News AFL to overhaul the draft, discuss changes to Academy and FS bid matching

[giantroo]

 

[Obeanie1]

I mean sure we can argue whether the romanticism is worth 20% but I'm making the broader point that we've only been trending in one direction.

Secondly, the difference between a 3rd and 4th round pick is so minuscule, I genuinely believe that once a player gets to pick 40 or whatever, that the romanticism is worth the player's father's son effectively getting him for nothing rather than having to match a bid on pick 41 or whatever even if they don't have any draft picks left

Concessions above and beyond the existing access to pick 1 on the draft have being given to North and GC in the last few years suggests otherwise.

No-one cares about father sons in the 40s mate. They really dont. Get as romantic as you like in the 3rd round.

You do realise concessions to the strugggling clubs have been given because the AFL provides top teams playing grand finals concessions that others dont get. So instead of controlling and reducing concessions to the top teams the AFL needs to provide concessions to the struggling sides.

What an unmitigated dogs breakfast of concessions and meddling to get the result desired. And if you arent a pet expansion club or failing miserably the AFL dont give a rats arse.

 

[Stamos]

Insiders’ guide to player movement: How to fix free agency and the future of father-son bids

In the first of a two-part series on direction of player movement in the AFL, we look at free agency, academies, new future trading rules and whether a traditional rebuild is still possible as the draft becomes increasingly compromised.

www.theage.com.au

https://archive.md/FEs5j

Part 2

Capped contracts, draft concessions and pick purchasing: How AFL player movement could change

In the second of a two-part series on the direction of player movement in the AFL, we look at how Tasmania’s entry into the AFL could play out, as well as the potential next wave of changes, including pick purchasing.

www.theage.com.au

https://archive.md/u5GiN

 

[Scotland]

Are they going to introduce trading multiple years into the future? Or trading pick swaps, protected picks etc?

 

[Jeremias]

Are they going to introduce trading multiple years into the future? Or trading pick swaps, protected picks etc?

Yes. Possibly as early as next season.

 

[Scotland]

Yes. Possibly as early as next season.

About time!

Cynic in me says the AFL want it in place by the time Harley Reid has finished his initial contract after 2026.

 

[danster168]

About time!

Cynic in me says the AFL want it in place by the time Harley Reid has finished his initial contract after 2026.

the afl are always 5-10 years behind the NBA. It's embarrassing.

 

[Purple Suit]

the afl are always 5-10 years behind the NBA. It's embarrassing.

I’m not sure we need it. The only teams that don’t have assets are the ones trading futures. If they open up 2 years, they will dig bigger holes.

Most top ups trades don’t look good for the top-up team in hindsight unless they win a flag & that’s not an easy thing.

The current system of using a minimum number of first rounders is suppose to save teams but there are some big basket cases. Giving them free access to another year of futures which will be worth a lot less is going to really sting a few clubs worse than now.

 

[danster168]

I’m not sure we need it. The only teams that don’t have assets are the ones trading futures. If they open up 2 years, they will dig bigger holes.

Most top ups trades don’t look good for the top-up team in hindsight unless they win a flag & that’s not an easy thing.

The current system of using a minimum number of first rounders is suppose to save teams but there are some big basket cases. Giving them free access to another year of futures which will be worth a lot less is going to really sting a few clubs worse than now.

then the afl will step in and find ways to get the bottom clubs back up there though. whether it be priority picks (like north) or deciding to give pick 8 for Battle to St.Kilda. Or changing the nga rules to give Mac Andrew to the struggling suns. The AFL always find a way.

 

[Jeremias]

I’m not sure we need it. The only teams that don’t have assets are the ones trading futures. If they open up 2 years, they will dig bigger holes.

Not that I think there should be, but I have no doubt there will be pretty strict restrictions placed on what clubs are and are not able to trade - just as there are restrictions on future picks in the NBA.

Whilst acknowledging it gives far greater flexibility to clubs on the trade table, they will be keen to ensure no club completely ****s itself.

 

[Purple Suit]

Not that I think there should be, but I have no doubt there will be pretty strict restrictions placed on what clubs are and are not able to trade - just as there are restrictions on future picks in the NBA.

Whilst acknowledging it gives far greater flexibility to clubs on the trade table, they will be keen to ensure no club completely ****s itself.

It seems like the equivalent of losening up lending laws so more can be bought on credit. I can see the AFL equivalent of the sub prime mortgage crisis & all the other clubs will foot the bill to bail out the first few clubs who it stuff up royally.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I’m not sure we need it. The only teams that don’t have assets are the ones trading futures. If they open up 2 years, they will dig bigger holes.

Most top ups trades don’t look good for the top-up team in hindsight unless they win a flag & that’s not an easy thing.

The current system of using a minimum number of first rounders is suppose to save teams but there are some big basket cases. Giving them free access to another year of futures which will be worth a lot less is going to really sting a few clubs worse than now.

You can potentially add in a caveat of a protection if it's a top 3 pick or something. 2 years in advance will make these silly deals get done easier. Lets think of last year and the JHF deal, wouldn't it have been easier if they could trade two years of firsts to add to the one they had? It's easy and done in 2 days.

 

[BennyGan]

the afl are always 5-10 years behind the NBA. It's embarrassing.

some teams are run that bad that they need to protect them from being able to trade

 

[Scotland]

the afl are always 5-10 years behind the NBA. It's embarrassing.

More like 10-20.

Trades like our pick swap with Gold Coast in 2017, Lachie Schulz being traded to Collingwood end up lopsided because clubs are betting on future pick values.

It's a silly scenario where WC can offer a pick swap for 2025 because it looks like a guaranteed upgrade for most clubs but if by some miracle we do a Hawthorn and finish 6th (ha) then it ends up as a downgrade. The right to a pick swap should absolutely be a tradeable thing.

The AFL is going down the path of free agency and more and more players are demanding trades under contract, and a the same time introducing greater pick trading flexibility but there is still no visibility on how the salary cap actually works. In the NBA you aren't signing Harley Reid to a $2m a year contract after 3 years. He, Nick Daicos etc. would be eligible for rookie max scale contracts and their clubs would have first dibs. Mac Andrew being under contract for 9 years is a complete joke but there is nothing to stop Gold Coast from kneecapping themselves again.

What should happen is contracts are limited by length and value and whatever contract you sign you are stuck with. None of this 'I had a good year give me a pay rise or I will demand a trade' shit. It is silly that someone like Ben McKay or LDU who have played in losing teams their whole careers can just up and leave to contenders (or Essendon) and North are still required to pay 95% of the cap.

 

[Moonatic77]

some teams are run that bad that they need to protect them from being able to trade

Some clubs get a huge advantage and get artificially propped up the ladder ever year too.
There's 10 Vic sides and only one gets it's own unique home ground.
Is that unfair? **** yeah

 

[BennyGan]

Some clubs get a huge advantage and get artificially propped up the ladder ever year too.
There's 10 Vic sides and only one gets it's own unique home ground.
Is that unfair? **** yeah

Not sure where that’s come from or has anything to do with the conversation. If you thought I was referring to Richmond I wasn’t.

 

[Dogflogger]

the afl are always 5-10 years behind the NBA. It's embarrassing.

Yeah you'd have to have rocks in your head if you copied anything the NBA does, only greedy pricks like player managers and AFL executives enjoy copying such a shit league.

 

[danster168]

Yeah you'd have to have rocks in your head if you copied anything the NBA does, only greedy pricks like player managers and AFL executives enjoy copying such a shit league.

First Copy
2010 NBA commercial:

2011 AFL commercial:

2nd Copy:
Changed it from a Draft Camp to a Draft Combine just because the NBA called it that.

3rd Copy:
Free Agency and Future years bidding.

4th Copy:
The AFL Draft 'Pick is in' nonsense. That's directly copied from the NBA.

5th Copy:
The idea put forward by the AFL to have premiership rings to players that played a game during a premiership season.

I'm sure there's many more.

yeah, the afl have it sorted. Same old boring afl grand final entertainment with old codgers in wagons going around the boundary. Roll and repeat the same stuff every year.
Or how about players being gagged by the AFL to the point where every player is boring as hell. Yet we still have to sit through interview after interview from players that say nothing. No ego's, nothing. Just boring. That's the AFL.

 

[LordLucifer]

A rival bid for Brisbane father-son gem Levi Ashcroft didn’t come until Melbourne’s Pick 5 slot, with the Demons electing to force the Lions’ hand. It meant the Lions only had to surrender Picks 40, 42, 43 and 46 to match, gaining 68, 94 and 97.

When you look at that, it highlights just how flawed the current system is and needs an urgent review & upgrade.

I have nothing against the Lions, they are working within the rules as they are now but the AFL have turned this stuff into a massive cluster-****.

No discounts for a start.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

When you look at that, it highlights just how flawed the current system is and needs an urgent review & upgrade.

I have nothing against the Lions, they are working within the rules as they are now but the AFL have turned this stuff into a massive cluster-****.

No discounts for a start.

It gets better next year, I really hope you were saying this before you are getting the twins cheap though.

It's a million times better next year. Many of my Swans fans don't agree but I don't care I'll say it again. The ability to match a bid is your 'discount' why do you need another one on top. Yes we put millions into the academy that's fantastic just means we have more players in the pool and we can choose the best ones to take. Why do we need another discount on top?

I've said this for years

 

[Tom14]

When you look at that, it highlights just how flawed the current system is and needs an urgent review & upgrade.

I have nothing against the Lions, they are working within the rules as they are now but the AFL have turned this stuff into a massive cluster-****.

No discounts for a start.

You know what's even funnier? We matched the Levi bid with a bunch of picks including pick 46.

At the end of night one due to other picks exhausting due to bids, and Marshall not going until pick 22 we've ended up with...




Pick 46.

What a system.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

You know what's even funnier? We matched the Levi bid with a bunch of picks including pick 46.

At the end of night one due to other picks exhausting due to bids, and Marshall not going until pick 22 we've ended up with...

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Pick 46.

What a system.

You have a pick in the 50's tonight to. Are you using it?

 

[Tom14]

You have a pick in the 50's tonight to. Are you using it?

We'll use at most 2 of these picks, most likely 1. Lol.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

We'll use at most 2 of these picks, most likely 1. Lol.

Can you just not pick another mid to pull our pants down thanks, at least I'm at peace knowing our coach is a stubborn mule and can't coach against you guys

 

[Stamos]

It gets better next year, I really hope you were saying this before you are getting the twins cheap though.

It's a million times better next year. Many of my Swans fans don't agree but I don't care I'll say it again. The ability to match a bid is your 'discount' why do you need another one on top. Yes we put millions into the academy that's fantastic just means we have more players in the pool and we can choose the best ones to take. Why do we need another discount on top?

I've said this for years

The discount is built into the points structure.
I don’t think it’s unfair to be able to match a bid with a pick a few picks later without giving up extras.

Anyway, the system from next year will so much fairer. I think most people will get over it.

 

[Section 5]

The discount is built into the points structure.
I don’t think it’s unfair to be able to match a bid with a pick a few picks later without giving up extras.

Anyway, the system from next year will so much fairer. I think most people will get over it.

Yes, it is fairer, and people will get over it.
A lot of work and money goes into the northern academies.
Also Bears/Lions, Swans and Giants really did not have hardly any father/sons for ages.
We thought that was a Vic rort at the time and we were unable to tap into that until much later.

If next year's 10% discount was in play this year, we still get our 2 guys with picks left over.
It would have cost us an extra 512 points being picks 46 & 47 we hold. (see post 4354 above).
We would still have reasonable picks left to choose another one or two in this year's draft

We need a KPF so we may gamble on one late or take another academy player possibly Ty Gallop.
The delisted Sun Sam Day still in play at some stage so we may just take best available at our next selection