News AFL to overhaul the draft, discuss changes to Academy and FS bid matching

[giantroo]

 

[Pure_Ownage]

100% it does.

Fagan wrote a multi page reply to the AFL competition committee about it.

Dimma has spoken about it.

The WA clubs, the actual coaches, players and administrators have spoken about it for years.

Every single non Victorian club has spoken about the impact it has on player recovery and performance.

If you’re deaf to this, pull your head out of the sand, or wherever else you’re sticking it.



lol of course it does. There’s been multiple studies across a range of sports about the impact of travel.

Go and google. There are pages and pages of studies.

And they don’t all apply to long haul travel either.

It’s not the packing stoopid.

It’s the missing out on the proper recovery protocols.

The ice baths, massages. Lack of sleep, etc.

The impact such travel has on fatigued muscle, etc.

I swear you’re just being obtuse now.

Dimma said it in a press conference when he was still at Richmond.

He said they hate playing at Marvel due to the travel.

If the players and clubs can't co ordinate travel and recovery together then they are absolutely useless.

You have vfl/sanfl/wafl players who are working full time and fitting in travel, recovery and nutrition on top of that special so spare me the thought that afl clubs couldn't manage it.

 

[briztoon]

But to be fair, most likely 15 and 25 are the neutral umpires and every other ump is influenced by the noises. I'm not picking on Brisbane, it's every interstate team when playing at their home ground. it's a 4-6 goal advantage. So of the 12 games at the Gabba, you lost it 3 times. So the stats don't support what you're saying. You can make stuff up like 'we attack the ball harder' to make you feel better but the reality is it's a massive leg up on the competition.

Stkilda L
Collingwood L
Carlton L
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Geelong WON
Gold Coast WON
Rich WON
Melb WON
Adelaide WON
Sydney WON
GWS DREW
Ess WON
Carlton WON

Also, I’m positive I watched Geelong beat us in the rain and GWS beat us in the dry at the Gabba last season.

So I’m thinking you’re making stuff up atm.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Here's the number of interstate travels per club next year:

Adelaide 10​

Brisbane 11​

Carlton 6​

Collingwood 6​

Essendon 6​

Fremantle 10​

Geelong 6​

Gold Coast 13​

GWS 14​

Hawthorn10​

Melbourne 7​

North Melbourne 10​

Port Adelaide 10​

Richmond 6​

St Kilda 7​

Sydney 11​

West Coast 10​

So if we ignore the selling of home games to interstate venues, the standard travel difference between Vic and Non-Vic is 5 games to the Northern states and 4 games to the Western states.

Bare in mind that it's a 25 week home and away season, so all the travel carry on comes down to an extra return flight every 5 or 6 weeks.

You really think that has a massive big impact?

Or it’s pretty much once every month compared to every two weeks. Travelling once every 4 weeks doesn’t take a toll, every two weeks you are chasing your tail

 

[sr36]

Yes, because it’s not just an extra flight every 5 weeks, as we were already flying 2 of those other weeks.

It’s the very reason why the Carlton coach had a whinge about potentially flying one extra week at the beginning of the season and didn’t want to play Opening Round.

Yes it is an additional flight every 5 weeks. Now assuming the sapping nature of this travel has a toll over the course of the season, you'd obviously expect to see a decline in Non-Vic pereformance over the course of the year - got any data to support that?

 

[danster168]

We are currently a good team. We win more games than we loose.

Why don’t you go and look up the win loss ratio from 2010 to 2017.

huh? I'm talking about the free kick count, not the result! come on dude, surely this didn't need to be explained.

 

[sr36]

Or it’s pretty much once every month compared to every two weeks. Travelling once every 4 weeks doesn’t take a toll, every two weeks you are chasing your tail

As the disadvantage is pitched around recovery and the 23 games are spread out over 25 weeks - it's less than a flight every fortnight. For Western teams it's 10 weeks with flights and 15 without. It's 5 more difficult flight related recoveries. Interestingly, back when there was no bye before finals, Wa clubs requested no Derby in the final round - as they considered blockbuster recovery more difficult than travel recovery.

 

[briztoon]

Would Northern teams give up the academy advantages to have Vic teams fly 5 more times a year? I think you'd be insane to.

I’d give up the academies to reduce the number of Vic teams by half (well one can move to Tassie and the other 4 can merge with the 4 Melbourne teams that remain) and make it a proper home and away season. A true national competition.

 

[sr36]

I’d give up the academies to reduce the number of Vic teams by half (well one can move to Tassie and the other 4 can merge with the 4 Melbourne teams that remain) and make it a proper home and away season. A true national competition.

That wasn't the question - I was asking about the respective advantages in the current comp. Don't think anything trumps academies - we're just seeing them beginning to kick in with the first guy taken Heeney now at his peak.

 

[briztoon]

If the players and clubs can't co ordinate travel and recovery together then they are absolutely useless.

You have vfl/sanfl/wafl players who are working full time and fitting in travel, recovery and nutrition on top of that special so spare me the thought that afl clubs couldn't manage it.

Travel is very much dictated by the AFL, as they fund it.

That was part of Fagan’s submission to the AFL competition committee.

 

[briztoon]

Or it’s pretty much once every month compared to every two weeks. Travelling once every 4 weeks doesn’t take a toll, every two weeks you are chasing your tail

We travel every second, except you add in gather round where we travel consecutive weeks.

I think you need to go look at our schedule.

It’s pretty much HAHA the whole season, and has been like that the last few seasons. If we do get two consecutive home games, it’s often followed by two consecutive away games.

So again, yes the travel takes it’s toll because we travel every second week.

 

[briztoon]

huh? I'm talking about the free kick count, not the result! come on dude, surely this didn't need to be explained.

Didn’t read free kick count mentioned in your post. But to be fair, I skim read your posts at best, as you’re a known troll.

 

[briztoon]

That wasn't the question - I was asking about the respective advantages in the current comp. Don't think anything trumps academies - we're just seeing them beginning to kick in with the first guy taken Heeney now at his peak.

No it wasn’t. I was mentioning the equalisation I’d like to see make the competition fairer.

You don’t get to set the whole agenda here.

 

[sr36]

No it wasn’t. I was mentioning the equalisation I’d like to see make the competition fairer.

You don’t get to set the whole agenda here.

I'm not setting the agenda - you set it - advantages and disadvantages in the current system - you pointed out a disadvantage - were do you think academies sit versus 5 less travels?

It's a simple question - wonder why you're dodging it.

 

[sr36]

We travel every second, except you add in gather round where we travel consecutive weeks.

I think you need to go look at our schedule.

It’s pretty much HAHA the whole season, and has been like that the last few seasons. If we do get two consecutive home games, it’s often followed by two consecutive away games.

So again, yes the travel takes it’s toll because we travel every second week.

You actually travel 11 times over 25 weeks - 1 of those is directly before a bye, so assumedly you'd concede that you're recovery and subsequent prep isn't going to be affected by that travel. So we're looking at 10 times when your preparation and recovery might be negatively impacted - and 9 of those games are followed by home games - which you rarely lose.So how exactly does this negatively impact you so much?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Travel is very much dictated by the AFL, as they fund it.

That was part of Fagan’s submission to the AFL competition committee.

The cost of travel is a completely separate issue from the competence of the clubs to run a schedule and multitasking. That's just basic competence. Which is well within their capability.

 

[briztoon]

I'm not setting the agenda - you set it - advantages and disadvantages in the current system - you pointed out a disadvantage - were do you think academies sit versus 5 less travels?

It's a simple question - wonder why you're dodging it.

Travel is only part of the disadvantages non victorian clubs face.

I didn't dodge anything. I said what I would want to see if we were to drop the academies.

I don't see how the academies are an advantage or disadvantage. We're trying to grow the game up here and the AFL palmed it off to us to do, as they mirror how the NRL and RU run their development pathways up here.

We're increasing the playing pool and mitigating against another potential disadvantage.

Travel inequalities should not be tied to, and have nothing to do with the academies. That's something someone in here introduced to the discussion.

 

[sr36]

Travel is only part of the disadvantages non victorian clubs face.

I didn't dodge anything. I said what I would want to see if we were to drop the academies.

I don't see how the academies are an advantage or disadvantage. We're trying to grow the game up here and the AFL palmed it off to us to do, as they mirror how the NRL and RU run their development pathways up here.

We're increasing the playing pool and mitigating against another potential disadvantage.

Travel inequalities should not be tied to, and have nothing to do with the academies. That's something someone in here introduced to the discussion.

I don't know if I introduced them. I think the thread title may have.

But seeing you can't see how academies are advantages or disadvantages, I'll leave it there. As it seems pretty clear how having priority access to players in the draft is advantageous to me.

 

[beatnik]

How about we don’t discuss any more changes to equalisation measures until we scrap the requirement that the GF has to be played at the MCG? #VICBIAS

 

[briztoon]

You actually travel 11 times over 25 weeks -

OK, break that travel down. We play the first and last week at home. So we travel 11 times in 23 weeks. Remove the two byes due to opening round, we travel 11 times in 21 weeks.

Any which way you cut it, we spend the majority of the season 1 week home, the second week away.

1 of those is directly before a bye, so assumedly you'd concede that you're recovery and subsequent prep isn't going to be affected by that travel. So we're looking at 10 times when your preparation and recovery might be negatively impacted - and 9 of those games are followed by home games - which you rarely lose.So how exactly does this negatively impact you so much?

It's the actual travel that impacts recovery. It's the travel itself, the time spent after a game when bodies are sore sitting around in hotels waiting to go to the airport, time spent sitting at the airport and on planes.

It's why Vic clubs whinge about their travel.

It's the same reason why Vic clubs prefer earlier games when they travel interstate, so they don't have to spend the night away from home, and prefer to fly back after games, so they can do a full recovery session at their home base the next day.

We travel more than Vic clubs. That's the inequality.

The WA clubs talk about how their long haul travel shortens player careers.

But it's a national sport we get that. We get we have to travel. We'd just prefer the Vic clubs traveled more to balance out the travel and make it much closer to even. The 10 Vic clubs could play every interstate club away each season. Then we'd only have to play one team from each other state each season, and play the other team from each state the following season. Similarly we'd only have to travel to each of the other non Vic states once per season, and could play the rest of our away games against Vic clubs at the MCG.

 

[sr36]

It's the actual travel that impacts recovery. It's the travel itself, the time spent after a game when bodies are sore sitting around in hotels waiting to go to the airport, time spent sitting at th

It's the same reason why Vic clubs prefer earlier games when they travel interstate, so they don't have to spend the night away from home, and prefer to fly back after games, so they can do a full recovery session at their home base the next day.

Strange that you nearly always win the game after this occurs.

 

[briztoon]

I don't know if I introduced them. I think the thread title may have.

But seeing you can't see how academies are advantages or disadvantages, I'll leave it there. As it seems pretty clear how having priority access to players in the draft is advantageous to me.

Every time a Vic kid says they don't want to move interstate, that disadvantages the non Vic clubs. Especially when more often than not it's the Vic kids at the top of the draft saying it. A few we've drafted ourselves as no other club bid on them.

Speaking for my own club, we've had 1 first round academy kid in 14 years. Most of our academy kids have been late second or third round picks. Admittedly we've had 3 recent father sons as first round kids.

Gold Coast have had 6 first round academy kids in 13 years, though Bowes now plays for Geelong, it's just that 4 arrived in one draft. Sydney have had 5 in 14 years. Haven't looked up GWS total list, but they've currently got 3 first round academy kids on their list, and most punters couldn't name the third.

I don't believe the academies are as big an advantage as most here think they are.

 

[briztoon]

Strange that you nearly always win the game after this occurs.

Because we're currently a good team. Prior to 2019, we lost more games after travel occured for the best part of a decade. Because we weren't a good team.

Funny how being a good team increases the likelihood of winning.

 

[briztoon]

The cost of travel is a completely separate issue from the competence of the clubs to run a schedule and multitasking. That's just basic competence. Which is well within their capability.

Wasn't talking cost at all. When we fly is often up to the AFL and competition carrier. It's something else Fagan mentioned at length in his dossier to the AFL competition committee last off season.

 

[Greendogg5]

I’d give up the academies to reduce the number of Vic teams by half (well one can move to Tassie and the other 4 can merge with the 4 Melbourne teams that remain) and make it a proper home and away season. A true national competition.

Was thinking about this the other day. Would the competition really be worse off without st Kilda, north, bulldogs and Melbourne? I actually think this has some merit. Could end up with a number of teams where we could have everyone play each other twice.

 

[danster168]

Didn’t read free kick count mentioned in your post. But to be fair, I skim read your posts at best, as you’re a known troll.

nice deflection. you were talking about how Brisbane get a rough ride by the umps at the gabba. I showed that you won the free kick 9 out of 12 games.