Mega Thread Anti doping Tribunal Hearings - Verdict to be delivered March 31st, 2pm, Docklands. Closed hearing

[Vindicater]

Interesting analogy... Both sides stand to loose a lot but as for really winning anything. I don't think so...

Reputation of both sides is in tatters regardless....

Substitute "take the pot" with "keep their clothes"

 

[DonsRule]

I thought I'd read when they announced the hearing would be private, that they'd give updates during the hearing.

End of teh day iirc. (or every few days. But not during the day.

 

[compact72]

Patrick Keane @AFL_PKeane · 3m3 minutes ago
AFL advises hearing of alleged breach of AFL Anti-Doping Code by 34 current/former players, 1 support person began today at Vic County Court

Patrick Keane @AFL_PKeane · 2m2 minutes ago
Following discussion on various procedural matters, Mr Holmes QC commenced his opening submissions on behalf of ASADA.

Patrick Keane @AFL_PKeane · 3m3 minutes ago
It is expected that the opening submissions of ASADA will continue on Thursday and Friday when the hearing resumes. end statement.

not much news

 

[imperial_oz]

Patrick Keane @AFL_PKeane · 3m3 minutes ago
AFL advises hearing of alleged breach of AFL Anti-Doping Code by 34 current/former players, 1 support person began today at Vic County Court

Patrick Keane @AFL_PKeane · 2m2 minutes ago
Following discussion on various procedural matters, Mr Holmes QC commenced his opening submissions on behalf of ASADA.

Patrick Keane @AFL_PKeane · 3m3 minutes ago
It is expected that the opening submissions of ASADA will continue on Thursday and Friday when the hearing resumes. end statement.

not much news

At least we know what stage the hearing has reached if nothing else. To take around 3 days on his opening submissions seems to indicate ASADA may be outlining a complicated case. Hard to conjecture if thats good or bad for the players.

 

[The_Wookie]

At least we know what stage the hearing has reached if nothing else. To take around 3 days on his opening submissions seems to indicate ASADA may be outlining a complicated case. Hard to conjecture if thats good or bad for the players.

I thought they were supposed to rock up and say we've got nothing, case dismissed?

 

[Argy]

I thought they were supposed to rock up and say we've got nothing, case dismissed?

I guess that could take three days???

 

[compact72]

What happened with the Essendon lawyers getting the case dismissed?

 

[ajb72]

I guess that could take three days???

Well The EFC silk spoke for most of the three days in the Federal court and said virtually nothing, so it is quite possible.

 

[imperial_oz]

I guess that could take three days???

You'd have to talk very slowly

 

[Ned_Flanders]

What happened with the Essendon lawyers getting the case dismissed?

Only one idiot out there was pushing that notion

 

[Gigantor]

22 months ago, this board was all gung ho about 2 year suspensions.

Today, the majority are celebrating the fact that ASADA will present its opening submissions over the course of the first three days of the hearing.

 

[Tiger Toffee]

Only one idiot out there was pushing that notion

That's a load of bullchip.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

That's a load of bullchip.

Other than Hardie, who has been saying this?

 

[compact72]

That's a load of bullchip.

Chip had an article today, but it has since been modified and the title has changed

ASADA doctor opens up on dealings with Stephen Dank
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...ith-stephen-dank/story-fnca0u4y-1227155904687

What a tool

 

[Tiger Toffee]

Other than Hardie, who has been saying this?

Sorry, chips been running the ASADA have nothing angle, i'll see myself out, dinner to make.

 

[BlueWorld]

What happened with the Essendon lawyers getting the case dismissed?

As Chip claimed would happen as soon as the hearing began.

 

[Malifice]

I cant actually believe this shit is finally happening.

 

[compact72]

I cant actually believe this shit is finally happening.

Here here. It's happening, when we all thought it was going to end within 20mins due to ASADA not having sufficient evidence.

Amazing huh

 

[Jobe Watson]

So basically Essendon's reps don't get to speak until next year because ASADA will be hogging the room for the next 2 days?

More delays.

 

[compact72]

So basically Essendon's reps don't get to speak until next year because ASADA will be hogging the room for the next 2 days?

More delays.

Oh poor babys. So hard done by.

All they had to do was tell the judge to drop the case, and it would of all been sorted by now

 

[Argy]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...main-game-about-to-begin-20141214-126xwb.html

Players' response

The players have remained steadfast in their belief that the injecting program used no illegal substances. Should the tribunal find otherwise, the players would argue that any illegal administering by Dank was done without their knowledge and consent – and despite several attempts on the players' behalf to ensure the program complied with all relevant drug codes.

In the event the tribunal finds against them their fallback position seems a bit precarious for a couple of reasons. (1) Many athletes have tried to play this angle, only to be thwarted by the strict liability provisions. (2) Given that none of the players thought to contact ASADA regarding the status of the drugs they were given ASADA could argue pretty strenuously that the players did not exercise reasonable care.

The term "illegal administering" also raises my eyebrows. I suspect this term might have been invented by the reporter as it has all sorts of legal ramifications if that is really the tack the players are going to pursue.

 

[Malifice]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...main-game-about-to-begin-20141214-126xwb.html
In the event the tribunal finds against them their fallback position seems a bit precarious for a couple of reasons. (1) Many athletes have tried to play this angle, only to be thwarted by the strict liability provisions. (2) Given that none of the players thought to contact ASADA regarding the status of the drugs they were given ASADA could argue pretty strenuously that the players did not exercise reasonable care.

The term "illegal administering" also raises my eyebrows. I suspect this term might have been invented by the reporter as it has all sorts of legal ramifications if that is really the tack the players are going to pursue.

They'll only get off on ground 1.

Youre spot on with strict liability and the fallback. The argument posted above only leads to a 'reduced fault' reduction in sanction (maybe).

 

[Valleyboy9]

And so the circus continues. ASADA has not gathered any direct evidence that Ess players were injected with TB4. Its own investigators recommended the case be dropped.

Spare us the bile...Your bias is very evident. Let those in the court deal with it now.

 

[Valleyboy9]

So basically Essendon's reps don't get to speak until next year because ASADA will be hogging the room for the next 2 days?

More delays.

Mmmmmm Bloody ASADA Gee they have been a pain with their delays...This time they are going to take THREE days to layout exactly what took place with this 'program" at Essendon. Have they got no Christmas spirit for poor Essendon.

 

[Jimthegreat]

no, given its a private hearing...

Can anyone sneak in put a glass up against a wall?...lol