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Dictionary definitions are basically the last grasp.Sorry mate - I think the courts would disagree with you.
Addressed does not mean prohibited.
Here's what Macquarie says Address (as a verb) means:
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Dictionary definitions are basically the last grasp.Sorry mate - I think the courts would disagree with you.
Addressed does not mean prohibited.
Here's what Macquarie says Address (as a verb) means:
Really? Still sticking with that? Well I guess we'll eventually find out, but I've had enough trying to explain plain English, in black and white, clear as day what the code says. You're clearly not grasping it, nor are you going to.Sorry mate - I think the courts would disagree with you.
Interesting, but totally irrelevant. The AFL anti-doping code refers to the WADA prohibited list and allows for any updates by WADA to be automatically included. ASADA has no role in determining what's on the list for the purposes of the AFL anti-doping code that I can see.
It doesn't matter what Fahey has to say on the matter.
lol deluded poster. It would amaze me if you believed what you posted
Dictionary definitions are basically the last grasp.
Really? Still sticking with that? Well I guess we'll eventually find out, but I've had enough trying to explain plain English, in black and white, clear as day what the code says. You're clearly not grasping it, nor are you going to.
Article 24 - Interpretation of the code
24.4 - The headings used for the various Parts and Articles of the Code are for convenience only and shall not be deemed part of the substance of the Code or to affect in any way the language of the provisions to which they refer.
Nevertheless, I note that when all you you debate me on the exact wording of S0 and S2, you all feel obliged to add in additional wording NOT found in the provisions we are discussing - and then accuse me of making stuff up!!
Hmmm....
The WADA code. You know, the document that everyone agrees to follow to be part of the AFL. The one that the Prohibited list is part of?What are the rest of you doing to back up your weak arguments?
I have conducted investigations in the past (non-police) and if I did this the preliminary findings would be scrapped and a different investigator assigned to a case as there would have been a violation of procedural fairness in the investigation conduct.I would also like to hear for someone who is familiar with police investigations and the kind of things that can be said whilst investigating / interviewing accused or persons of Interest. Can an investigator say things that are "not quite true" (kinda like Barkly St End in these threads) in order to trick them into admitting they did carry out illegal activities? And I plead with other posters that only those who know respond this question. No guesses please.
No. Read the wording of the actual sections. The headings are there to help sort them.In other words - ignore the wording - FAhey will make it up as he goes.
Hmmm...
This would be where I remind you of your pathetic attempts last week to insist peptides needed to have an anabolic effect to be banned under s2, despite that not being anywhere in the 'black letter' wording of s2.
All I can do is quote S2 again, afterall, I appear to be the only one referring directly to the exact wording of S0 and S2.
S2. Peptide Hormones, Growth Factors and Related Substances
- The following substances and their releasing factors are prohibited:
and other substances with similar chemical structure or similar biological effect(s).
- Erythropoiesis-Stimulating Agents [e.g. erythropoietin (EPO), darbepoetin (dEPO), hypoxia-inducible factor (HIF) stabilizers, methoxy polyethylene glycol-epoetin beta (CERA), peginesatide (Hematide)]
- Chorionic Gonadotrophin (CG) and Luteinizing Hormone (LH) in males
- Corticotrophins
- Growth Hormone (GH), Insulin-like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1), Fibroblast Growth Factors (FGFs), Hepatocyte Growth Factor (HGF), Mechano Growth Factors (MGFs), Platelet-Derived Growth Factor (PDGF), Vascular-Endothelial Growth Factor (VEGF) as well as any other growth factor affecting muscle, tendon or ligament protein synthesis/degradation, vascularisation, energy utilization, regenerative capacity or fibre type switching
So where does it mention AOD? And if you say in the catch all, then it's under the first part of the sentence "The following substances and their releasing factors are prohibited:". Remebering 24.4 of the WADA code says headings are for convenience only, and not deemed part of the substance of the code.All I can do is quote S2 again, afterall, I appear to be the only one referring directly to the exact wording of S0 and S2.
S2. Peptide Hormones, Growth Factors and Related Substances
- The following substances and their releasing factors are prohibited:
and other substances with similar chemical structure or similar biological effect(s).
- Erythropoiesis-Stimulating Agents [e.g. erythropoietin (EPO), darbepoetin (dEPO), hypoxia-inducible factor (HIF) stabilizers, methoxy polyethylene glycol-epoetin beta (CERA), peginesatide (Hematide)]
- Chorionic Gonadotrophin (CG) and Luteinizing Hormone (LH) in males
- Corticotrophins
- Growth Hormone (GH), Insulin-like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1), Fibroblast Growth Factors (FGFs), Hepatocyte Growth Factor (HGF), Mechano Growth Factors (MGFs), Platelet-Derived Growth Factor (PDGF), Vascular-Endothelial Growth Factor (VEGF) as well as any other growth factor affecting muscle, tendon or ligament protein synthesis/degradation, vascularisation, energy utilization, regenerative capacity or fibre type switching
So where does it mention AOD? And if you say in the catch all, then it's under the first part of the sentence "The following substances and their releasing factors are prohibited:". Remebering 24.4 of the WADA code says headings are for convenience only, and not deemed part of the substance of the code.
Sorry mate - I think the courts would disagree with you.
Addressed does not mean prohibited.
Here's what Macquarie says Address (as a verb) means:
verb
(t)
9. to make a formal speech to: the leader addressed the assembly.
10. to speak to (someone who holds an official position, such as a judge, governor-general, etc.), using their formal title: he began his speech by addressing the governor-general.
11. to direct to the ear or attention: to address a warning to someone.
12. to direct for delivery; put a direction on: to address a letter.
13. to deal with (a problem, question, etc.): these are the issues you should address in your essay.
14. to pay court to; woo; court.
15. Golf to adjust and apply the club to (the ball) in preparing for a stroke.
16. Obsolete to give direction to; aim.
17. Obsolete to prepare.
AOD, being a peptide, is addressed by S2.
Both WADA and ASADA have addressed it as an S2 matter.
There is no recourse to S0 - it's in the exact wording of S0 itself.
Because if the substance would have been specifically listed in the code, then that's the section it would have been.I'll answer your question this way.
Why did ASADA and WADA refer to S2 in the first instance when asked about AOD?
I'll answer your question this way.
Why did ASADA and WADA refer to S2 in the first instance when asked about AOD?
1. Where in that section does it use the word 'anabolic'?All I can do is quote S2 again, afterall, I appear to be the only one referring directly to the exact wording of S0 and S2.
S2. Peptide Hormones, Growth Factors and Related Substances
- The following substances and their releasing factors are prohibited:
and other substances with similar chemical structure or similar biological effect(s).
- Erythropoiesis-Stimulating Agents [e.g. erythropoietin (EPO), darbepoetin (dEPO), hypoxia-inducible factor (HIF) stabilizers, methoxy polyethylene glycol-epoetin beta (CERA), peginesatide (Hematide)]
- Chorionic Gonadotrophin (CG) and Luteinizing Hormone (LH) in males
- Corticotrophins
- Growth Hormone (GH), Insulin-like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1), Fibroblast Growth Factors (FGFs), Hepatocyte Growth Factor (HGF), Mechano Growth Factors (MGFs), Platelet-Derived Growth Factor (PDGF), Vascular-Endothelial Growth Factor (VEGF) as well as any other growth factor affecting muscle, tendon or ligament protein synthesis/degradation, vascularisation, energy utilization, regenerative capacity or fibre type switching
In this case addressed would mean "to deal with"...
Article 24 - Interpretation of the codeYes - and S2 deals with peptides.
AOD is a peptide.
S2 has a catch-all provision.
Both WADA and ASADA referred to S2 in the first instance and concluded AOD was NOT banned under S2.
Therefore, AOD has been "addressed".
Yes - and S2 deals with peptides.
AOD is a peptide.
S2 has a catch-all provision.
Both WADA and ASADA referred to S2 in the first instance and concluded AOD was NOT banned under S2.
Therefore, AOD has been "addressed".
Because if the substance would have been specifically listed in the code, then that's the section it would have been.