All GWS Rumour And Speculation Thread - Vol 1

[Ed D]

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Going back to the topic of this thread, I know it's only rumour, but it's sounding like GWS have Andrew Swollow wrapped up, which means it's less likely they'll offer a massive contract to another player.

 

[morax]

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Where Mike Shehan rates him means squat. He is a twit anyone willing to argue otherwise on that one?

Mike Shehan top 50 is an opinion based on his own observations. Just like post #135 is.

If you disagree, fair enough, but Mike is no twit

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

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what else do we have to go on bar right now? and sorry i'd take top 3 b&f in the premiership side over b&f in the 15th side. thomas slaps rischitelli.
Betts, and simpson? troll.

Everyone is rubber stamping Thomas as a certain Top 3 in the B&F. I doubt it.

Swan, Didak and Pendlebury all had clearly better years. O'Brien had an arguably better year. Jolly will be up there also.

Paully Moss is entitled to his opinion and to be fair he is working off a different criteria than everyone else seems to.

That said I don't think basing your criteria off the last 3 years is the best way to go about it. Current form is much more relevant. I'm interested Paully Moss if you were going off this season only who would you rank ahead of Thomas?

I know the question wasn't directed at me but I'd have him at about 30 for this season which seems pretty right as he wasn't far off All Australian.

Mike Shehan top 50 is an opinion based on his own observations. Just like post #135 is.

If you disagree, fair enough, but Mike is no twit

Mick is a twit.

Thomas at 9 is proof enough. I love Thomas as a player but he wasn't near top 10 in the comp this year. He was 4th or 5th at Collingwood and we didn't have 4 or 5 of the 10 best players in the comp for 2010. He had him ahead of the Coleman Medallist playing in a dud side, Pendlebury, Sandilands, Lake, Didak, Franklin, Green, etc who all had clearly better years. There were others who probably did as well but these guys were EASILY better.

Mike is a twit, I say it again. He thought Buckley was shit and Craig Bolton was better than Clement. He hates Collingwood as well and although he rates Thomas, he only put him that high to generate controversy. "Thomas is all hype. Good season but not Top 10. Rubbish, blah blah blah."

Thomas was consistently very good and had a few brilliant games. He wasn't dominant. You need to be dominant to be Top 10. Mike is a twit, there it is I said it again.

 

[pauly_moss]

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Rusler thankfully someone agrees with me I was starting to wonder am I the twit? But at least I'm not on my own

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

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Rusler thankfully someone agrees with me I was starting to wonder am I the twit? But at least I'm not on my own

He's a gun but I agree he's being massively overrated around these parts.

I agree with others that you've also overrated a lot of players in your list and he's easily better than Ball (and a few others) but I agree, 1 blow doesn't make a bad summer a good one. He's had an excellent season, but not an elite one. He isn't close to Top 15 in the league and he's not on the same planet as Top 5. He isn't even in the best 5 at Collingwood. Swan, Pendles, Didak, Jolly and Shaw are all better players than him and probably O'Brien as well. For him to be top 15 then we'd need to have one third of the best 15. No chance

 

[Pie eyed]

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Going back to the topic of this thread, I know it's only rumour, but it's sounding like GWS have Andrew Swollow wrapped up, which means it's less likely they'll offer a massive contract to another player.

Gone the way of most rumour...straight to North for another few years.

 

[Ed D]

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Yeah it's great news for North, also goes to show money isn't everything.

 

[DaisysHair]

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Swanny will apparently be talking about GWS in the Sun tomorrow.

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

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First 3 on your list I'd agree with no problem, and Franklin too - but Green and Didak are very questionable. Particularly as I'd happily wager on Thomas outpolling Didak in the Copeland.

Didak played a very similar role to Thomas (positionally) except he averaged more possessions, used the ball MUCH better, is MUCH more creative with the pill and was our top goalkicker to boot. Didak also got tagged a hell of a lot more often. Didak is clearly better than Thomas and had a much better season. Didak is probably better than Pendlebury who is much better than Thomas. The fact that you feel that Thomas's season was in the same ballpark as Didak's is a perfect example of how overrated Thomas is becoming in here. Thomas is not yet A Grade, Didak is elite.

Green kicked 55 goals at around 20 possessions a game and as Melbourne's number 1 forward, got a lot more attention than Thomas. Green was one of the better goal assisters in the comp this year as well. He should have been AA as he had a better year than Le Cras and Steve Johnson. I think Thomas will surpass Green but he hasn't yet and Green had a better year, comfortably.

These two guys absolutely dominated the season and although Thomas was excellent, I wouldn't say he was "dominant." Green and Didak (particularly Didak) ripped teams to shreds at times. Go back and watch the Round 19 game versus Geelong. Didak's performance that day would have been in the best 5 individual performances by any player in any game this season. I still giggle that he didn't poll a vote.

 

[soreplums]

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Swanny will apparently be talking about GWS in the Sun tomorrow.

Says that he will listen to what they have to say but is very happy at Collingwood. Could go either way. If it is a significant offer from GWS, I think that he will go.

Are they still thinking about cutting the Vet list to 8 years?

 

[Ed D]

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Are they still thinking about cutting the Vet list to 8 years?

I don't think they're lowering the veterans status, they are bringing in the free trade rule for players who've played 8 years or more.

 

[Football God]

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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/dane-swan-ill-listen-to-gws/story-e6frf9jf-1225944419768

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

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Only in the loosest possible sense. Didak played as a high half-forward sometimes rotating through the centre, Thomas played as a traditional winger. Certainly, Didak spent a lot more time in the forward half than did Thomas.

Didak played more wing than forward this season, evidenced by the amount of time he spent on the half backline. They are both wingers, Didak's just better around goals.

Possessions were basically on par, but I'll grant you the rest. However, you've neatly omitted that Thomas was many leagues better as a defensive player (both in terms of watching his man and general harassment), would easily have Didak covered for metres gained, provided a much stronger marking target etc...

Agree entirely. It should be noted that Didak is more often "defended" by a purely negating player though so is spending more time trying to get rid of his direct opponent. I agree though, he is poor in that area.

Overly emphatic rhetoric doesn't really constitute a good argument.

Overly emphatic in your opinion, I think it's justified. I just think Didak had a MUCH better season than Thomas. I think he was our second best player behind Swan and ahead of Pendlebury, who started the season poorly.

Fwiw, you're the first person to ever accuse me of overrating Thomas. I readily acknowledge, for example, that Alan Didak is a far great talent. I would just as readily acknowledge that Didak's 06, and 2/3rds of his 09 season are clearly superior to what Thomas produced this year. However, on the year as a whole - this year, that is - Thomas was consistently good to very good whereas Didak was anywhere from mediocre to great, depending on the day. On the whole, they were very much in the same ballpark - and I believe the Copeland will bear that out, with Thomas finishing slightly ahead of Didak.

This is completely unfair to Didak, who was incredibly consistent this year. He learnt to beat a tag this year and that's where the consistency has come from. He only had his colours lowered about twice and it's not fair to judge him on his first Grand Final performance, he was very injured. With that said, he fronted up to the second GF and was a solid contributer, despite his injury.

Didak went below 20 disposals only twice this season (Round 2 and The GF Draw) and is far more likely to have a meaningful impact from less touches than Thomas. Thomas fell beneath 20 touches 3 times. In fact, Dids only cracked the 30 disposal barrier twice this season so he must have been incredibly consistent to still average mid twenties for disposals. He only went goalless 3 times and as a mid who pushes forward, that is remarkable. He kicked multiple goals 14 times. Mediocre to great is a very poor judgement of his season. Thomas had below par games as well, so did Ablett.

Equally, the final coaches votes tally should tell you they're in the same ballpark as well - and those don't account for Thomas' excellent finals series.

True but you are conveniently omitting some other big awards in your argument. Didak was in the top few in the AFLPA MVP and won nearly 3 times more Brownlow votes. It's meaningless to judge a player's season by how well they go in awards. Didak was nominated by his peers to be in the MVP award, Thomas was not which indicates that Collingwood's players considered Didak's season as superior. I agree that Thomas had a better finals series, but that is a small percentage of the season and he had the luxury of playing without his tit ripped off his shoulder.

I may be wrong, but weren't you the poster annoyed by others' inability to judge a player on the merits of his entire season, rather than a game or two?

It was me but you've missed my point. I was pointing out that the players have different abilities to "destroy" teams. They both had some top notch performances because they are both excellent footballers but I was arguing that when Didak is "on" he absolute mauls teams. He is devastating and he dominates. Dale's best games would have been the Hawthorn game in Round 4 and the Drawn GF. In the Hawthorn game he was our best but behind Hodge fairly comfortably and in the Draw he was our best but a fair way behind Goddard and possibly behind Hayes (not far ahead of Shaw). He contributed every week and was in the best few a lot of the time but he doesn't blow teams away which is what he needs to do to get to the elite level. Didak does that now and he did that this season. They are both good, they are both consistent but there is a fair gap in terms of impact, especially when you consider that Didak was our most tagged player throughout the season.

I don't deny for a minute that Didak's best is significantly better than Thomas'...but that doesn't mean Thomas couldn't have had the better season.

No it does't but in my opinion he didn't. I think the gap was significant, hence the rhetoric.

 

[morax]

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Mick is a twit.

Mike is a twit, I say it again

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Mike is a twit, there it is I said it again.

Why do you think the Herald Sun has a Top 50

Why do think its Mike Sheehan who writes it

Its all about creating interest and discussion and they do it very well.

Thomas is high i agree but it certainly doesn't mean Mike is a twit.

Now say it slowly, 'Mike is not a twit.....just a journo i strongly disagree with'

Take a deep breath and repeat two more times

 

[pauly_moss]

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Didak far supurier to Thomas, but last year Pendlebury was number 2 I would rate Dids as our 3rd best last season.

I do wonder who we do lose to GWS because I know it will be someone I so do hope it will be a feel good story like Josh Fraser was, maybe Jack Anthony if he cant crack the side, I sure everyone would be happy with that if he is not a best 22 player or Cam Wood someone of that like would be nice, but I suspect we will not be so lucky this time.

I just hope to god its not Pendles. It was heart breaking when Tarrant left but Pendles going would tear at the very fabric of my being.

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

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Why do you think the Herald Sun has a Top 50

Why do think its Mike Sheehan who writes it

Its all about creating interest and discussion and they do it very well.

Thomas is high i agree but it certainly doesn't mean Mike is a twit.

Now say it slowly, 'Mike is not a twit.....just a journo i strongly disagree with'

Take a deep breath and repeat two more times

I do understand that Mike deliberately picks certain players in certain spots to spark the most controversy and argument, it sells papers. That makes him a marketer or at best possibly a magazine writer. He is neither as he is apparently a journalist. He is a very reputable journalist. As long as he wants to call himself a journalist he will remain a twit in my eyes.

"All opposition supporters hated Thomas with a passion and thought he was shit. Now noone argues that he's a good player but he is still high profile and generates more interest than nearly every other player in the league. How do we use this marketing guys? I've got it!! I'll put him Top 10, people will crack shits and buy our paper. If I put him at 25 which is closer to what he deserves noone would care because it would have been deserved. It worked in March when I put Dane Swan in the 30s and below Dale Morris. And they call Goldsack Money Bags? Fraud!!"

That is not journalism.

Didak far supurier to Thomas

This

 

[jonbe54]

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How can people argue about who is best when both bring different qualities to the team?
Didak is a sensational finisher and a reciever.
Thomas is now a hard nut and a reasonable finisher with a great leap for his size.
Didak has the runs on the board
Thomas is coming quickly but not there yet.
Different players in different stages of their careers.

 

[jerry springer]

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Slightly off topic.But any Collingwood player(s) signing with GWS have to ready themselves for the horrors of that area.

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[jerry springer]

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and part 2

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[coldpieswarmbeer]

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its all about the paper my ******

 

[Pies_10]

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Haha those Man Vs Wild videos are funny

 

[Ant85]

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Latest from Sheedy in today's HS:

He indicated Collingwood players were in the sights of football manager Graeme Allan.

"There's a big recruiting meeting up here today," Sheedy said.

GWS has reportedly considered a $1 million offer to Magies star Dane Swan.

"He's played well in Ireland so he's done very well ... and obviously he's one of the great players in the AFL," Sheedy said.

"He is (coming out of contract) and we've got an opportunity - we've got to get to Collingwood, don't we? I've had three years off and they've won a premiership, I'm shattered."

Sounds like he's on a special mission to tear our team apart.

 

[Quicky]

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Nah, just on a special mission to keep the spotlight on his irrelevant club. No better way than to drop Collingwood into the conversation.

 

[TradeDraft]

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Latest from Sheedy in today's HS:



Sounds like he's on a special mission to tear our team apart.

Would not Surprise me if that Old Fart tries to be Collingwood.

He will Screw up GWS anyway like he did with Essendon

 

[Pie eyed]

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Nah, just on a special mission to keep the spotlight on his irrelevant club. No better way than to drop Collingwood into the conversation.

Bingo!

Rumour:
Bomber to GWS as assistant to Sheed's and takes over as Senior Coach in 2013.