I may get shot down for this, but what is his contractual situation like?
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Andrew Mackie in firing line for semi-final against Fremantle
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Well its really a shot out to all of the senior guys that no one is untouchable.
I think Mackie has been somewhat of a sacrificial lamb, which is good - he hasnt been in form and none of the players positions should be safe if they arent in form.
PatrickBateman
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I don't agree, I think he's been dropped for under performing and it's not any more complicated than that. In my mind the guy has been carried for a long, long time and his inability to make any sought of physical contest hurts the team. I have honestly never seen anyone his size go to ground so easily in the 20+ years I've been watching the game. Can't take a key defensive role and hasn't been working hard enough to find space/use the ball well, which is his only real strength.
Isn't strong in a contest, isn't fast, isn't physical around the ball at ground level... if he's not hurting the opposition with his disposal, he's useless. Much like Harley in his latter years(admittedly). We may as well play Lonergan who gives us the extra key defensive option. Scarlett, Taylor and Hunt(especially) have had good solid seasons. I felt for them last week while our lazy players up the ground let StKlida have their way ... Never saw Mackie leave his man once to help make a contest and help these guys out.
I'm not a big wrap for one-dimensional defenders unless their one dimension is stopping a forward. Mackie is expendable and needs to either grow some muscle or some balls over the pre-season... his choice. As others have mentioned, there will be several young talents knocking on the door in 2011. I guess I won't see him parading his licorice physique around Geelong in his fitted 'Sml' Ts for a while now???
Joel Corey lucky not to be joining him... looks completely lost and out of sync with the team.
Of course they disagreed. He is a classy player, as stated, the two games prior to the finals showed that he can gather possessions off half back and play well when we are rolling, but, when the games get tough he seems to lose focus.
I watched the Pies round game again recently, Mack turned it over a bit there too, albeit not alone on that front. I guess this is a statement to him that he cannot just be a downhill skier, he must give his all everygame.
I still believe he is in the best 22, but form dictates the team at the business end. Now will he be a late call up?
PatrickBateman
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I want Taylor Hunt to get a call up. Quick and will be desperately needed against the likes of Hill and Morabito.
May have been made with Matchups in mind.
1. Wet weather game is not Mackie's fortee and Taylor, Scarlett, Lonergan, Mackie, Milburn is too much height for the wet.
2. Matchup for Sandilands who's likely to spend significant time forward. Lonergan is 197cm which is our tallest defender and he has the bulk to put up a contest against Sandilands.
There are some definate strategical reasons not to play Mackie for this specific game. I still have him in the best 22 just not against Freo in the wet when Sandilands is playing forward.
1. Wet weather game is not Mackie's fortee and Taylor, Scarlett, Lonergan, Mackie, Milburn is too much height for the wet.
2. Matchup for Sandilands who's likely to spend significant time forward. Lonergan is 197cm which is our tallest defender and he has the bulk to put up a contest against Sandilands.
There are some definate strategical reasons not to play Mackie for this specific game. I still have him in the best 22 just not against Freo in the wet when Sandilands is playing forward.
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I can't believe they've dumped Mackie. It's a bloody sudden death final for crying out loud! Mackie has clearly better skills than Lonergan especially with his kicking. Sure he had a bad one last week along with 10-15 other players! Our selectors really do baffle me sometimes! 
buzz123
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I can't believe they've dumped Mackie. It's a bloody sudden death final for crying out loud! Mackie has clearly better skills than Lonergan especially with his kicking. Sure he had a bad one last week along with 10-15 other players! Our selectors really do baffle me sometimes!
Who takes Sandi when he plays forward if Lonergan doesn't come in? Byrnes is needed for his pace against Freo, so other than him, I don't know who else the MC would drop...Mackie can count himself unlucky, but hopefully its a good firecracker up his backside for when he returns.
Hoffy95
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Lonergan has one of the best disposal efficiency ratings in the comp. and a clear leader at the Cats.
He's been hitting targets better than Mackie whether people want to accept it or not.
He's been hitting targets better than Mackie whether people want to accept it or not.
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He's had plenty of 'bad ones'..
PatrickBateman
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I can't believe they've dumped Mackie. It's a bloody sudden death final for crying out loud! Mackie has clearly better skills than Lonergan especially with his kicking. Sure he had a bad one last week along with 10-15 other players! Our selectors really do baffle me sometimes!
You're baffled because you don't understand the game... Like others have said, Lonergan can man a key post, Mackie can't. Lonergan has done a good job this year, it's not all about who runs off half back in space... defence is exactly that DEFENDING! and Mackie is terrible at it. This isn't about one bad game for Mackie. The guy is soft, never have I seen him gut running, tackling hard with 2nd, 3rd efforts... Passenger!
The coaches often give players explicit instructions/tasks before a game, obviously Mackie has not been doing what has been expected of him for some time. The average fan gives kudos to players like Mackie because they see him running with the ball, playing in space etc... open your eyes a little.. There is more to the game than who can run with the ball and hit forward targets(which he's struggled doing anyhow).
Why are people bringing Joel Corey into this? Rewatch the West Coast game, he was back to his best.
PatrickBateman
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One decent game against the wooden spooners at home makes a difference?
Again I am happy Mackie is out but I'm not sure Lonergan is our answer for Sandlidands up forward. Even at 197cm that is still 13cm less than Sandi and gives away about 20-25kg. I have seen Lonergan hopelessly out muscled by players around his size or smaller (Dale freakin Thomas not long ago) so I'm afraid I don't see him doing much against Sandi one on one. The way we stop Sandilands is by cutting supply and that's it. No one in the comp could compete against him one on one getting long kicks to his advantage.
PatrickBateman
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I don't think anyone assumes Lonergan can beat Sandilands one on one, that's not the point. It's about having an extra big bodied 'real' defender back there who will at the very least make a contest. Mackie won't.
Hoffy95
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And how many other players in the comp are much closer to being Sandi's weight and height and genuinely defend?
Realistically there's no perfect match in the comp for Sandi. Would you prefer Mackie on Sandi?
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Lonergan/Sandilands
Taylor/Pavlich
Scarlett drifting across and reading the play as a sweeper.
Reckon it will work ok...especially if our midfield is on top and they're not getting silver service inside their 50.
This.
For me, the biggest advantage of having Lonergan in the side is the potential to free up Scarlett to provide run out of the backline.
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The only thing thats got me beat, if they intend on playing Sandilands Forward the whole game - whats the point?!
That would mean they are playing the other bloke(forget his name) as a first ruck against Ottens who will have the wood over him.
Surely that plays into our hands, you wouldnt want a second ruck going up against our first ruck - especially with our midfield clout!!
That would mean they are playing the other bloke(forget his name) as a first ruck against Ottens who will have the wood over him.
Surely that plays into our hands, you wouldnt want a second ruck going up against our first ruck - especially with our midfield clout!!
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I'd expect to see Sandilands in the ruck at some stage, but probably not more than 50%. Michael Johnson will see as much, if not more time in the ruck than Sandilands and Silvagni had a crack in there last week. Johnson is very mobile and would be an interesting matchup for both Ottens and Hawkins.
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