Mega Thread All AOD-9604 Discussion - Still Illegal but ASADA will not press charges on AOD9604 - McDevitt

[tigerfan11]

how do you know it's not the case? Simple. You don't.

how do i know what's not the case? that the investigator told the players they won't be charged? i never said that didn't happen. i just find it amazing (and irresponsible imo) if it did. as for the rest of my post, that is just fact.

 

[SunshineBoy]

A half-truth is a deceptive statement that includes some element of truth. The statement might be partly true, the statement may be totally true but only part of the whole truth, or it may utilize some deceptive element, such as improper punctuation, or double meaning, especially if the intent is to deceive, evade, blame or misrepresent the truth

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-truth

very good you can use Wikipedia., is james telling half truths?

 

[Lance Uppercut]

the trouble is too many people take no comment or silence as guilt, says a lot about the modern media and society when we are supposidly innocent until proven guilty.

I would like to hear ASADA give some indication of the time frame remaining at the very least, i get they dont care, but if they said we expect to conclude in 2 weeks it may help stop some of the mud slinging.

Right now Hird like any member of society in any situation has the right to a presumption of being innocent, but he is copping a lot of stuff that will stick and that is not right nor fair.

exactly right mate. Good post. If he has a case to answer so be it, but the public beating on him is shit. Including on here. But what are you going to do? The mob will speak.

 

[jenny61_99]

what do you think he has to say that at every comment does he? I find it amusing that the few things he has dared to say in his defence (I'm shocked to be sitting here; we'll be in a good place) are held against him with such viscious zeal.

Because they are frankly stupid things to say.

 

[Sector 7G]

everything else important has been leaked has it? Don't you see how circular that logic is? We know about everything, except that which we do not know about.

Fairly typical that you view the media coverage of the investigation as the actual investigation.

I ask again. Where do you expect to hear whether or not the players have contacted ASADA? Any chance of a real answer?

 

[Lance Uppercut]

very good you can use Wikipedia., is james telling half truths?

I'm not wasting any more time on a sad little troll who has a picture of James Hird and a needle as his avatar. Enjoy your sad little life and have your sad little fun making your stupid comments - I'm opting out

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Because they are frankly stupid things to say.

there it is. You say that without knowing why he's saying it. Emblematic of the entire point I'm making.

 

[tigerfan11]

and not discussing the information he has or why the allegations are wrong. FFS it's not hard mate

lol i was just stating that he actually did express a viewpoint.....he denies the allegations. that's not too hard to understand either. i actually wasn't potting him.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

exactly who I was picturing as I wrote it

 

[lucas matthysse]

that bolded statement isn't actually correct. read the code. it's why i find it hard to believe the investigator would tell the players they won't be sanctioned (not cos i believe they will/should be, but because it's an investigation process, the result of which sanctions could be given). it's also why WADA say "if it's in your system, you're gone". there are actually very few defences to having a banned substance in your system. under the code even an "honest and reasonable mistake" isn't a defence which, in relation to strict liability offences as they apply under the general law (eg crime), such a mistake is a defence.

Sorry, this is my area of livelihood and wanted to clarify something which has bugged me.

If you read the ASADA Act 2006 it clearly states that ASADA can modify any international code in its discretion.

Asada is the relevant authority in this country, nobody else. Legally speaking, WADA and anybody else who isnt Asada, does not have authority in this country.

Whately is correct, what ASADA (being the authority) state is law in this country, until they, at their absolute discretion, changes that.

 

[Kaiser Powser]

Lol at people, including Barrett, that can't tell the difference between commenting on the investigation and commenting on the media's coverage of the investigation.

I think he just prefers a target that can't bite back.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Sorry, this is my area of livelihood and wanted to clarify something which has bugged me.

If you read the ASADA Act 2006 it clearly states that ASADA can modify any international code in its discretion.

Asada is the relevant authority in this country, nobody else. Legally speaking, WADA and anybody else who isnt Asada, does not have authority in this country.

Whately is correct, what ASADA (being the authority) state is law in this country, until they, at their absolute discretion, changes that.

strong first post

 

[Kaiser Powser]

Sorry, this is my area of livelihood and wanted to clarify something which has bugged me.

If you read the ASADA Act 2006 it clearly states that ASADA can modify any international code in its discretion.

Asada is the relevant authority in this country, nobody else. Legally speaking, WADA and anybody else who isnt Asada, does not have authority in this country.

Whately is correct, what ASADA (being the authority) state is law in this country, until they, at their absolute discretion, changes that.

This should be mandatory reading for most of this board. Mods should sticky this or something.

 

[tigerfan11]

Sorry, this is my area of livelihood and wanted to clarify something which has bugged me.

If you read the ASADA Act 2006 it clearly states that ASADA can modify any international code in its discretion.

Asada is the relevant authority in this country, nobody else. Legally speaking, WADA and anybody else who isnt Asada, does not have authority in this country.

Whately is correct, what ASADA (being the authority) state is law in this country, until they, at their absolute discretion, changes that.

sorry i'm talking about the AFL anti-doping code, not WADA's code. and under the AFL code, WADA do have authority in relation to any proceedings brought against fa player for doping, that being they can appeal to the Appeals Board or CAS.

 

[Blind Turn]

A half-truth is a deceptive statement that includes some element of truth. The statement might be partly true, the statement may be totally true but only part of the whole truth, or it may utilize some deceptive element, such as improper punctuation, or double meaning, especially if the intent is to deceive, evade, blame or misrepresent the truth

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-truth

Don't waste your time educating the simple-minded Lance. Seriously, if anyone thinks a half-truth equates to 'beings little bit pregnant' then they are obviously incapable of debating this topic with any real perspective.

 

[SunshineBoy]

ahhh trolls the lance Armstrong defence

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Don't waste your time educating the simple-minded Lance. Seriously, if anyone thinks a half-truth equates to 'beings little bit pregnant' then they are obviously incapable of debating this topic with any real perspective.

so true

 

[jenny61_99]

there it is. You say that without knowing why he's saying it. Emblematic of the entire point I'm making.

Only if you believe the point you are making is a valid one.

 

[tigerfan11]

This should be mandatory reading for most of this board. Mods should sticky this or something.

even though it is actually incorrect

 

[jenny61_99]

even though it is actually incorrect

factually incorrect?

 

[Kaiser Powser]

sorry i'm talking about the AFL anti-doping code, not WADA's code. and under the AFL code, WADA do have authority in relation to any proceedings brought against fa player for doping, that being they can appeal to the Appeals Board or CAS.

WADA themselves advised Dank that ASADA will determine the legality of AOD. I'm going to go with what came straight from the horses mouth on this one.

And if you think WADA will actually appeal a decision made by ASADA, specifically in relation to a non-international sport, it just aint gunna happen. For starters it would erode all faith in ASADA, they may as well shut up shop.

 

[The King!]

i thought this would be long done and dusted by now when the story first broke.

 

[tigerfan11]

factually incorrect?

i did think of changing it to that but wasn't sure if our EFC fans would be interested in such trivialities

 

[The King!]

WADA themselves advised Dank that ASADA will determine the legality of AOD. I'm going to go with what came straight from the horses mouth on this one.

And if you think WADA will actually appeal a decision made by ASADA, specifically in relation to a non-international sport, it just aint gunna happen. For starters it would erode all faith in ASADA, they may as well shut up shop.

speaking of Dank, he never has to speak to anyone is that correct? because no longer employed at a sporting club

 

[Leather Poisoning]

Lol at people, including Barrett, that can't tell the difference between commenting on the investigation and commenting on the media's coverage of the investigation.

I think he just prefers a target that can't bite back.

Essendon can comment.
Hird commented when he said they'd be in a very good position.

The Ziggy report, which was presented by Evans spoke of a pharmaceutically experiment environment with exotic substances. "Things went on in our club that we didn't know about and weren't documented properly". This is all about the supplement program being investigated.

Evans made public comment that they have not conceded takin banned substances, while there is an investigation about them taking banned substances.

Jobe commented, bizarrely, to say that he thinks he took one of the drugs under investigation

Evans commented when he said mused over the legality of AOD (we are not sure if we took it, if we did its not performance enhancing, if it is performance enhancing then it's not long lasting). Again, more public comment from the club about a drug being investigated.

Evans responding to the claims that Hird was warned not to embark on the supplement program now being investigated.

Correct me if I'm wrong - but this all sounds a lot like Essendon representatives passing comment on the investigation.