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Then enter a team in the AFL not a country kick-a-bout league
i think its wicked.
Player Points System is extremely effective in creating an even competition which is the goal of most leagues, which it then comes down to the administration skill of clubs.. It has been extremely successful in the MPNFL and WGLFL in creating an exciting competitions as it doesn't come down to just how much money a club has, but puts the emphasis on juniors coming through the clubs which also allows you to sign a few gun players too.
Think of it this way, all fans would be screaming if the AFL abandoned the salary cap, draft etc. and allowed the richest teams to buy the best players.
Think of it this way, all fans would be screaming if the AFL abandoned the salary cap, draft etc. and allowed the richest teams to buy the best players.
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Well guess what - this is the real world and obviously the clubs that are doing it and the players that are doing it don't agree with you. If you want to live in your sheltered, hand-holding world then go ahead but don't hold others back who want to strive for bigger and better things.
If you don't own the club then don't tell them what to do. Start a new league if you don't want to move with the times.
Kris Barlow was a mature age recruit out of the EFL, of course he was always going to go back. Would prefer to see more ex-AFL players go back to their original club. Simon Godfrey probably would have gone back to mitcham if they hadn't slipped to divvy 3
BLPC08
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I highly doubt that he would, the club is in a financial crisis - he would prefer the money I would have thought.
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Does anybody think its time for a suburban super league ?
BLPC08
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There is one, its called the Eastern Football League Division 1
Do you play football?
Any league and basically any division is super-competitive. Everyone should know this. When many leagues around the state are getting 5k+ easily to their GF's I simply don't know how they can be called kickabout leagues. Not too mention the cash flow going through these local leagues.
8000 people rock up to watch a GF. $13 each for entry. $104,000 just for entry not including the alcohol, food and merchandise for a day of football.
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What about including Diamond Valley ,Northern etc the no1's from each league to play off
I think one of the minor leagues around Bendigo in the VCFL have been trialling the points system and have found a few major flaws
1. The clubs down the bottom of the ladder cannot recruit enough good players to become competitive before they use up their points
2. Some of the stronger clubs have had the many of the same players for a few years, so the points for most of their players have reduced to minimum, or near minimum, while the team remains strong.
3.Some of the players on minimum points want a lot more coin from the clubs they are at, as they realise that the club cannot fit many new recruits under the points cap.
But i assume that things would even out in a few years as all teams start to turn over players
If you had bothered to read what I said 'genius' you would have seen that I said I can understand both points of view on this. I also said nothing negative about players or clubs that are signing big names, but directed my comments at your moronic assertion that we should treat all clubs no matter what level of football they play as a business and nothing else.
To do this would be to let many 100+ year old community based football clubs wither and die which is in nobodies interest, not the AFL trying to promote the game at grass roots and maximise participation, not the community in which these clubs provide an outlet for everyone to play our game even if they are not at an elite level and least of all powerful clubs who at the end of the day require someone to beat.
I encourage you to strive for "bigger and better things" next week when you will no doubt be back at school, pehaps learning something of the "real world" of which you seem to have exclusive expert knowledge.
Major flaws is going a bit over the top don't you think?? The Points systems should be flexible to allow for different challenges for each league, and usually take several years to show results.
E.g. West Gippy system allocates points based on the size of the townships - so the smaller the town base the extra points you get.
1. Clubs down the bottom can be allowed extra points to encourage recruiting good players
2. That is the idea to keep good players for several seasons, if lower clubs can't recruit and keep players then they are doomed anyway. Juniors are the cornerstone - if you look after your talented juniors then you're going to be a very successful team.
3. If a club recruits money hungry mercenaries then it is their own fault. This is why it is important to recruit as many as possible from juniors and look after them.
If the club administration is excellent then you can really take advantage of the systems by getting quality juniors, which will save money, and then target recruiting for specific positions.
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If you had bothered to read what I said 'Genius' you would have seen that I said Football is not just a sport, but a business. I never said "we should treat all clubs no matter what level of football they play as a business and nothing else." We need to recognise both the community aspect as you described, and the rights of clubs to employ better players and gain competitive advantage if they work harder for it.
I do see how a football club can be important to a community, but I think you fail to see that if clubs fold there will always be something else cropping up. Communities got along just fine without football for about 100,000 years so don't try to make out that their lives will be over if they are getting smashed by 100 points every week.
If this whole issue became so huge that leagues were failing then yes, I could see how some sort of points system could be good for the good of the game, but ffs stop being so precious and try to realise that there are much worse things in the world.
Hahah I see you lack the confidence to argue your original assertion that, and I quote "Football is a business and there should be no passengers or charity for those clubs that can't keep up" end quote.
As to "there will always be something else cropping up" yes communities got along "just fine without football" but is that what we really want? I don't necessarily advocate a points system or stopping power clubs from using their cash but I don't think it is a good thing for our game that we have clubs die out either.
Thing is, it's always been like that. Good example I can think of is Hoppers Crossing in the WRFL division 1. Basically half the list is ex-Werribee (VFL)...and then Brad Murphy (ex-Dogs) turns up!
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No I stand by that top statement because in no way did it state that there's not also a positive community aspect to football that should be considered - basically I'm saying that business in football should be protected as much as the other side of it. "No passengers or charity" means that in the long run, it will actually be better for the game if some clubs endure a few years of pain, because it will force them to improve all aspects of their club that contribute to success.
Surely you have heard the saying "nature, not nurture"? Nature always wins, and "no charity" is exactly this. We don't want crappy clubs who can't move with the times holding back the progress of the league or game in general. Most of them will learn to adapt and improve - the few that probably shouldn't be there may fade away, but overall in the long run it will be for the better.
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Exactly, and guess what Sanks? The sky hasn't fallen on our heads!
Les Grossman
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With a points system put into effect the next logical step for powerfull clubs is to target talented kids and get them into their juniors to keep their points value down. Ive heard stories of juniors being paid.
This needs to dealt with or junior clubs will be faced with the troubles senior clubs have now.
Les Grossman
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The best thing that could happen is the VFL becomes a stand alone comp again and then it becomes a financial strength that draws these ex AFL guys rather than them falling through to the next level down (EFL div1).
The AFL should have left the VFL alone. Its compromised the whole competition.
The AFL should have left the VFL alone. Its compromised the whole competition.
Can't help but agree - but, I dare say the old VFA as a competition would have been in real trouble had the AFL Reserves not got involved.
Les Grossman
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Yeah. Maybe aligning the current under 18 comp with the VFL would have been a better option. The afl could pump the same money into it that goes into the under 18s now.
The games would draw bigger crowds than the kids do now making it profitable. Also the players who dont get picked up would be likely to stay with the VFL senior club further strengthening the league.
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