Analysis of our worst performance of the year

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Blasé

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Apr 27, 2007
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I may be wrong, but I've checked our boards since Saturday's loss, and have seen very little on the poor performance by the HFC on Saturday night. Obviously I could be incorrect, and it could be the fact that there's been tonnes of Judd threads, but I thought I'd begin this, because personally I thought our performance was digarceful, and didn't warrant any excuses.

Straight off the bat, we have better playing personnel than North, particularly since Jones was out. Next, I would say that in a finals performance, I'd expect a solid performance at the very least, which our game was nowhere near.

First off, I couldn't believe how often the forward 50 entries were kicked to Buddy. I'm sure Clarkson wouldn't have wanted that, because he played down Buddy's performance against Adelaide, so I honestly believe many hawks players had stars in their eyes and thought that Buddy was the only person who could win the game. But the fact is that we have Roughead and Boyle, who both are good footballers. Kicking to Buddy so often made it so predictable to their defence, and lost the opportnity for others kicking goals. As a consequence Buddy was double teamed, and they got a lot of rebound out of defence.

Second. Why were they targeting Harvey with physicality, when all you had to do is what Geelong did and put a solid tag on him. Against Adelaide, we identified who we needed to stop, McLeod, and put a tagger on him. We didn't rough him up at all. Doing what we did to Harvey, just took our eyes off the ball, and setup a mentality of playing reaction football.

As with my first point, I also thought our forward 50 entries were generally very sloppy, and that none, apart from Young, tried to run the ball to take a shot for goal. It was pretty clear that North were zoning, so why didn't they run the ball. Too often players went backwards by hand, to make an assesment, instead of taking thm on. Don't give me 'Shinboner spirit", "they put on great pressure' bs, Adelaide put more pressure on us than North, but in that game we played more attacking like we had nothing to lose.

Sure Hodge was debilitated, but Sewell played a great game on Harvey, and when he switch to Harris, he took him out of the game. Perhaps Hodge's was worse, and maybe Clarkson did fail in not putting him on hb, or more often as a forward.

We really ran out off puff in the end, and it could've been that we're a young group that's gone further, and consequently used up all our gas. But I really think that normally we outrun the opposition rather than outclass them, and on this occasion we couldn't do that, so lost by a larger margin than expected.

Enough, I could go on, but in summary I was very frustrated watching the game, and it reminded me much of the 2000 finals loss against them which we should've won. Hopefully we're not going down that path.

I hope that Clarkson did a thorough analysis of the game, and realises that the opposition weren't better than the one before; that we were very, very ordinary and some decisions and player development need to be addessed to certain individuals (namely Lewis).

Thoughts?
 
Dont feel badly Hawthorn has done a great job and they did win one final,
that is extremely important, the Harvey targeting misfired and was tactically unwise, it just gave North more motivation.



I may be wrong, but I've checked our boards since Saturday's loss, and have seen very little on the poor performance by the HFC on Saturday night. Obviously I could be incorrect, and it could be the fact that there's been tonnes of Judd threads, but I thought I'd begin this, because personally I thought our performance was digarceful, and didn't warrant any excuses.

Straight off the bat, we have better playing personnel than North, particularly since Jones was out. Next, I would say that in a finals performance, I'd expect a solid performance at the very least, which our game was nowhere near.

First off, I couldn't believe how often the forward 50 entries were kicked to Buddy. I'm sure Clarkson wouldn't have wanted that, because he played down Buddy's performance against Adelaide, so I honestly believe many hawks players had stars in their eyes and thought that Buddy was the only person who could win the game. But the fact is that we have Roughead and Boyle, who both are good footballers. Kicking to Buddy so often made it so predictable to their defence, and lost the opportnity for others kicking goals. As a consequence Buddy was double teamed, and they got a lot of rebound out of defence.

Second. Why were they targeting Harvey with physicality, when all you had to do is what Geelong did and put a solid tag on him. Against Adelaide, we identified who we needed to stop, McLeod, and put a tagger on him. We didn't rough him up at all. Doing what we did to Harvey, just took our eyes off the ball, and setup a mentality of playing reaction football.

As with my first point, I also thought our forward 50 entries were generally very sloppy, and that none, apart from Young, tried to run the ball to take a shot for goal. It was pretty clear that North were zoning, so why didn't they run the ball. Too often players went backwards by hand, to make an assesment, instead of taking thm on. Don't give me 'Shinboner spirit", "they put on great pressure' bs, Adelaide put more pressure on us than North, but in that game we played more attacking like we had nothing to lose.

Sure Hodge was debilitated, but Sewell played a great game on Harvey, and when he switch to Harris, he took him out of the game. Perhaps Hodge's was worse, and maybe Clarkson did fail in not putting him on hb, or more often as a forward.

We really ran out off puff in the end, and it could've been that we're a young group that's gone further, and consequently used up all our gas. But I really think that normally we outrun the opposition rather than outclass them, and on this occasion we couldn't do that, so lost by a larger margin than expected.

Enough, I could go on, but in summary I was very frustrated watching the game, and it reminded me much of the 2000 finals loss against them which we should've won. Hopefully we're not going down that path.

I hope that Clarkson did a thorough analysis of the game, and realises that the opposition weren't better than the one before; that we were very, very ordinary and some decisions and player development need to be addessed to certain individuals (namely Lewis).

Thoughts?
 
I thought even though we were playing bad, we were always in the game, the 33 point margin flattened the Roos as 2 or 3 last goals were after we put the pressure off.

I was surprised that we had more entries into the 50, they filled the gaps with players in our forward 50 and we looked confused as to how to bring the ball in. Some of our players were run off their feet early in the 4th quarter like Birchall, Mitch, Guerra and Lewis.

Our intentions to try and take out harvey were wrong, as stated a normal tag would have been better. I thought Hodge should have been moved into the forward 50 in the 2nd Quarter to try and shake Rawlings, he didn't have much help whereby you noticed the roos players blocking for harvey and harris.

They were buddy focused but that is understandable by the way the media talked him up all week. We haven't been Buddy focused all year except for that game. I thought Roughie and Boyle played alright for one quarter but needed more from them, they had the quality defenders.

We let the roos play too loose, every time they brought the ball out of our forward line they had loose men on the wing with no-body in sight. I thought our defence was good until the last ten minutes.

We had the opportunities and I think the boys thought they would be able to outrun the roos in the final quarter as they have done to so many teams this year. It just wasn't to be. If we had taken more marks in the 50 and converted those opportunities we could have won, but we didn't so another learning experience!
 

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I may be wrong, but I've checked our boards since Saturday's loss, and have seen very little on the poor performance by the HFC on Saturday night. Obviously I could be incorrect, and it could be the fact that there's been tonnes of Judd threads, but I thought I'd begin this, because personally I thought our performance was digarceful, and didn't warrant any excuses.

Straight off the bat, we have better playing personnel than North, particularly since Jones was out. Next, I would say that in a finals performance, I'd expect a solid performance at the very least, which our game was nowhere near.

First off, I couldn't believe how often the forward 50 entries were kicked to Buddy. I'm sure Clarkson wouldn't have wanted that, because he played down Buddy's performance against Adelaide, so I honestly believe many hawks players had stars in their eyes and thought that Buddy was the only person who could win the game. But the fact is that we have Roughead and Boyle, who both are good footballers. Kicking to Buddy so often made it so predictable to their defence, and lost the opportnity for others kicking goals. As a consequence Buddy was double teamed, and they got a lot of rebound out of defence.

Second. Why were they targeting Harvey with physicality, when all you had to do is what Geelong did and put a solid tag on him. Against Adelaide, we identified who we needed to stop, McLeod, and put a tagger on him. We didn't rough him up at all. Doing what we did to Harvey, just took our eyes off the ball, and setup a mentality of playing reaction football.

As with my first point, I also thought our forward 50 entries were generally very sloppy, and that none, apart from Young, tried to run the ball to take a shot for goal. It was pretty clear that North were zoning, so why didn't they run the ball. Too often players went backwards by hand, to make an assesment, instead of taking thm on. Don't give me 'Shinboner spirit", "they put on great pressure' bs, Adelaide put more pressure on us than North, but in that game we played more attacking like we had nothing to lose.

Sure Hodge was debilitated, but Sewell played a great game on Harvey, and when he switch to Harris, he took him out of the game. Perhaps Hodge's was worse, and maybe Clarkson did fail in not putting him on hb, or more often as a forward.

We really ran out off puff in the end, and it could've been that we're a young group that's gone further, and consequently used up all our gas. But I really think that normally we outrun the opposition rather than outclass them, and on this occasion we couldn't do that, so lost by a larger margin than expected.

Enough, I could go on, but in summary I was very frustrated watching the game, and it reminded me much of the 2000 finals loss against them which we should've won. Hopefully we're not going down that path.

I hope that Clarkson did a thorough analysis of the game, and realises that the opposition weren't better than the one before; that we were very, very ordinary and some decisions and player development need to be addessed to certain individuals (namely Lewis).

Thoughts?


There There feel better now do we? I feel so much better now, because I know next year we will be able to call on all your knowledge and experience to both Captain and Coach the team.

Why not build a bridge get over it, and celebrate what we acheived, safe in the knowledge for each of our defeats this year, we have come out and shown we have learned our mistakes.
5wins-9wins-14wins
 
Blase - Good thread mate, a shame it's been hijacked somewhat.

From my point of view I agree with what you've stated, and I also think that Laidley comfortably had the better of the coaches battle. For the large majority of the night the game was not played on our terms, and yet we still managed to stick with them until the last qtr.

I thought it was a mistake to let Archer roam free during the 2nd and 3rd quarters, clogging up the forward line and making it difficult for our leading forwards. I also thought it was silly to have Croady as our "loose man" at different stages. Trent is a fantastic one-on-one player but surely someone with better disposal should have been freed up to play that role.

I thought more could have been done to free up Hodgey. Luke should have gone and stood next to another North player (Harris for example) 2 free up one of his team-mates. Alternatively he could have been used back or forward much earlier than was tried.

FWIW the shinboner spirit stuff downsells North and the talent/ability that they have. The talent on their list is undersold.
 
...but harvs didnt complain...


What do you mean he didn't complain? Yes he did. And so did/is Laidley.

The Kangaroos really need to get over this inferiority complex they've got. You are not underrated. You are not victimised. You are not in possession of some special "spirit" that no one else has.

You beat Hawthorn because you're a good team and you played better. The team spirit the Roos showed was no different to the spirit showed by Hawthorn last week against Adelaide having come off a big loss the previous week.

Crawf, Hodge and Lewis were all stupid and we'll suffer in the first few rounds next season because of it. The way we treated Harvey is no different to the way Rawlings plays every week, but we didn't do it well.
 
I agree Stick.

Good thread by Blase and now back on track.


whats going on hawks mods fair bit of moderating going on
maybe u should be less concerned with important questions like how far can buddy kick and spend more time looking at what ppl are actually responding to with valid points....bit insecure hawks mods????we are not here to troll only to balance certain one sided conversation..after all self flattery is just masturbation while healthy debate is a good 2 way shag...i know which one i would choose
 
There There feel better now do we? I feel so much better now, because I know next year we will be able to call on all your knowledge and experience to both Captain and Coach the team.

Why not build a bridge get over it, and celebrate what we acheived, safe in the knowledge for each of our defeats this year, we have come out and shown we have learned our mistakes.
5wins-9wins-14wins

Mate, I don't feel better, because we should be playing Port this week.

Sure I was satisfied with getting 13 wins, and I wasn't wetting my pants and stomping my feet like many after losing our top 4 spot against Port. Those fluctuations happen in the home and away season. But the fact is, is that we played very poorly in a finals match, and that is a different kettle of fish.

The other reason is, is that I measure us as being equal to Port, North and Collingwood, despite some finishing higher (only due to playing bottom 4 teams twice), in being young good teams, while WC, Sydney and Geelong as being experienced very good teams (the first 2 loss of injuries being the only reason they exited early); which is why we should've beaten North, or at least gotten close.

IMO, the way we played last week we wouldn't have beaten very few teams in the whole competition, let alone those who made the finals.

We cannot gloss over this match and treat it as though they had the mystic "shinboner spirit", because we won't even make the finals next year with that attitude.
 

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