The lack of transparency is their mode of operation now. Do not see it changing any time soon.The wait isn't the whole issue though, the lack of transparency about it all makes it so much worse.
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The lack of transparency is their mode of operation now. Do not see it changing any time soon.The wait isn't the whole issue though, the lack of transparency about it all makes it so much worse.
If they actually add photo ID to the membership card, and make it properly non-transferable, it might see some people who can no longer sell of GF tickets drop off.Hopefully once the gold members get their MCC membership they will drop off.
I dont think people will handle waiting 40 years for Gold membership. Its almost better value to just get GA membership and pay 1-2K whenever your club makes the GF
Usually those seats aren't club members though. They are other forms of membership that get seats in the AFL reserve for the GF, such as life members, medallion club and corporate sponsors. I've never heard of club members sitting in the AFL reserve until this year.
What are you on about re spin?The explanations are all spin IMO. Low upgrade numbers in 2017 because the Essendon bandwagon got full again? Please. Don’t take us for fools. There were less upgrades this year than in 2018, can’t blame anyone’s bandwagon this year so what’s the excuse? Somethings up and they wanna apply the AFL approach of sweeping it under the carpet IMO.
The MCC have slowed their intake too. A few years ago when the Provisional membership came in, there was some fluidity in the upgrading of AFL members. Perhaps this is a factor too?
Anyhow, a mate of mine joined up in 2008 and his waitlist is still in the 2000’s. He’s only moved 500 spots in 2 years. At this rate will be at least another 6 or so years.
Unless he went absentee he should be higher than thatBingo! Spoke to them a week or so ago about joining my daughter up and asked the question re GF tickets. The explanation was the corporate/dining packages, combined with series tickets, combined with the high demand of life members wanting tickets meant the allocation was becoming less. They also said that Collingwood has one of the highest AFL Member tallies and hence the difficulty in getting tickets to the GF in 2018. Personally I think that’s BS, Collingwood AFL member tally aside, they were play West Coast FFS who’d have one of the lowest.
The explanations are all spin IMO. Low upgrade numbers in 2017 because the Essendon bandwagon got full again? Please. Don’t take us for fools. There were less upgrades this year than in 2018, can’t blame anyone’s bandwagon this year so what’s the excuse? Somethings up and they wanna apply the AFL approach of sweeping it under the carpet IMO.
The MCC have slowed their intake too. A few years ago when the Provisional membership came in, there was some fluidity in the upgrading of AFL members. Perhaps this is a factor too?
Anyhow, a mate of mine joined up in 2008 and his waitlist is still in the 2000’s. He’s only moved 500 spots in 2 years. At this rate will be at least another 6 or so years.
I had to send in a photo ID just to get a discounted ski lift pass as I'm still a uni student, to prove it was me who was going skiing during the winter. If Mt. Buller enforce it just so I can ski down some slopes, why is it so hard for the AFL to crack down on people who have Gold Memberships to sell a GF ticket and make a profit on the membership?
With one poster claiming to have only moved 156 spots up the list and with a 31000 gold member allocation, it works out that roughly 1 in every 200 people are not renewing for 2019.
.5% churn rate is incredibly low. Only 150 gold members dropping off does not seem realistic. You can only presume that the afl are reducing the gold member allocation.
What could they do? The AFL are their own corrupt little organisation.Could be consumer affairs worthy?
People who want to move from absentee status back to normal status take some of the lapsed gold spots. AFL claimed Essendon supporters did this in 2017.I wonder if every lapsing gold member is replaced by silver member on the waiting list, or if they farm some of them off to others.
A churn rate of less than 1% seems pretty sensible to me.With one poster claiming to have only moved 156 spots up the list and with a 31000 gold member allocation, it works out that roughly 1 in every 200 people are not renewing for 2019.
.5% churn rate is incredibly low. Only 150 gold members dropping off does not seem realistic. You can only presume that the afl are reducing the gold member allocation.
The recent Vic v Interstate GFs the Hawks had about 2k gold, Bulldogs about 1k, Tigers about 3k, interstate sides bugger all and Pies 7k. So it was certainly the reason this year why it was harder for gold non competing members to get a GF seat compared with recent years.They also said that Collingwood has one of the highest AFL Member tallies and hence the difficulty in getting tickets to the GF in 2018. Personally I think that’s BS, Collingwood AFL member tally aside, they were play West Coast FFS who’d have one of the lowest.
All my mates jumped on 4 years ago and are now going to end up ditching it i reckon.Filthy I stayed a club member in 09 instead of joining AFLmembership. Joined in 2010 and likely cost myself 5 years
In the exact same boat. I went overseas for a year in 2016 and took an absentee membership and it cost me an extra 3-4 years .Filthy I stayed a club member in 09 instead of joining AFLmembership. Joined in 2010 and likely cost myself 5 years
What are you on about re spin?
The Gold membership numbers are capped at 31,000.
The AFL upgrade Silver members based on the number of existing Gold members who don’t renew.
It is no different to MCC membership, there was a huge number of applications once the AFL started ground rationalisation in the 90s and more games were played at the G....but existing members rarely give up their membership. Hence you get an ever increasing waiting list.
So yes, anybody joining up in the last couple of years will be more like 30+ years away from getting Gold...and those people who talke of 8-10 years to get Gold are being sold a lemon.
This is makes sense that the wait list numbers are only moving by a few hundred each year, as they would be the numbers of Gold who don’t renew...once getting ‘Gold’ majority have no intention of giving it up.
The other option is to expand the number of ‘Gold’ members, but if you increase from 31K to 40K then all of a sudden even more ‘Gold’ members won’t actually be able to access big finals let alone GF, and the whole benefit of achieving ‘Gold’ status becomes redundant.
Filthy I stayed a club member in 09 instead of joining AFLmembership. Joined in 2010 and likely cost myself 5 years
They wont do this though. If people drop off because they cant sell their grand final ticket, the AFL loses members and money. It will also cost money to enforce and check every membership. I have had gold for 30 years now, it ended up being all worth it last year, but i would never encourage anyone new to sign up. Save your $ and spend a few k on a grand final package if your team make it.
My mate and I joined 10 years ago, I'm in the 1400s and he's in the 3000sFor the record, I’m already Gold so i don’t have any skin in the game so to speak.
I say spin because it seems like there’s a different story each year. Did you really buy the Essendon story of 2017? This year it’s high renewal rates. I’m more likely to accept that as you are. I think we’re both saying the same thing in that regard. I think there’s something else going on behind the scenes too as we never see breakdowns of what the membership comprises. There’s no communication during the season IRT upgrades. I don’t think we get all the information.
The facts are that the waitlist has really slowed the past two years. I think my upgrade came in 2015 and I was around the 800 mark going into that year on the waitlist. Something has happened in those years to now and my theory is that the MCC opened up their new membership category and the others all moved a bit more than in the past. Having talked to some at EFC, during the saga years, there was a spike in membership. I believe many of them let go of AFL Membership and took up club membership which created movement in the waitlist not only from gold membership, but those also on the waitlist. Both those things have now ceased and I believe what you’re saying is correct, those who get gold understand the value of it and won’t be letting it go.
It seems some are still being told it’s only 8-10 years wait for gold, well that’s fanciful IMO. It’s much closer to 15 years now. I use the example of my mate who joined post 2008 (missed out on a GF ticket as a Haw member so joined AFL). He’s now been on the waitlist for a decade and is still in the 2000’s according to AFL Membership. I’m really thankful I got in when I did.