Play Nice AFL Womens - General Discussion

[threenewpadlocks]

My view is that the 1920 female soccer match, attracting c.53,000, is the current world record for any non international female game, for any female sport.
The next highest crowd for Kerr's Ladies, AFAIK, was c.25,000. Kerr's Ladies SC played many games over several years -but I do not know if this 53,000 game was in a regular, weekly H & A competition; or if it was a stand alone soccer game (ie not played pre or post with a men's soccer game).

The AO 1929 game, attracting 41,000+, was a "one-off" Charity exhibition game, comprising female AF players -who did not play pre or post with a male AF game.

My understanding is that the AFLW Freo. v. Coll. game will have no pre or post male game.

The Kerr's ladies game, as with all female games of the time, was an exhibition game. It was female sport in the 1920's. They didn't have competitions back the. Not only is it common sense of what the nature of female football back then, but it's also stated here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick,_Kerr's_Ladies_F.C.

 

[mzbatman]

A new AFLW Official app launched today and it’s pretty cool.
Check it out:
http://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-01-24/aflw-stream-all-games-live-on-new-official-app

 

[radiojake]

General observation :

Last night Melbourne's womens team had their season launch at a function space in Collingwood which is right around the corner from where i work - towards the end of my day i started noticing players walk past work on their way there

As i left it coincided with Daisy Pearce arriving - it was pretty funny/cool to see how many people on the street were stopping/turning heads in that moment of recognition -
Obvs she would be the highest profile player in Melbourne, but still i think it's cool to see how much coverage has grown for her to be as recognisable as many of the male players

 

[Aardvark]

ABC radio this morning saying over 40,000 tickets sold for Freo V Collingwood Round 2 at the Cray pot.

 

[BringBackTorps]

ABC radio this morning saying over 40,000 tickets sold for Freo V Collingwood Round 2 at the Cray pot.

The AFL PR machine must go into major overdrive NOW - media releases, McLachlan at press conference etc. Let everyone know that the WORLD RECORD for a female H & A comp. match (ie stand alone no pre or post male game, & non international) is now within sight. "Perth, can you do it?" etc. A potential massive boost for the AFLW in particular, & female AF in general. If the world record of c.53,000 is broken, the AFLW will obtain an incredibly valuable free & ongoing publicity goldmine!

Also announce the Aust. 1929 AO female stand alone match record (for any female team match) of 41,000 will be broken. It was an AF Charity Match, no SANFL games that weekend.

PUMP IT UP, AFL...PUMP IT UP!

EDIT:
Cricket appears to have started very early, cf. the the AFLW, in CA's "campaign" for a female Aust. record stand alone match crowd at the MCG on 8.3. 2020. And a world record also? Why has CA gone so early on its crowd record claim?
Stand alone women's cricket matches in Aust. have attracted very modest crowds. I doubt the 1929 Aust. record of 41,000 will be broken.

www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/mcg-could-break-world-record-for-womens-sporting-event-after-landing-world-twenty20-finals-20180129-h0q0r5.html

 

[BringBackTorps]

A new AFLW Official app launched today and it’s pretty cool.
Check it out:
http://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-01-24/aflw-stream-all-games-live-on-new-official-app

The afl.com article states "Last year, some 2.6 million minutes of the AFLW competition were streamed through the AFL Live Apps in the opening Round (of 4 games-my words)".

How does this AFLW 2.6 million minutes compare with 4 matches in an "average" AFL H & A Round; ditto NRL Round, of 4 matches?

 

[nobbyiscool]

ABC radio this morning saying over 40,000 tickets sold for Freo V Collingwood Round 2 at the Cray pot.

Sold?

Are games not free entry this season?

 

[drunkill]

Sold?

Are games not free entry this season?

All games are free, except the round 2 match at perth stadium. It was expected that this would be the first sporting even there but the cricket beat it.

Sold so they know how many people to expect and how many staff to put on as it is still a 'trial run' for all the behind the scenes stuff before regular matches get played there.

It is only a $2 entry which goes to charity, which honestly should be all aflw matches anyway, gold coin donation for entry, help fund grass roots girls footy and a charity or two.

 

[BringBackTorps]

SEN Melb. Radio 31.1 Whateley Program

G.McLachlan said "It will be a big buzz if we get 50,000 in Perth (for Freo. v. Coll. -my words), that will be a big deal. We've sold 40,000, close to 50,000, when you break the world record for a crowd outside the Olympics, that will be a thing".

It appears, therefore, the AFL is fully aware of the historic, momentous nature & significance if the AFLW breaks the female world record crowd for a H & A stand alone match. Hopefully, they will pump up this potential world record up prior to the game.

McLachlan also said:-

. "AFLW players say there is a 30% increase in standard".
I consider a 30% increase, in only 1 year, is extraordinary. How likely is it that the general standard could increase by 30% so quickly?
. "The Winter Olympics is a big thing for Channel 7 , they paid a lot for it".
He went on to imply this may cause Ch. 7 to inhibit some of their promotion/coverage of the AFLW & AFLX. This would be very disappointing (my words).

Whateley later interviewed J. Sutherland, CA CEO.
Sutherland said:-

. "CA is keen to expand the BBL to a full H & A model of 59 games, before it adds more BBL teams; but further discussions are required with players & broadcasters" (He responded to Whateley's comments re possible BBL expansion; that many BBL T20 players are keen to move quickly from early Feb., to play overseas in other international, lucrative T20 tournaments; & that this year, the BBL lost some interest).

Expanding the BBL into Feb. would definitely impact negatively on the AFLW & AFLX crowds & ratings, a big challenge for the AFL -my words.

. "CA is considering moving the WBBL to Oct. & Nov., to give it more clear media air; & provide it with much greater TV coverage".

. "It is likely more WBBL games will be played away from the central city principal cricket grounds -to the suburbs & Regions, where they have attracted good crowds. Camberwell (? -my exclamation) in Melb. got 4,000."

 

[nobbyiscool]

"AFLW players say there is a 30% increase in standard".
I consider a 30% increase, in only 1 year, is extraordinary. How likely is it that the general standard could increase by 30% so quickly?

I think we saw a rapid increase in quality in the WBBL this season. The huge increase in professionalism (ie. money) following the new CBA is probably the biggest contributer, which isn't relevant to AFLW - but I think it demonstrates that such a rapid increase is possible.

 

[jatz14]

I think we saw a rapid increase in quality in the WBBL this season. The huge increase in professionalism (ie. money) following the new CBA is probably the biggest contributer, which isn't relevant to AFLW - but I think it demonstrates that such a rapid increase is possible.

Its a simple numbers game. My club got 15 new women to its women's team first info session (teams first year was last year).

Report is, a lot had not played, outside school, before, but the basic skills of catching and kicking were still a step up from last year.

Add to that, the club has 5 players in the WA academy women's program.

The team will be better this year. The experienced players have had some high level coaching. They still have novices, but they seem better athletically than last year's novices. Greater depth means competition for spots.

This is being replicated all over the country.

Then factor in, there is now a pyramid, with better players being funnelled up. Previously it was quite a flat structure, players just went to their local club, and played whatever level that was.



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[NoobPie]

I think we saw a rapid increase in quality in the WBBL this season. The huge increase in professionalism (ie. money) following the new CBA is probably the biggest contributer, which isn't relevant to AFLW - but I think it demonstrates that such a rapid increase is possible.

Actually, I don't think player salary has much to do with it all, certainly not in the short term. The cricket players had a decent step change announced a month of so out from the season which lifted the average from 22K to 46K if you played both state and WBBL. Unlikely it is going to change anyone's decision to play or apply themselves much bar perhaps a handful it may have shifted the marginal decision to work full time or not.

The improvement in the AFLW will be driven by the professionalism of their training and the resources going in to their development far far more than whether they are getting paid $10K or $40K, particularly in the short term.

 

[The_Wookie]

Actually, I don't think player salary has much to do with it all, certainly not in the short term. The cricket players had a decent step change announced a month of so out from the season which lifted the average from 22K to 46K if you played both state and WBBL. Unlikely it is going to change anyone's decision to play or apply themselves much bar perhaps a handful it may have shifted the marginal decision to work full time or not.

The improvement in the AFLW will be driven by the professionalism of their training and the resources going in to their development far far more than whether they are getting paid $10K or $40K, particularly in the short term.

Improvement is also going to come from the fact that more players are drafted from actual football club competition (and not just half a season johnny come latelys as it were) and the womens tac comp instead of the headline grabbing cross coder epidemic we had in season 1.

 

[NoobPie]

Improvement is also going to come from the fact that more players are drafted from actual football club competition (and not just half a season johnny come latelys as it were) and the womens tac comp instead of the headline grabbing cross coder epidemic we had in season 1.

Not sure about other teams but Collingwood seems to have more "code hoppers" this season than last season

Obviously with Ash Brasill, she had to be drafted through normal means because she had played recently.... but we have two new "rookies" this year - Georgie Parker from Hockey and Eliza Hynes from Volleyball - who replace our two from last year. The only thing that could be said about our code hoppers this year is they are of a higher quality. Our top pick in the draft - chloe molloy - has only one year back in the system after stopping footy to focus on basketball in her teens

If other teams are like Collingwood than the extent of the code-hopping was greatly exaggerated and roughly the same as last year

 

[jatz14]

Not sure about other teams but Collingwood seems to have more "code hoppers" this season than last season

Obviously with Ash Brasill, she had to be drafted through normal means because she had played recently.... but we have two new "rookies" this year - Georgie Parker from Hockey and Eliza Hynes from Volleyball - who replace our two from last year. The only thing that could be said about our code hoppers this year is they are of a higher quality. Our top pick in the draft - chloe molloy - has only one year back in the system after stopping footy to focus on basketball in her teens

If other teams are like Collingwood than the extent of the code-hopping was greatly exaggerated and roughly the same as last year

We will continue to have code hoppers, but they will increasingly need to be able to demonstrate they bring something useful. Brasill was known to be a gun on the basis of what footy she had played, Parker likewise.

What we have less of is speculative code hoppers, taken by clubs just because they could be.

Freo for instance only has 1 this year I think. The code hoppers remaining from last year had all played WAWFL in 2016, and then again last year.

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[CrowdedHouse]

We will continue to have code hoppers, but they will increasingly need to be able to demonstrate they bring something useful. Brasill was known to be a gun on the basis of what footy she had played, Parker likewise.

What we have less of is speculative code hoppers, taken by clubs just because they could be.

Freo for instance only has 1 this year I think. The code hoppers remaining from last year had all played WAWFL in 2016, and then again last year.

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Actually, Parker has never played footy before.

 

[jatz14]

Actually, Parker has never played footy before.

I did hear she was very good, so she impressed them in some way.

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[LeverPuller]

The other thing you need to remember is that the players would likely stay on club-developed fitness regimes after the season. 6 months of that advice coupled with the coaching links...yeah, its exciting.

 

[The_Wookie]

The other thing you need to remember is that the players would likely stay on club-developed fitness regimes after the season. 6 months of that advice coupled with the coaching links...yeah, its exciting.

People have to remember that players literally joined clubs 8 weeks before season 1. Prior to that very limited access to professional training and resources. Players retained on contracts over the offseason will have had the aforementioned programs in place, while still playing state level footy.

We're going to see a big uplift in skills this year.

 

[BringBackTorps]

SEN Melb. Radio 1.2 Kornes Program
D. Vescio said, re 2018 season cf. 2017 "...girls are fitter, stronger...have spent more time in the gym...have a better core...women have sharper angles, have different builds (implying core strength exercises are being done to minimise chances of serious knee injuries -my words)".

H/Sun 31.1 wrote, re AFLW Rd 2 Freo. v. Coll. game, McLachlan said he expected the crowd "to push 50,000".

 

[zucchini]

I hope so, because if the skills are as poor as last year the future is grim and the public will soon lose interest in sub standard football.

 

[JB1975]

There was a marked improvement in the standard of play even during the course of the 2017 season. If the quality can improve over 8 rounds of footy, then I've got no doubt that the quality will take a good leap this year.

 

[BringBackTorps]

Not sure if this has been reported before -but H/Sun (A Whalley) 2.2 wrote that NAB's AFLW sponsorship has never been publicly disclosed: bit it is believed to be 3 yrs @ $3,000,000 pa. ie total $9,000,000
NAB has also stated that the acceptance & popularity of the AFLW has far exceeded their expectations, & provides exposure to different markets.
We can assume there will be a significant increase in AFLW sponsorship in 2019 -from all their sponsors.

Elsewhere in the H/Sun, it stated:-
. it was estimated the broadcasting Rights could be $30,000,000 for the AFLW in 2019. I assume this would be an annual amount.

. S. Hocking, re the AFL, had strong views about the game style and the "look of the game", but would spend 2018 considering those views.
Hocking also said the AFL would revamp Auskick to include more short games and encouragement for children considering other entertainment options (30% of current Auskick players are female)

.Scoring remains at a 50 year low and many coaches believe rapid interchange and a focus on tackling leading to too much congestion.
(These 2 above points from Ralph article)

 

[jatz14]

Not sure if this has been reported before -but H/Sun (A Whalley) 2.2 wrote that NAB's AFLW sponsorship has never been publicly disclosed: bit it is believed to be 3 yrs @ $3,000,000 pa. ie total $9,000,000
NAB has also stated that the acceptance & popularity of the AFLW has far exceeded their expectations, & provides exposure to different markets.
We can assume there will be a significant increase in AFLW sponsorship in 2019 -from all their sponsors.

Elsewhere in the H/Sun, it stated:-
. it was estimated the broadcasting Rights could be $30,000,000 for the AFLW in 2019. I assume this would be an annual amount.

. S. Hocking, re the AFL, had strong views about the game style and the "look of the game", but would spend 2018 considering those views.
Hocking also said the AFL would revamp Auskick to include more short games and encouragement for children considering other entertainment options (30% of current Auskick players are female)

.Scoring remains at a 50 year low and many coaches believe rapid interchange and a focus on tackling leading to too much congestion.
(These 2 above points from Ralph article)

I have always taken estimations of the value of the broadcast rights with a grain of salt. For a start, people keep saying they are free currently, but they are not free, putting the broadcasts on costs a fair bit. Secondly, and more significantly, the A league was talking those sort of numbers for about 3 times as many games, and eventually had to give the free to air rights away. Fox is paying that sort of money for the pay rights, but again, its for a lot more content.

 

[Marcus DuQuesne]

I have always taken estimations of the value of the broadcast rights with a grain of salt. For a start, people keep saying they are free currently, but they are not free, putting the broadcasts on costs a fair bit. Secondly, and more significantly, the A league was talking those sort of numbers for about 3 times as many games, and eventually had to give the free to air rights away. Fox is paying that sort of money for the pay rights, but again, its for a lot more content.

First impressions are the standard is not up on last year ....30% I read earlier is rubbish. I think it will be 5 years before a reasonable standard is reached. The grounds appear to big for the women. Not much penetration in the kicking..mmm long way to go but I am happy to say they will get better but paying them more is NOT the answer.