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Dan26, i wish you were the supreme chancellor...
I have no problem with carlton changing provided there is a CFC symbol on there, white or blue, and a dash (if only a tiny bit) of navy blue
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Dan26, i wish you were the supreme chancellor...
I have no problem with carlton changing provided there is a CFC symbol on there, white or blue, and a dash (if only a tiny bit) of navy blue
For what it's worth, a Carlton in white (with blue CFC) would look great. Cricketers wear white, England wear white, Real Madrid wear white. It's not uncommon. Blue shorts and blue socks with the white top, with maybe some blue trim around the collar, and presto: The problem of dark with white numbers when Carlton play Essendon is avoided forever.
Am I happy that the club & the majority of Bomber members don't agree with you.
AAAWWWW poor little Dan isn't happy that not everyone agrees with him.
If your Mum hears you talking like that, she will wash your mouth out with soap.
You still havn't realised that what we wear as an alternate strip for clashes doesn't matter. It's winning and playing with pride that matters. Not changing a jumper is nothing to be proud of. It's not a good thing; it's not a bad thing either. It's a "nothing" thing. We are Essendon, regardless of what we wear, but you're too stupid to realise this.
I think all of the jumper clashes (in my oppinion I think there are only about 3, but i will have to accept that my oppinion is not universal) can be solved without having to change club colours.
I think playing with your colours and the jumper your team has been wearing for 150 years is indeed a thing to be proud of.
But then again change is necesary.
Its all about finding the balance between tradition (which Aussie rules has in abundaince, and is what makes it unique from any other professional sporting code) and modernisation.
I dont think we should have Carlton running around in green, or Collingwood in magenta (though that would be good for other reasons) or have clubs with all the colours of the rainbow with a highly detailed image (ah la West Coast).
Basically this is my solution. If a desighn cannot be hand-knitted or sewn on it shouldt be used. this is the way it has been since 1858 and I dont see any need for it to change. (keeping the tradition)
Clubs should not use forighn colours on their jurnseys. Half of this mess is because of this in the first place. (tradition)
The issue of shorts should be changed. While traditionally away teams have worn white shorts, this needs to be changed in obvious situations, and never allowed for clubs without white in their clubs colours. (modernisation). Exaple that springs to mind is when Essendon play Saint Kilda away. Adding white to Essendons unifom is idiotic.
To further avoid clashes, most clubs simply have to inverse their uniform (modernisation). Dan26 kind of has the right idea, but all of the Essenon examples more or less innefective because the red needs to be highlighted as much as possible. An example, If richmond played Essendon with an inversed uniform and red shorts, then no matter how visually impaired a person is, they are not going to have difficulty seeing who is who unless they are blind.
More specifically, Hawthorn can wear a brown jumper with thin gold stripes and brown shorts. No other club wears brown, and IMO at least, the brown they wear is too light to be confused with black.
using a system like this, collingwood can emphesise white or black at will, and no colour changes or basic jumper desighns are needed. The same goes for Geelong, North Melbourne, the Bulldogs (can wear red or white as the dominaint coloour with matching shorts) The saints... in fact any club.
Melbourne, and Carlton do need to find the middle of Black and Royal Blue though, they are simply too dark.
The weagles need to go back tho their original jumper.
Fremantle can wear their home strip Every week with Purple shorts. Hard to mistake Purple.
Really, all these wiz-bang alternate strips in whatever forign colours the designers think look good annoy me. Sure, have jumper changes but i cannot work out why they do what I just sujjested.
Then again its just MO.
I think playing with your colours and the jumper your team has been wearing for 150 years is indeed a thing to be proud of.
But then again change is necesary.
Its all about finding the balance between tradition (which Aussie rules has in abundaince, and is what makes it unique from any other professional sporting code) and modernisation.
I dont think we should have Carlton running around in green, or Collingwood in magenta (though that would be good for other reasons) or have clubs with all the colours of the rainbow with a highly detailed image (ah la West Coast).
Basically this is my solution. If a desighn cannot be hand-knitted or sewn on it shouldt be used. this is the way it has been since 1858 and I dont see any need for it to change. (keeping the tradition)
Clubs should not use forighn colours on their jurnseys. Half of this mess is because of this in the first place. (tradition)
The issue of shorts should be changed. While traditionally away teams have worn white shorts, this needs to be changed in obvious situations, and never allowed for clubs without white in their clubs colours. (modernisation). Exaple that springs to mind is when Essendon play Saint Kilda away. Adding white to Essendons unifom is idiotic.
To further avoid clashes, most clubs simply have to inverse their uniform (modernisation). Dan26 kind of has the right idea, but all of the Essenon examples more or less innefective because the red needs to be highlighted as much as possible. An example, If richmond played Essendon with an inversed uniform and red shorts, then no matter how visually impaired a person is, they are not going to have difficulty seeing who is who unless they are blind.
More specifically, Hawthorn can wear a brown jumper with thin gold stripes and brown shorts. No other club wears brown, and IMO at least, the brown they wear is too light to be confused with black.
using a system like this, collingwood can emphesise white or black at will, and no colour changes or basic jumper desighns are needed. The same goes for Geelong, North Melbourne, the Bulldogs (can wear red or white as the dominaint coloour with matching shorts) The saints... in fact any club.
Melbourne, and Carlton do need to find the middle of Black and Royal Blue though, they are simply too dark.
The weagles need to go back tho their original jumper.
Fremantle can wear their home strip Every week with Purple shorts. Hard to mistake Purple.
Really, all these wiz-bang alternate strips in whatever forign colours the designers think look good annoy me. Sure, have jumper changes but i cannot work out why they do what I just sujjested.
Then again its just MO.
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Clubs should just find a dominant colour (home/away or alternate) for games where jumpers clash, even it means a non-traditional colour. The problem stems from designs that mixes colours, therefore one colour does not dominate and also the sponsors whose colours do not reflect the teams colours (e.g. Mayne(Carlton), Emirates(Collingwood), Samsung(Hawthorn) and so on)
Perhaps some clubs should consider using their training jumpers in case of clashes.
If sportings clubs around the world can deal with clashing colours, I'm the AFL and its clubs can do so as well. Teams in North America, especially, do not have a problem with this because teams have a dark uniform and a white uniform and some clubs have alternates.
Perhaps some clubs should consider using their training jumpers in case of clashes.
If sportings clubs around the world can deal with clashing colours, I'm the AFL and its clubs can do so as well. Teams in North America, especially, do not have a problem with this because teams have a dark uniform and a white uniform and some clubs have alternates.
Mr Eagle
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One colour jumpers are a very easy solution - imagine if every club had a 'clash jumper' that was nothing but a single coloured top (contrasting their first jumper) with the club logo on the front a la Carlton. Would work very well. But the reality is that most clubs will want to give some distinction to an alternate design for marketing reasons, so it's not a likely outcome.
Simple solution: Those clubs whose guernsey is sacred should keep it. And those who have no sense of tradition change.
Question:Why would a club put the guernsey in the consitution if it meant nothing to the club. The guernsey is the club, it represetns the club. Ever heard the expression that when you put the guernsey on, you have a repsonibility to play with pride and give it your all.
No, you narrow minded let's change everything gits don;t, and probably will never understand that. Not everything people do in other countries is great. How often I hear about how bad we are for adopting americanisms, and this whole topic wreaks of it.
and those of you who think the AFL is some awe inspiring giant, perhaps it is time someone stood up to the bully and said we aint gunna comply.
By the by, if you think we would go and play in the VFL, think again. Ever heard of Super-league, and don;t say it won;t happen.
Question:Why would a club put the guernsey in the consitution if it meant nothing to the club. The guernsey is the club, it represetns the club. Ever heard the expression that when you put the guernsey on, you have a repsonibility to play with pride and give it your all.
No, you narrow minded let's change everything gits don;t, and probably will never understand that. Not everything people do in other countries is great. How often I hear about how bad we are for adopting americanisms, and this whole topic wreaks of it.
and those of you who think the AFL is some awe inspiring giant, perhaps it is time someone stood up to the bully and said we aint gunna comply.
By the by, if you think we would go and play in the VFL, think again. Ever heard of Super-league, and don;t say it won;t happen.
Would have to be as something other than the Bombers wearing black with a red sash - the AFL owns those.
Rob, your argument is lacking. Everyone knows there is money to be made with alternative strips, yet we still resist. Why, cause money aint the issue bub.
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So Rob, where did you recieve your law degree from
Rob, the guernsey is the same each year. It is just a logo that is on the back. Hell there are these big numbers on the back of them, I guess that means there is no respect either for the guernsey. CRETIN!! Simple fact: The guernsey is still the same, just cause some small logos are on their, the guernsey hasn;t changed. It's the red sash on the black background. It is our heritage. Perhaps MABO will become McMAHON in footy circles when this is all resolved. Don;t think for a second we are going to roll over and play dead like the rest of you a rse lickers.
Mr Eagle
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It won't happen.
As TigerCraig pointed out, Essendon has signed over the rights to your jumper and your club name to the AFL. So you're quite welcome to go start a new league - but if you do, you won't be playing in the same jumper...and therefore will prove the very argument you were trying to defeat.
Surely if you throw a big bloody multicoloured 3 on the front of every player's jumper, that would change it. Put plainly, the Essendon jumper is different this year to what it was last year. So don't bullsh*t everyone into believing that the Essendon jumper has never changed.
Originally posted by Pevers-Legend
good luck trying aFL. Essendon must have its members vote, and they aint gunna vote that way.
Make Essendon forfeit, I wold laugh at that. the number of lawsuits that would arise.
Those who want to change do so, those who don't, don;t.
Stop trying to force s hit on other clubs.
Agree ... The AFL can try, there would be a supporter back lash from the Three clubs that do not want to change… (Collingwood, Essendon and Richmond).
Mr Eagle
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The Collingwood problem is solvable with some colour reversal and smart use of colour in shorts and socks.
However, it is the CLUBS that will suffer as a result of any backlash on the issue, not the AFL.
Not going to buy the new jumper for your kids? Well you weren't buying it when it didn't exist so the AFL ain't losing out.
Not going to attend the games? Less gate takings for the club.
Legal challenge? Yeah right. Might as well flush the money down the toilet - all clubs are under the league's rules no matter how much they do or don't like it. Points will be forfeited, fines will be imposed, and that harms the club, not the AFL. Hell, the AFL might profit!
Superleague? Can't happen without undermining the very argument this started from.
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Originally posted by Rob
How did I guess that you'd enter into this eh Dave?
Oh I dunno, it's a bit like Dan and abuse, you know it's coming
I just find it amusing that people bandy about legal opinion as though it's concrete fact when it's nothing more than speculation. Not that I've ever been guilty of it
I don't need to tell you my position on this, been there, done that. The League will do what they decide is in their interests, though the most pertinent point in Jackson statement was in the last paragraphs where he mentioned how unhappy their friends in the media were at the 2000 GF. After all it's the media that they need to keep happy.
Rob, if you understand what the word pedantic means, I think that sums up your arguement. Hot air!! There is no substance to your arguement. You wouldn;t by chance be a Port supporter?? as they also get stuck on trivial issues because they can;t rise above their pathetic little gripes.
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