Recommitted Angus Brayshaw [contracted and staying at Melbourne]

[Snuffaluphagus]

Seems worth discussing given Melbourne are interested in Cerra and he’d be a piece they are probably willing to trade.

He’s also a very hard one to value so what’s he worth. Has been relegated to role playing wing due to Melbourne’s on ball brigade so hasn’t exactly set the world on fire the last few years but his best couple of years when playing onball we’re elite.

Freo got a future 2nd and small 2nd round pick upgrade for Langdon (I was displeased with the deal then and it seems I was correct in thinking we got unders) and he was better and younger then Brayshaw is now.

What would you give in a straight swap for Brayshaw?

 

[mezaire]

Seems worth discussing given Melbourne are interested in Cerra and he’d be a piece they are probably willing to trade.

He’s also a very hard one to value so what’s he worth. Has been relegated to role playing wing due to Melbourne’s on ball brigade so hasn’t exactly set the world on fire the last few years but his best couple of years when playing onball we’re elite.

Freo got a future 2nd and small 2nd round pick upgrade (I was displeased with the deal then and it seems I was correct in thinking we got unders) and he was better and younger then Brayshaw is now.

What would you give in a straight swap for Brayshaw?

He is probably one of the hardest players in the league to price....

Has showed at times that he could actually be in the starting midfield of a good team, but then at other times seems to struggle.

Shaun Higgins went for pick 30 last year, he's younger but not as proven? Maybe a pick between 30 and 40?

He's actually one I'd like WC to ask about in a deal for Brander maybe?

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

He is probably one of the hardest players in the league to price....

Has showed at times that he could actually be in the starting midfield of a good team, but then at other times seems to struggle.

Shaun Higgins went for pick 30 last year, he's younger but not as proven? Maybe a pick between 30 and 40?

He's actually one I'd like WC to ask about in a deal for Brander maybe?

Yeah, what would he be worth in his current output / role? Seems like a pick in the 30s at best but how much value do you place on being able to put him back in the middle?

 

[mezaire]

Yeah, what would he be worth in his current output / role? Seems like a pick in the 30s at best but how much value do you place on being able to put him back in the middle?

It depends on the team he is going to and their needs.

Problem is, mids like him grow on trees!!
Look at our two teams......is he displacing Andy Brayshaw, Fyfe, Serong, Mundy, Shuey, Gaff, Sheed, Redden or Yeo from their best 22 spots?
Then there is the young guys that you want to get games into that he would need to displace!!

Also, tried on the HFF and was never that good.

As I said, i rate him, probably higher than many others, but he's going to struggle to be best 22 in most teams!

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

It depends on the team he is going to and their needs.

Problem is, mids like him grow on trees!!
Look at our two teams......is he displacing Andy Brayshaw, Fyfe, Serong, Mundy, Shuey, Gaff, Sheed, Redden or Yeo from their best 22 spots?
Then there is the young guys that you want to get games into that he would need to displace!!

Also, tried on the HFF and was never that good.

As I said, i rate him, probably higher than many others, but he's going to struggle to be best 22 in most teams!

I dont think he'd struggle to be best 22 in most teams, he's best 22 in the arguably the best team in the comp. Is he a role-player or a b+ grade mid though. That's a bit harder to tell

 

[jakefooty23]

He is an absolute gun that hasn't been playing in his best position. Would happily take him at Fremantle

 

[whatwhatsaywhat]

he's playing the defensive wing role to perfection in 2021

i am one of his biggest critics - his disposal leaves a lot to be desired - but his workrate and his accountability is first rate

to say he'd struggle to be best 22 in most sides is laughable; he'd be best 22 in every team in the league

 

[gawndog37]

Why is this a thread? Even if Cerra does nominate Melbourne we won't be giving up Brayshaw in any deal.

Gus is now a leader of the club who epitomises what the club has done this year, fully buying into the defensive and team side of the game. He's developed into what I consider an elite role player who is vital for our structure and the club knows that, they won't be moving him.

 

[Mich0]

Pick in 15-20 is about fair I think. Bloke sacrifices his individual game for the team, won’t find many players who do that.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Why is this a thread? Even if Cerra does nominate Melbourne we won't be giving up Brayshaw in any deal.

Gus is now a leader of the club who epitomises what the club has done this year, fully buying into the defensive and team side of the game. He's developed into what I consider an elite role player who is vital for our structure and the club knows that, they won't be moving him.

Do you know whats better than an elite role player, an elite player full stop?

Sometimes you have to give to get and we were into Gus a few years ago but Melbourne said no deal

 

[Fitzey]

Probably not worth giving up unless it’s part of the potential Cerra deal. I can’t see him leaving though, he’s a lot better player than what he would be valued at.

 

[Beats]

Would probably be worth an early to mid second rounder, somewhere in the 25-30 range.

His off field contributions make him worth a lot more to Melbourne than what we’d get in a trade though - in the leadership group, his parents foster a large number of non-Melbourne draftees (Jackson, Pickett and turner currently live with his parents, rivers has just moved out to live with his gf + a bunch of others over the past few years), popular member of the playing group and runs a club sponsored podcast with max gawn

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Also fwiw freo supporters should watch the Gus and gawny episode from a few weeks back featuring Luke Jackson

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- stopped short of saying he’d be a Melbourne player for life, but was definitive in saying he doesn’t miss perth, isn’t homesick and loves living in Melbourne.

 

[Mofra]

he's playing the defensive wing role to perfection in 2021

i am one of his biggest critics - his disposal leaves a lot to be desired - but his workrate and his accountability is first rate

to say he'd struggle to be best 22 in most sides is laughable; he'd be best 22 in every team in the league

He was a big reason you killed us in the first game this year. Very disciplined in holding position and shutting off the switch.

 

[Fat Tony!]

Brayshaw would be one of the most underrated players in the competition and is a key reason for our rise this year. He stops the opposition switching and forces kicks to Gawn, Lever and May. Statistics aren’t everything in football.

 

[iameviljez]

I concur with the other posters who have suggested something in the 30s… but can’t see him legitimately holding weight in a Cerra trade. Cerra is worth exponentially more at the trade table, Brayshaw barely counts in comparison.

 

[Tulip]

Brayshaw is worth more to us playing a defensive role than he'd ever fetch in a trade, mostly because that role has killed his value. As a pure inside midfielder he's worth a lot, but there's no room for that in our team and thus teams wouldn't pay the price.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Brayshaw - Contracted player playing in a side that's in premiership contention (and could be in contention for the next 5 years), club has a stable coach well loved by the players, he loves his team-mates and looks and sounds very happy. Melbourne are financially stable and are building a very positive culture, where the players needs come 1st.

Why would he want to leave? Even if Melbourne wanted to trade him the player has to agree.

Cerra uncontracted wants to return to Victoria (smart move by management) and do the best thing for himself and his family.

You guys are going to have lose someone of some kind of value to get Cerra given your current draft pick situation and it was confirmed we asked Melbourne about Gus a few years ago.

If nothing else as a trade/draft nuffy I wanted to get other peoples opinions on one of the harder to value players in the league

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Brayshaw is worth more to us playing a defensive role than he'd ever fetch in a trade, mostly because that role has killed his value. As a pure inside midfielder he's worth a lot, but there's no room for that in our team and thus teams wouldn't pay the price.

Alternate train of thought, a defensive winger is not a hard role to fill and you puke quite easily replace him in that role I’d have thought

 

[Tulip]

Alternate train of thought, a defensive winger is not a hard role to fill and you puke quite easily replace him in that role I’d have thought

These two together are the first good pair of wingers I've seen since the Daniher days to be honest, and even then we were no great shakes.

 

[Prochard123]

Although a lot of delusional pies supporters don't seem to agree, we should honestly have a crack...

Brayshaw for Sidebottom is such a mutually beneficial deal, both around the late 1st round pick range for value. While Brayshaw is younger, Sidebottom has outperformed him every year including Brayshaw's best ever year - 3rd in brownlow (Sidebottom came 2nd)

If you're looking for a wingman you might as well bring in someone who has been playing that role for his entire career to a very very high standard. Sidebottom as an outside midfielder will only flourish with the likes of Oliver/Petracca/Viney feeding the ball to him rather than the Brown Brothers + Adams lol.

We have Josh Daicos

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, Caleb Poulter, Nick Daicos all with the preferred role being on the wing.

Sidebottom is underutilized as a half forward at Collingwood, where he should be playing wing.

Brayshaw is underutilized as a wing at Melbourne, where he should be playing Inside mid.

We need inside mids and Melbourne needs wingmen, perfect match.

 

[00Stinger]

Although a lot of delusional pies supporters don't seem to agree, we should honestly have a crack...

Brayshaw for Sidebottom is such a mutually beneficial deal, both around the late 1st round pick range for value. While Brayshaw is younger, Sidebottom has outperformed him every year including Brayshaw's best ever year - 3rd in brownlow (Sidebottom came 2nd)

If you're looking for a wingman you might as well bring in someone who has been playing that role for his entire career to a very very high standard. Sidebottom as an outside midfielder will only flourish with the likes of Oliver/Petracca/Viney feeding the ball to him rather than the Brown Brothers + Adams lol.

We have Josh Daicos, Caleb Poulter, Nick Daicos all with the preferred role being on the wing.

Sidebottom is underutilized as a half forward at Collingwood, where he should be playing wing.

Brayshaw is underutilized as a wing at Melbourne, where he should be playing Inside mid.

We need inside mids and Melbourne needs wingmen, perfect match.

wouldn't hate that deal tbh

The issue is Brayshaw seems like they type of player whose value to the club isn't just on field performance. Trading him out for Sidebottom undoubtable helps us with on field performance but could potentially break up the internal structure of the playing group if that makes sense

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Hes worth a pick in the early 20s to the right side..very hard working accountable role player..unlikely to ever be a star but a good B grader for a side that needs his player type.

 

[tiger_tough]

Pick in 15-20 is about fair I think. Bloke sacrifices his individual game for the team, won’t find many players who do that.

I think you'll find there's a bucketload of players that do that. But he's better than that. His best of a couple of years ago playing as inside mid was definitely worth somewhere around that range. As a winger his value is a lot less.