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[Vindicater]

Good teams don't chase players like Rotham.

I think we can all gree on that.

 

[ant555]

Just 10? Why didn't we think of this idea sooner!

10 is just the pain. Of course it could be 20 if you manage to **** it up.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Good teams don't chase players like Rotham.

I think we can all gree on that.

Sydney picked up Aaron Francis and they're playing today.

 

[ant555]

Good teams don't chase players like Rotham.

I think we can all gree on that.

Is he worse than Tomlinson or Rataguolea or Frampton or Francis ? who all went top top 4 sides.

I am not saying lets just get him but in a situation where Laverde goes and we can get him and move on Weideman I have no issues. Lets face it we have a real issue with the KP backs. Reid and Ridley are injury prone. Cox is not physical enough. Laverde is a battler.

 

[ghostdog]

Brisbane is a unique case as the academy landed them free hits in Eric Hipwood, Harris Andrews Jack Payne.

Kiddi Coleman would be there too. Throw in developing father/sons right in Fletcher and Ashcroft and its easy to see why they are ahead of the pack

No doubt. I'm just saying they picked well after bottoming out.

 

[ant555]

No doubt. I'm just saying they picked well after bottoming well.

Not sure they really bottomed well and on top of that for a while they had an issue with having very ordinary drafts where only the Academy picks saved them. In recent years they have got it right but there are some absolute wipe outs as well.

 

[Vindicater]

Is he worse than Tomlinson or Rataguolea or Frampton or Francis ? who all went top top 4 sides.

I am not saying lets just get him but in a situation where Laverde goes and we can get him and move on Weideman I have no issues. Lets face it we have a real issue with the KP backs. Reid and Ridley are injury prone. Cox is not physical enough. Laverde is a battler.

Sydney picked up Aaron Francis and they're playing today.

I think Francis is better than Rotham.

Tomlinson and Frampton much better.

Ratuguolea I will pay.

 

[ghostdog]

So you’re saying we should use the third/fourth rounders we get for leverde and stringer in the draft.

I’d a perfect world id love to get another pick inside 20 or an elite top 3.

Not sure how the new points work but leverde + stringer comp = kako and 2 picks before it would be great.

No, I didn't say anything at all about something we actually don't have.

I was considering 8 and 28 (which in retrospect isn't getting near 2 at all anyway), and that it's a deep draft. With Pick 28 we should still end up with a good quality player.

 

[ghostdog]

Not sure they really bottomed well and on top of that for a while they had an issue with having very ordinary drafts where only the Academy picks saved them. In recent years they have got it right but there are some absolute wipe outs as well.

Soz. I've just woken up. I meant "bottomed out". I don't even know what 'bottoming well' is. I'll edit.

 

[ghostdog]

He is not really a blocker though. He is a run with guy who strangles an opposition player out of the game. He has not actually done a lot of blocking for his team mates in the games I have seen him play. You could send Hobbs in to block if you wanted to. You do not need to be a big brute to do that. You could even make it Perkins if need be. The real advantage FM has is his endurance running which we need but more in an outside role.

I'd take him for his endurance, size and tagging ability too though. If Laverde or Stringer goes and something can be arranged, I wouldn't be unhappy.

At worst we'd have depth, and as I said, he's young. Coach some blocking nous into him. After seeing Duz and Caldwell flourish this year, I think it's doable.

 

[Yoda_]

Some did for sure but there is no actual bottom out properly. There is no set way and there is a world of pain for a lot of years for those clubs who do. Also the clubs that have won flags that had 2 or 3 top 5 picks did son with some decent FA gets as well along with some really good finds outside the top 20 and some good trades.
My point to those who want us to bottom out is be careful what you wish for. You will be in for 10 years of pain and in that pain there will be Tasmania.

The bottoming out part is probably a bit melodramatic, the good parts of our best 22 are already much better than some of those shit teams we've seen over the past 20 years (recent injury hit West Coast, Melbourne, North).

Im sick of putting in a guy like Weidemann in later in the year when we had the opportunity to bloody young Hayes. We do this same dumb shit over and over again.

 

[ghostdog]

Part of our forward issue is having no one to take a mark. Swapping out Stringer for Membrey does fix an issue. The speed issue , well that is a small forward issue. Membrey has rated above average to elite for marks for the last 7 seasons. Kicking efficiency is generally around 70%. He kicks his 30 to 35 goals nearly every year and I would sooner have him for 2 years as a stop gap than keeping Wiedman.

I'm convinced. At least Membrey marks the ball and is a bigger body. Plonk him at FF for a year and see how we go. If I recall he was also able to help Sts steady a bit when he was played back taking intercepts. Wouldn't be unhappy if that eventuated.

If we go for Membrey, I wonder if that might signal intention to also go for Armstrong/Shanahan and use Membrey for two years while that player develops...

 

[ghostdog]

No issues with Finn or Membrey.

Finn is an elite runner and we have only Duursma and Martin for that. Finn would likely play on the wing for us.

Membrey would be able to teach Caddy very well and contribute for a few years.

Rotham I can't say I'm that excited about but we do have a gap of defensive depth

Yep. Pass on Rotham.

 

[ant555]

The bottoming out part is probably a bit melodramatic, the good parts of our best 22 are already much better than some of those shit teams we've seen over the past 20 years (recent injury hit West Coast, Melbourne, North).

Im sick of putting in a guy like Weidemann in later in the year when we had the opportunity to bloody young Hayes. We do this same dumb shit over and over again.

I would have liked Hayes in as well but as far as list development goes it is not totally make or break.
I would prefer No to be having Weideman but as far as list assessment goes it was the right move. Get him back to AFL level and see what he has as a defender. He was okay. Nothing special but also not terrible. They now know that if they can not find another defender and Laverde goes he is a back up option for a year an small coin.

 

[jdstorm]

Soz. I've just woken up. I meant "bottomed out". I don't even know what 'bottoming well' is. I'll edit.

Bottoming is when gay men have intercourse and they are the receiving partner.

Topping is the inverse part of the term and involves the front side entry

Edit: anyway back to football. I think Bottoming out truely is only nessecary for clubs that can’t attract free agents or clubs who after a long string of success have a large group of elite talent retire and can’t replace them.

In Essendons case they are a big club and should be able to attract talent if competently run. So building depth and establishing competence is pretty important because when you have a deep competitive side then you can start flipping and consolidating assets.

It’s a very different situation to north for instance who no one will ever want to play for

 

[Bjchan13]

Still can't see much coming in via trade or FA this year. Laverde and Stringer out are the only moves i can see eventuating.

If we could manage to jag a young player that can fit into the rebuild demographic eg Konstanty, Conor Stone, Maginess etc, then im all for it.

Rosa should be given the licence to make some moves with future picks. A bit of creativity in this space has proven results when done right.

 

[coastalpipeline]

Sydney picked up Aaron Francis and they're playing today.

Aaron Francis playing today?

 

[ant555]

Aaron Francis playing today?
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[yodellinhank]

I think a lot of it depends on draft strength and bringing in a weight of numbers during strong drafts, and being at the pointy end when generational talent presents. I still say I feel like we load up when "top" picks are easy to get and seem to trade out of the "good" drafts.

 

[jdstorm]

When you look at the list and the young talent on it there really isn’t much need to trade much out. There’s a good amount of talent there.

Projecting forward with Kako as best 23 and no Stringer/Lav

Ridley McKay Mcgrath
Redman Reid Roberts (D7 Hayes/Cox/Saad/pick 10/Rotham)

Martin Durham Dursma (Jones)
Bryan Merrett Caldwell (Tsatas/Sheil/Parish/Hobbs)

Perkins Caddy Langford
Gresham Draper kakko (Guelfi,Wright, Daveyx2, Menzie)

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Membrey makes no sense to me. Stringer is not going to get us a lot draft pick wise as clubs are too conservative.

Swapping out an inferior player at the same age bracket is a no for me.

Only way I can see it working is if we go full rebuild and dangle Langford and Stringer and accumulate picks.

It allows us to invest in some quality smalls around Caddy, Wright and resting rucks. Membrey gives us some depth and experience.

We don't have much to offer that is of value. I reckon we can cash in on Langford. I'm super sceptical he can stay at the 50 goal level.

But our history shows we can't make tough calls and this Laverde and Stringer talk is not at the level required

 

[jdstorm]

Membrey makes no sense to me. Stringer is not going to get us a lot draft pick wise as clubs are too conservative.

Swapping out an inferior player at the same age bracket is a no for me.

Only way I can see it working is if we go full rebuild and dangle Langford and Stringer and accumulate picks.

It allows us to invest in some quality smalls around Caddy, Wright and resting rucks. Membrey gives us some depth and experience.

We don't have much to offer that is of value. I reckon we can cash in on Langford. I'm super sceptical he can stay at the 50 goal level.

But our history shows we can't make tough calls and this Laverde and Stringer talk is not at the level required

in this case I think the toughest call is to believe in the talent level of the list and just let them develop and start winning games

 

[ghostdog]

Bottoming is when gay men have intercourse and they are the receiving partner.

Topping is the inverse part of the term and involves the front side entry

Edit: anyway back to football. I think Bottoming out truely is only nessecary for clubs that can’t attract free agents or clubs who after a long string of success have a large group of elite talent retire and can’t replace them.

In Essendons case they are a big club and should be able to attract talent if competently run. So building depth and establishing competence is pretty important because when you have a deep competitive side then you can start flipping and consolidating assets.

It’s a very different situation to north for instance who no one will ever want to play for

I'm sorry. What did you say?

 

[jdstorm]

I'm sorry. What did you say?

Not sure how to say it in a pg way.
When gay men have intercourse there are two “roles”

A bottom who receives and a top who penetrates

So bottoming is the verb form

 

[ghostdog]

Not sure how to say it in a pg way.
When gay men have intercourse there are two “roles”

A bottom who receives and a top who penetrates

So bottoming is the verb form

I heard you. I just wasn't ready.