Another indication Bowden and Pettifer still on outer

[HobarTiger]

Wallace moves on from draw
Luke Holmesby
3:37 PM Tue 22 April, 2008

RICHMOND coach Terry Wallace has defended his rotational policy after the draw with the Western Bulldogs.

Key players Brett Deledio and Nathan Foley spent time on the bench towards the end of the tight game but Wallace said it was just part of the game.

“The theory behind it is you rotate your players to try and keep freshness into the game for the entire match,” Wallace said.

“If they are on the bench that means they’ve done seven or eight minutes in the midfield. You’ve got to give them a rest, that is the nature of the competition at the moment.”

Wallace said he would spend some time working out what went wrong but would quickly move to planning for this week’s match against Hawthorn.

“We were 19 points in front with three and a half minutes to play - you should be able to hold on from there, we just made some fundamental errors, got the ball in the wrong areas of the ground and made mistakes,” he said.

“We’ll go through those mistakes, the upside for us is we played good footy, the downside is we cost ourselves two points.”

Wallace also said the Tigers were happy with the draw, despite several close calls that could have changed the result.

“I heard somewhere we were seething about the situation. That couldn’t be further from the truth, it’s all part and parcel of the game,” he said.

“We had Richo with his mark, was it behind or in front of the post? They all make for a bit of good banter and what people love about the game.”

Wallace said Joel Bowden would be unlikely to return this week after performing well in Coburg’s loss to Port Melbourne in the VFL, while Trent Cotchin and Mark Coughlan would not be considered for the time being.

“The VFL side lost badly in a game they were expected to win and the AFL side performed very well. I don’t think we’ll be making a lot of changes to the structure of the side,” he said.

Source: for richmondfc.com.au

Wallace sending out the signals that he will stick by the starting 22 while they keep performing. Seems Terry not pleased with the Coburg result with the number of senior guys now trotting around in the magoos.

 

[RichosGuns]

I understand what he's trying to do, but I would prefer him to say something like "Joel Bowden isn't far away and might be selected this week, we just need to look at match-ups. He really needs to continue playing well for Coburg."

By stating that we won't even be looked at, wouldn't exactly give Bowden any confidence

 

[Bojangles17]

I fully expect this would be the case...as he said..Ressies should have won that game, FFS Tivers, Bowden, polo, pettifer were playing ..cant fault output of senior group they should continue to be rewarded

 

[_RT_]

I understand what he's trying to do, but I would prefer him to say something like "Joel Bowden isn't far away and might be selected this week, we just need to look at match-ups. He really needs to continue playing well for Coburg."

By stating that we won't even be looked at, wouldn't exactly give Bowden any confidence

Bowden is a 200 game player at AFL level IIRC, hardly the type of player who should be needing the coach to pump up his confidence. If Bowden can't pick himself up after so long in the game then too bad. Bowden simply isn't doing the things that Wallace and the coaching staff want him to do, if Wallace was to come out and say that he isn't too far away when he is not performing up to expectations then it sends the wrong message. This is a clear statement that says you want to play AFL at this club then you need to abide by the team rules, no exceptions.

 

[krustyman]

the backline did not look good against the bulldogs. none of them could get front position, moore and mcguane seem to lag behind their opponents a bit too much and thurstfield had a rather poor game. schultz was the pick of the bunch of the bigger backs, and they still lack a bit of body strength. minson didnt do much but was too big for them kicking those vital goals.

 

[oxx]

water.
Level.

 

[Bojangles17]

the backline did not look good against the bulldogs. none of them could get front position, moore and mcguane seem to lag behind their opponents a bit too much and thurstfield had a rather poor game. schultz was the pick of the bunch of the bigger backs, and they still lack a bit of body strength. minson didnt do much but was too big for them kicking those vital goals.

who was thursty and moore on...they seemed to have a bit of the pill bw them

 

[PHX]

I fully expect this would be the case...as he said..Ressies should have won that game, FFS Tivers, Bowden, polo, pettifer were playing ..cant fault output of senior group they should continue to be rewarded

Tivs didnt play on the weekend.

 

[Truetiger]

As i have said before why change our side around if we have been getting results over the past 2 weeks. As Coburg play on the friday we should have a good idea then whos in and out come sunday.

 

[tigertiger]

It is incredible to think that we can leave Bowden, Tivendale, Polo and Petifer out of the side says a lot about the group that are playing. Anyone of this group could be brought in and we wouldnt loose anything from the team.

The longer this season goes on the more i am loving what I see. I watched a replay of the game against the dogs just incase i missed anything at the game on Sunday.

We had so many contributers

White is fast becoming my favourite player how quick is he?
Moore was one of our best
Foleys run was judd like
Jake King was inspirational that run and carry even though he messed up a couple of times the amount of good work far outweighed his errors
Simmonds bouncing it down the wing
Patto even though fairly quiet did some nice stuff
Edwards will be a star of the game he is all class his disposal is first rate
Thursfield was outstanding
Morton and Jack are going to give us a lot of joy for a long time
Tambling gets better and better every game by the end of the season he will be more important then foley in the midfield
Deledio had a lazy 20 possesions and kicked 2 goals even his quiet days are looking good
Richo is the king you can get 301 on him for the brownlow, get on it
Suga worked tirelessly and drilled some brilliant passes
Mc Mahons best game for us so far
Brownie is all class

I was so happy watching the replay of the game you could just see all the pain we have been through over the past three years paying dividends. I cant wait for sundays game

 

[Bojangles17]

It is incredible to think that we can leave Bowden, Tivendale, Polo and Petifer out of the side says a lot about the group that are playing. Anyone of this group could be brought in and we wouldnt loose anything from the team.

The longer this season goes on the more i am loving what I see. I watched a replay of the game against the dogs just incase i missed anything at the game on Sunday.

We had so many contributers

White is fast becoming my favourite player how quick is he?
Moore was one of our best
Foleys run was judd like
Jake King was inspirational that run and carry even though he messed up a couple of times the amount of good work far outweighed his errors
Simmonds bouncing it down the wing
Patto even though fairly quiet did some nice stuff
Edwards will be a star of the game he is all class his disposal is first rate
Thursfield was outstanding
Morton and Jack are going to give us a lot of joy for a long time
Tambling gets better and better every game by the end of the season he will be more important then foley in the midfield
Deledio had a lazy 20 possesions and kicked 2 goals even his quiet days are looking good
Richo is the king you can get 301 on him for the brownlow, get on it
Suga worked tirelessly and drilled some brilliant passes
Mc Mahons best game for us so far
Brownie is all class

I was so happy watching the replay of the game you could just see all the pain we have been through over the past three years paying dividends. I cant wait for sundays game

good summary, who was the knob that reckon Moore and thursty struggled I thought they were ok

 

[tigerpete]

Thought Thursty struggled for him but he's had a great year. In regards to Bowden I thought they actually missed him in those last five minutes on Saturday. They lacked someone with experience in the backline to take control. Watching it live I could see they were going to find a way to let the doggies back in. Pettifer can stay at Coburg, simply not hard enough and thats what been good about them last few weeks.

 

[Spagman]

whats the deal with Bowden and Pettifer? how come they're on 'the outer' like this now?

they both got plenty of games last year and while Pettifer simply doesn't go in hard enough it's hard to believe that there isn't room in the team for him and Bowden.

i think it's generally agreed on that Bowden in the backline last week 'may' have made a difference.. being a 200 game player one would think his experience could come in handy for the younger players.

anyone would think bowden ran over TW's cat and then Pettifer dug the thing up and ran over it again or something..

 

[Mr Anderson]

It is incredible to think that we can leave Bowden, Tivendale, Polo and Petifer out of the side says a lot about the group that are playing. Anyone of this group could be brought in and we wouldnt loose anything from the team.

The longer this season goes on the more i am loving what I see. I watched a replay of the game against the dogs just incase i missed anything at the game on Sunday.

We had so many contributers

White is fast becoming my favourite player how quick is he?
Moore was one of our best
Foleys run was judd like
Jake King was inspirational that run and carry even though he messed up a couple of times the amount of good work far outweighed his errors
Simmonds bouncing it down the wing
Patto even though fairly quiet did some nice stuff
Edwards will be a star of the game he is all class his disposal is first rate
Thursfield was outstanding
Morton and Jack are going to give us a lot of joy for a long time
Tambling gets better and better every game by the end of the season he will be more important then foley in the midfield
Deledio had a lazy 20 possesions and kicked 2 goals even his quiet days are looking good
Richo is the king you can get 301 on him for the brownlow, get on it
Suga worked tirelessly and drilled some brilliant passes
Mc Mahons best game for us so far
Brownie is all class

I was so happy watching the replay of the game you could just see all the pain we have been through over the past three years paying dividends. I cant wait for sundays game

Make sure you watch carefully. It was very clear at the game how much we struggled in the middle when Simmonds went off and Patto contested the center bounce - we were killed at those times because he is simply not big enough and doesn't have any leap to compete with 2 agile gorillas like Hudson and Minson. I really like his efforts and he gives what he has, but to climb the next rung he will have to find a position where he can contribute other than ruck . If we rely on him in that role the Tigers are never going to scale the peak. Harsh, given his dedication and efforts, but unless he can grow another 5cms or learn to jump 10cm higher, then the Tigers will be at their best when he, like Bowden, Pettifer, Tivendale, Polo etc are in the 2s because someone is playing better in the spot they would have in the 1s.

 

[Bojangles17]

whats the deal with Bowden and Pettifer? how come they're on 'the outer' like this now?

they both got plenty of games last year .

stop right there partner, remind us all how we went...I got nothing against either and Im certain that at the right moment they will get their chance to redeem...that chance is not now ..

 

[Bojangles17]

Make sure you watch carefully. It was very clear at the game how much we struggled in the middle when Simmonds went off and Patto contested the center bounce - we were killed at those times because he is simply not big enough and doesn't have any leap to compete with 2 agile gorillas like Hudson and Minson. I really like his efforts and he gives what he has, but to climb the next rung he will have to find a position where he can contribute other than ruck . If we rely on him in that role the Tigers are never going to scale the peak. Harsh, given his dedication and efforts, but unless he can grow another 5cms or learn to jump 10cm higher, then the Tigers will be at their best when he, like Bowden, Pettifer, Tivendale, Polo etc are in the 2s because someone is playing better in the spot they would have in the 1s.

not sure I agree with that, I would have said that simmo's work in the middle is a little overrated, breaks even at best, often jumps a qtr too early...Note that Patto won the last clearance of the game. Patto will improve as he adds a little more bulk to upper body, already not a bad mark this will assist in one on one

 

[Spagman]

hey i was just asking! just wondering what the 'official' line was.. did Pettifer hit a massive form slump or something or was he just not putting in.

it may be obvious, but i don't see the games every week so aren't as clued in to the subtle nuances

 

[PHX]

Make sure you watch carefully. It was very clear at the game how much we struggled in the middle when Simmonds went off and Patto contested the center bounce - we were killed at those times because he is simply not big enough and doesn't have any leap to compete with 2 agile gorillas like Hudson and Minson. I really like his efforts and he gives what he has, but to climb the next rung he will have to find a position where he can contribute other than ruck . If we rely on him in that role the Tigers are never going to scale the peak. Harsh, given his dedication and efforts, but unless he can grow another 5cms or learn to jump 10cm higher, then the Tigers will be at their best when he, like Bowden, Pettifer, Tivendale, Polo etc are in the 2s because someone is playing better in the spot they would have in the 1s.

Yeah but just once we played a team with two ruck gorillas.

Previous to that Patto has been more than servicable against secondary ruckman like himself and much better around the ground.

This week it's Campbell and Taylor, much better for him.

 

[PHX]

hey i was just asking! just wondering what the 'official' line was.. did Pettifer hit a massive form slump or something or was he just not putting in.

it may be obvious, but i don't see the games every week so aren't as clued in to the subtle nuances

Got suspended and never got a recall after an undisciplined and clanger filled game.

 

[Rookie]

“The VFL side lost badly in a game they were expected to win and the AFL side performed very well. I don’t think we’ll be making a lot of changes to the structure of the side,” he said.

Excellent message that. You don't perform, you don't play.

 

[Mr Anderson]

Yeah but just once we played a team with two ruck gorillas.

Previous to that Patto has been more than servicable against secondary ruckman like himself and much better around the ground.

This week it's Campbell and Taylor, much better for him.

I totally agree, but many times the best clubs have 2 top level ruckmen - Brisbane had Keating and Charman, Port Adelaide had Lade and Brogan, Sydney had Ball and Jolly, West Coast had Cox and Seaby, Geelong had King and Ottens... My point is not to denigrate Patto - as I said I love his effort, but he is limited in the ruck despite what he brings around the ground, and I would not rate him in the class of any of the rucks mentioned above. Now maybe as he plays more he will develop subtleties of ruck skill which will allow him to compete but I doubt he will ever dominate - break even at best.

 

[trouser snake]

whats the deal with Bowden and Pettifer? how come they're on 'the outer' like this now?

they both got plenty of games last year and while Pettifer simply doesn't go in hard enough it's hard to believe that there isn't room in the team for him and Bowden.

i think it's generally agreed on that Bowden in the backline last week 'may' have made a difference.. being a 200 game player one would think his experience could come in handy for the younger players.

anyone would think bowden ran over TW's cat and then Pettifer dug the thing up and ran over it again or something..

yeah good points. Bowden needs to come back into the in-experienced backline to help out. And lets not forget Pettifer kicked 40 goals last year and can have an impact. These two boys are the better performers for Richmond over the last 3-4 years, disapointing to see them on the outer.

 

[Truetiger]

Got suspended and never got a recall after an undisciplined and clanger filled game.

Thank goodness for that report i say. Now leave Pettifer there for a few more weeks to come

 

[PHX]

Well Bowden isnt coming back this weekend according to Brian Royal on SEN.

 

[87Hawk]

I think dropping Bowden and Pettifer is the best thing that Wallace has done this year for you guys it sends the right message to the rest of the playing group.

Seems like your young tallent is starting to take the next step bit like us a couple of years ago. May the best team win on the weekend.

By the way I think Jake King is a rippa of a player hope he and rioli match up and big Richo is a legend of the game don't care what anyone else says.