of their life, it just seems silly to me you put your new clubs and sport at a significant disadvantage to it's competitors by choice.

I like what the hawks did, built their war chest then sold out when they found potential new revenue streams, but likely ones only available due to their massive revenues brought about by their clubs over many years.

I know the suns and giants have opened childcare centres, but they had to do that off no financial base so it will be another financial hit for a while.

 

[Sphynx]

They do. Penrith has a whole bunch of satellite clubs - one right here where I am among them - as well as a number of others - that bring in huge amounts of finances. Souths and Souths Juniors had a huge revenue stream from it as well at some stage, Wests as well I’m pretty sure. Newcastle are tied to a big one i think, Parramatta too. Not as certain about the Queensland clubs though the original incarnation of Gold Coast had a huge leagues club affiliation from memory

Canterbury Bulldogs have the largest.

They are the major shareholder of the Canterbury Leagues club which rakes in close to $100m per annum.

The Leagues club regularly floats money across to keep the NRL club solvent.

But their revenue is comparable to the West Coast Eagles.

 

[GC2015]

Not as certain about the Queensland clubs though the original incarnation of Gold Coast had a huge leagues club affiliation from memory

The Gold Coast-Tweed Seagulls definitely benefitted greatly from revenue produced by pokies in their leagues club in the late 80s/early 90s. That all changed in the 1992 when Queensland legalised pokies and instead of going over the border to play at the Seagulls leagues club, Queenslanders stayed in their home state and teams like the Southport Sharks became extremely profitable. This led to the Seagulls needing to pull out of the NSWRL.

 

[Aussie in exile]

Are there any independent links to back up the claim that AFL is overtaking the NRL in QLD?
If so, can someone post them as i can''t find any

 

[RedV3x]

Are there any independent links to back up the claim that AFL is overtaking the NRL in QLD?
If so, can someone post them as i can''t find any

There are statistics, statistics and damn statistics.
Certain statistics are used as k.p.i.
One BF poster counts the number of fans looking at a TV screen in the middle of nowhere as a k.p.i.

 

[Aussie in exile]

One of the reasons the government in nsw will never truly crack down on pokies I reckon. The lobbying that would take place from the rugby league fraternity/their media and the government absolutely raking it in off the pokies themselves. I think the suns and giants actually make more off the football side of their businesses already, than a lot of long established nrl clubs do.

There are statistics, statistics and damn statistics.
Certain statistics are used as k.p.i.
One BF poster counts the number of fans looking at a TV screen in the middle of nowhere as a k.p.i.

So there isn't a independent link from a reputable company to back up the claim?

 

[RedV3x]

So there isn't a independent link from a reputable company to back up the claim?

There are statistics, statistics and damn statistics.
Certain statistics are used as k.p.i.
One BF poster counts the number of fans looking at a TV screen in the middle of nowhere as a k.p.i.

Even a casual observation of the AFL k.p.i. shows continual improvement.and that's all that really matters.

 

[GC2015]

So there isn't a independent link from a reputable company to back up the claim?

There was this post on the Courier Mail's Facebook page last week. It's not a great source of data, but there are more reactions agreeing with the AFL overtaking the NRL in Queensland than those who don't agree. The fact that the Courier Mail is even asking that question shows the game has come a long way up here.

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[Aussie in exile]

There are statistics, statistics and damn statistics.
Certain statistics are used as k.p.i.
One BF poster counts the number of fans looking at a TV screen in the middle of nowhere as a k.p.i.

Even a casual observation of the AFL k.p.i. shows continual improvement.and that's all that really matters.

The thread says "AFL overtaking NRL is QLD" continual improvement isn't doing what the thread says.
AFL K.P. I's are not independent, which i was asking about.

 

[RedV3x]

The thread says "AFL overtaking NRL is QLD" continual improvement isn't doing what the thread says.

Yes, but it's a catchier title than "Is the continual improvement of AFL's Queensland k.p.i. a demonstration that AFL is indeed overtaking the NRL's effort in Queensland ?".

AFL K.P. I's are not independent, which i was asking about.

Can you provide a link that shows that k.p.i. used by the AFL are not independent ?

 

[The_Wookie]

The thread says "AFL overtaking NRL is QLD" continual improvement isn't doing what the thread says.
AFL K.P. I's are not independent, which i was asking about.

its a pretty unreasonable request. There are few indeoendent sources for this sort of data. You can only go by what governing bodies provide, and sometimes Ausplay data.

 

[LordLucifer]

Introduce a second club based in Brisbane & have a Melbourne club relocate to the Sunshine Coast and the game will be really zinging in QLD.

Bring it on !!

 

[GC2015]

Introduce a second club based in Brisbane & have a Melbourne club relocate to the Sunshine Coast and the game will be really zinging in QLD.

Bring it on !!

... or combine the two and create a direct competitor to the NRL's Dolphins. North Brisbane that play most games at the Gabba/new stadium and a game or two on the Sunshine Coast every year. If the Lions keep this going, Brisbane2 will become a serious proposition.

 

[RedV3x]

... or combine the two and create a direct competitor to the NRL's Dolphins.

There cannot be any direct competition for the Dolphins as the NRL chose a rusted-on r.l. club
but an AFL club representing Nth Brisbane to Sunshine Coast would give a lot of people
another option as many are new to the area and more open to modern options.