News Alberton Oval Redevelopment

[*PAF]

All the towers are the same height.

They don't need to be.
We could save money by installing lights on top of the goal and point posts.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Apparently our function rooms have been renovated

 

[Doctor Feel]

It'd be nice to hear some more news about the Alberton redevelopment. It's been 4 months since the initial announcement with no further details. It would be good to know if the election cost us the funding or not, and with a federal election looming sooner rather than later we may lose the federal funding too if it isn't locked and loaded.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

It'd be nice to hear some more news about the Alberton redevelopment. It's been 4 months since the initial announcement with no further details. It would be good to know if the election cost us the funding or not, and with a federal election looming sooner rather than later we may lose the federal funding too if it isn't locked and loaded.

The Libs refused to commit funds, it was only Labor and the X Men who said they would provide funding. So there is no state government funding.

 

[charcolechaddy]

Where isX man??

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Where isX man??

He's returned to the Xenophon Institute for Higher Learning

 

[Pt Augusta Power]

no way liberals will commit a cent to any Alberton redevelopment. never gonna happen once labour lost the election.

 

[Chrizzt]

It'd be nice to hear some more news about the Alberton redevelopment. It's been 4 months since the initial announcement with no further details. It would be good to know if the election cost us the funding or not, and with a federal election looming sooner rather than later we may lose the federal funding too if it isn't locked and loaded.

Be interesting if the loss of the Port Adelaide seat and federal zone redistribution has an effect on federal funding.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

It'd be nice to hear some more news about the Alberton redevelopment. It's been 4 months since the initial announcement with no further details. It would be good to know if the election cost us the funding or not, and with a federal election looming sooner rather than later we may lose the federal funding too if it isn't locked and loaded.

Here's the bottom line - they have bugger all private funding committed to the project.

Koch had the chance to talk about it at the AGM and the Members Convention but said its a long term goal, ie he said nothing else and it was real world speak for - we don't have the dough committed.

Then the politicians in a bid to win votes committed for the election. $6mil by Nick X and $8mil by Jay and given $4m from the feds in July last year, it meant we had to raise over $20+m from the private sector.

Ask yourself this basic question - where are we going to get $31m from now that the Libs wont match the other 2 parties funding commitment??

Oh and if you read Lockhart Road's recent China post you will get another hint as to why we wont hear much more for awhile.

If the Mr X and Premier weren't so interesting in buying votes in March, we wouldn't have heard anything much about the precinct in 2018 or probably 2019.

 

[Doctor Feel]

Here's the bottom line - they have bugger all private funding committed to the project.

Koch had the chance to talk about it at the AGM and the Members Convention but said its a long term goal, ie he said nothing else and it was real world speak for - we don't have the dough committed.

Then the politicians in a bid to win votes committed for the election. $6mil by Nick X and $8mil by Jay and given $4m from the feds in July last year, it meant we had to raise over $20+m from the private sector.

Ask yourself this basic question - where are we going to get $31m from now that the Libs wont match the other 2 parties funding commitment??

Oh and if you read Lockhart Road's recent China post you will get another hint as to why we wont hear much more for awhile.

If the Mr X and Premier weren't so interesting in buying votes in March, we wouldn't have heard anything much about the precinct in 2018 or probably 2019.

This is what I figured but was hoping otherwise. No idea why we pulled the trigger on even announcing it at all. We didn't really need to. Maybe we were pressured by the Government to lobby votes.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

This is what I figured but was hoping otherwise. No idea why we pulled the trigger on even announcing it at all. We didn't really need to. Maybe we were pressured by the Government to lobby votes.

Mr X and the Premier would have insisted that we talk about it if they were going to make a public promise for that amount of money. Would have looked dumb if you could go to their websites and see these promises, but Port not acknowledge anything.

 

[Lockhart Road]

Here's the bottom line - they have bugger all private funding committed to the project.

Koch had the chance to talk about it at the AGM and the Members Convention but said its a long term goal, ie he said nothing else and it was real world speak for - we don't have the dough committed.

Then the politicians in a bid to win votes committed for the election. $6mil by Nick X and $8mil by Jay and given $4m from the feds in July last year, it meant we had to raise over $20+m from the private sector.

Ask yourself this basic question - where are we going to get $31m from now that the Libs wont match the other 2 parties funding commitment??

Oh and if you read Lockhart Road's recent China post you will get another hint as to why we wont hear much more for awhile.

If the Mr X and Premier weren't so interesting in buying votes in March, we wouldn't have heard anything much about the precinct in 2018 or probably 2019.

REH was a dedicated thread opened at the time?
If not, could you open one now, starting with the Doctor’s and your recent posts?
Also a copy of the Club’s detailed March announcement on the website which was accompanied by a Q&A.
This is a priority project between now and the 2020 150th celebrations. For myself, I am keen for the Club to establish a special committee whose charter will be to raise the necessary funding from private and commercial sources, and which will include, if the Club sees it as it should, one or two potential future PAFC directors.
I could open the thread myself, but I want to get deeply involved in this project and foresee a conflict of interest with regard to confidentiality farther down the track.
Many thanks mate.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

REH was a dedicated thread opened at the time?
If not, could you open one now, starting with the Doctor’s and your recent posts?
Also a copy of the Club’s detailed March announcement on the website which was accompanied by a Q&A.
This is a priority project between now and the 2020 150th celebrations. For myself, I am keen for the Club to establish a special committee whose charter will be to raise the necessary funding from private and commercial sources, and which will include, if the Club sees it as it should, one or two potential future PAFC directors.
I could open the thread myself, but I want to get deeply involved in this project and foresee a conflict of interest with regard to confidentiality farther down the track.
Many thanks mate.

This is the dedicated thread started on 10th March after Jay's funding announcement and we discussed it for 4 weeks or so.

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...cinct-development-plans-for-alberton.1187989/

 

[Doctor Feel]

Bump. As per posts in the let's talk ports thread.

Not much going on in this space unfortunately.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Posted this in the general AFL thread but had finished the first paragraph and then heard Smithson on the radio talk about the political drama around the crows potential move to North Adelaide. It has some ramification for Alberton redevelopment so I have copied it here as well.

Crowies getting a bit excited about the prospect of moving to the North Adelaide Aquatic centre. With the ACC not prepared to spend money up keeping it, it will get thru as it won't require much change to the existing building footprint to upset the North Adelaide residence. But they will whinge anyway.

Now by fluke I turned on the radio at 11am and was listening to 5AA and was ready to turn it over when they said, and we have Mike Smithson on the line.

Smithson reckons this might all be part of an upcoming shit fight involving government monies and a capital development fund with state government, SMA, ACC, Port and the crows all getting involved.

Basic argument Smithson said, is if the crows move to North Adelaide, they will want capital grants to improve the centre, if they get that, actually even if they don't, they will just get a long term lease from the ACC, not buy it, it means ACC don't have to fund the annual $800k loss, don't have the larger capital expenditure issues down the track re crumbling infrastructure, and part of this deal will be the ACC to withdraw their objection and let the AO Hotel thru, and Port are then going to say to the state government, hang on if you are providing capital grants to the crows for facilities, how about us? Might be a way to get that $8m that Weatherill had committed to the Alberton Oval precinct redevelopment as his election pledge.

This will all play out over the next 12~18~24 months.

The other thing in the mix will be Commonwealth Games bid. Talk has previously been that Adelaide would seriously bid for 2030 or 2034 if they miss out on 2030. But something I read earlier in the week, think in the Australian, said that Canada will probably get 2030 games as last time they hosted was 1994, so Adelaide might bid for 2026 instead. The Olympic Games vote 7 years before an Olympics for host city rights, the Comm Games vote 5 to 6 years before because the infrastructure commitment isn't as big.

So it makes sense for the crows, for this not to go thru for another 12 to 18 months, just chip away at it, until the Comm games decision is made. The government wont upgrade the swimming facility at North Adelaide for the Comm Games, as Marion would be used, but it might become a venue for other indoor sports, and therefore the government would throw plenty of money at it.

Edit - missed this story in the Tiser on 31st January that Adelaide is the Australian Commonwealth Games Association’s preferred bid city, even though the government hasn't committed to it.

https://outline.com/3HUhk7
Adelaide is in the box seat to host the 2026 Commonwealth Games — but the Marshall Government is yet to commit to a costings study. A new report shows the Commonwealth Games Federation made a second trip to Adelaide in December, endorsing its existing infrastructure and hosting capabilities as almost “Games-ready”. The Advertiser has been told that Adelaide is the Australian Commonwealth Games Association’s (ACGA) preferred city over Sydney and Perth to bid for the 2026 Games, with the 2022 event to be held in Birmingham, England, and the 2030 Games set to go to Canada. An Office of Recreation and Sport paper outlining the pros and cons of hosting the Games has gone to Cabinet but the Government is yet to commit to a costings report that will ultimately decide whether it puts its hand up for the 12-day event.

 

[Forzaport]

The Aquatic Centre is a better option than having a giant Crow head plastered on the side of Adelaide Oval. Whatever happens, hopefully Port's development isn't forgotten.

 

[Lagooner]

The Aquatic Centre is a better option than having a giant Crow head plastered on the side of Adelaide Oval. Whatever happens, hopefully Port's development isn't forgotten.

I’m pretty sure there was some agreement as part of the AO development that prevented either club from permanently “branding” it in any way.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I’m pretty sure there was some agreement as part of the AO development that prevented either club from permanently “branding” it in any way.

I dont know about that, but the indoor cricket facility - Neil Dansie centre, was supposed to be the new "shed" which was to branded in Port colours and themes for Port games and the same for crows games and hold up to 3,000 people.

But the SMA pricing was bullshit, the cost and amount of work to change it over from a cricket training facility to an entertainment facility once a week was very expensive and the SACA were pissed off with the potential damage to the indoor pitches.

That's why we set up the GDV at the Tennis Centre and the SMA were pissed off and did everything they could to shut it down.

 

[Magus]

So any news on the Alberton redevelopment? Has KT hinted that there would be some big news some time in the future?

 

[Doctor Feel]

So any news on the Alberton redevelopment? Has KT hinted that there would be some big news some time in the future?

None. Not even a whisper. The only recent news is that the Port Club is getting a redevelopment.

 

[Lagooner]

I dont know about that, but the indoor cricket facility - Neil Dansie centre, was supposed to be the new "shed" which was to branded in Port colours and themes for Port games and the same for crows games and hold up to 3,000 people.

But the SMA pricing was bullshit, the cost and amount of work to change it over from a cricket training facility to an entertainment facility once a week was very expensive and the SACA were pissed off with the potential damage to the indoor pitches.

That's why we set up the GDV at the Tennis Centre and the SMA were pissed off and did everything they could to shut it down.

The game day branding is fine, we do plenty of that with the LED signage and banners and what not, but I do remember something about permanent branding being a no no as is the sale of the Adelaide Oval name for corporate sponsorship.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

The game day branding is fine, we do plenty of that with the LED signage and banners and what not, but I do remember something about permanent branding being a no no as is the sale of the Adelaide Oval name for corporate sponsorship.

Keeping the Adelaide Oval name is in the Adelaide Oval Redevelopment and Management Act - section 4 - so I guess it makes sense that there would be some clause in one or more of the agreements or licenses the 2 clubs, SANFL, SMA, SACA and government had to sign that would prohibit permanent branding.

 

[Alberton Proud]

So Yasser Shahin flying around Adelaide circuit atm
Who do they support?
OTR on Crows shorts last year
Anything there for us ?

 

[Forzaport]

I’m pretty sure there was some agreement as part of the AO development that prevented either club from permanently “branding” it in any way.

I was thinking along the lines of the Crows building some monstrosity that is technically not part of Adelaide Oval but close enough to piss all over that agreement.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I was thinking along the lines of the Crows building some monstrosity that is technically not part of Adelaide Oval but close enough to piss all over that agreement.

That would be the Next Generation Gym to the west of Tennis Centre that would fit that bill. There is nowhere else that it could be done within 500m of AO stadium walls that the council would let get built on the Parklands.

They tried Adelaide Uni Oval where the disused tennis courts are, near the grandstand and change rooms, and were told to piss off by the ACC.

So the questions are; who owns the land the Next Generation Gym is built on? Who owns the building? Is there a lease? If so, who are the landlord and tenant, and when does that end or the options end?

The crows would not have the funds to buy it outright, but they do to take over the lease. Let them take over the North Adelaide Aquatic Centre. That is a messy enough long term exercise.