Anti-Franklin umpiring taken to a new level

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Franklin gets a lot of his marks/goals from taking the back spot in a contest and holding his opponent out then either marking or running on to the loose ball as it spills over the back. To be fair most of the time he does this with good body work but every now and then the hands go up. The umpires have woken up to this and he gets pinged for it. The two I saw on the weekend were clear cut.
 

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I actually think the umpiring is anti - Hawthorn on so many occasions on the Friday night game, holding the ball decisions were never given to the Hawks and Franklin seems to be umpired harshly. He hardly receives in frees!
 
WN123 said:
Franklin gets a lot of his marks/goals from taking the back spot in a contest and holding his opponent out then either marking or running on to the loose ball as it spills over the back.
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I was at the game on friday and noticed quite a bit of that, Glass was often in front and had his arms somewhat pinned by Franklin who would then either push Glass forward, although not in the back, or run onto the loose ball. Either way I think holding the defender like that isn't entirely legal. If Glass was doing the same thing I'm sure he would get pinged 80% of the time. On other parts of the game there were some poor holding the ball decisions either way, some that went on way too long and weren't given, and ones that just weren't there to begin with. A few soft ones in the goalsquares too
 
Mr Lizard said:
There are rules the have to enforce. One of those rules is don't get closer than 5 metres from the side of the mark. Every player knows the rules. Why does the umpire have to remind them? If they break the rules, then pay a free kick against them. It's pretty simple.

The same goes for every decision, all over the ground. Just shut up, and enforce the rules. Actions speak louder than words, as they say.

The way our game is umpired needs changing.
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so you'd prefer umpires to just not say anything and pay another 15-20 free kicks a game? think about it ... in that situation if it were a West Coast player kicking for goal from 55 ... would u prefer an umpire to tell one of your players to move back 2 metres to stay out of the protected area or would u just want him to pay 50m and put him in the goal square?
 
hack said:
so you'd prefer umpires to just not say anything and pay another 15-20 free kicks a game? think about it ... in that situation if it were a West Coast player kicking for goal from 55 ... would u prefer an umpire to tell one of your players to move back 2 metres to stay out of the protected area or would u just want him to pay 50m and put him in the goal square?
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the umpire would pay it, without warning, just ask Jordan Lewis:thumbsu:
 
There were a couple on the weekend that were not hands on the back . . . but there were others that were blatant.

Just needs to learn to his his forearm/elbow from now on, and no worries.
 
It's a jk.

Some of those frees were laughable.
Happens a fair bit though. He hardley gets frees even when he is being held right in front og the maggot!
 
Interesting article in the Herald-Scum today...

No love lost between umps and Hawks star Buddy Franklin
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23955423-19742,00.html
by Mark Stevens, July 02, 2008

LANCE Franklin's reputation as "Bad Boy Buddy" has hit new heights.

The Hawthorn star, already the most penalised AFL player in the past four
seasons, has endured a month from hell with the umpires.

Franklin has conceded 16 free kicks and been awarded just two in his past four games.

In Hawthorn's past two outings, against North Melbourne and West Coast, Franklin has a 0-7 record.

But the Hawks are standing by their man, questioning if Franklin was missing out on some deserved frees.

"He's been a bit unlucky on occasions," Hawthorn football manager Mark Evans said yesterday. "Buddy makes such good position, I'd be surprised if there wasn't a few there he could have got.

"Sometimes key forwards can have very good position and a defender can scrap and scrag and there's no free kick

"There's been a bit of that."

The Hawks have not put their case to the umpiring department, but the recent figures are sure to put him in the spotlight.

It has long been accepted that you take the bad with the good when it comes to "Buddy", but the bad has never been more pronounced.

In 2008, Franklin has a 15-38 record in frees for and against.

Since his debut in 2005, he has won 56 frees and conceded 134 in 70 games. The differential of -78 is 18 worse than any other player in the competition.

In the same timeframe St Kilda's Nick Riewoldt has a 111-25 free-kick record - a difference of plus 86.

That is a stunning comparison considering Riewoldt and Franklin play similar roles.

Franklin started his career with a 15-26 record in 2005. In 2006, he finished with 9-25. Last year, he tracked at 17-45.

Already, in 14 games this year, Franklin has been penalised 15 times for in-the-back indiscretions - three more than any other player.

Franklin has been caught holding the ball eight times - the second most in the competition - and penalised for holding the man six times.

Although 28 of the 38 frees have come in Hawthorn's forward 50, the remaining 10 have come in the midfield.

He has also thrown in three 50m penalties against for good measure this season.

Since the start of 2005, Franklin has given away a total of 15 50m penalties, behind only Carlton's Brendan Fevola and Fremantle's Jeff Farmer.

The undisciplined moments are having a major effect on SuperCoach teams across the country as Franklin is clearly the most popular player in the Herald Sun fantasy footy game.

A whopping 113,967 SuperCoach entrants have Franklin in their team. The next most popular is Carlton's Matthew Kreuzer, who is in 96,737 teams.

Many have been seduced by Franklin's ability to kick a bag and have regularly made him captain in the hope of doubling a ranking points bonanza.

But the free kicks and 50m penalties against rob Franklin of SuperCoach points.

If you take away all frees against and 50m penalties from the equation, Franklin ranks as the second best player with an average of 126 points.

His average of 106 points currently ranks him 19th in the competition.

Coaches who did not do their homework on his past deeds are losing 20 points a game through his undisciplined acts.
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No love lost between umps and Hawks star Buddy Franklin

Article today's Herald Sun:

No love lost between umps and Hawks star Buddy Franklin
by Mark Stevens, July 02, 2008

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,23955423-19742,00.html

LANCE Franklin's reputation as "Bad Boy Buddy" has hit new heights. The Hawthorn star, already the most penalised AFL player in the past four seasons, has endured a month from hell with the umpires. Franklin has conceded 16 free kicks and been awarded just two in his past four games. In Hawthorn's past two outings, against North Melbourne and West Coast, Franklin has a 0-7 record. But the Hawks are standing by their man, questioning if Franklin was missing out on some deserved frees.

"He's been a bit unlucky on occasions," Hawthorn football manager Mark Evans said yesterday. "Buddy makes such good position, I'd be surprised if there wasn't a few there he could have got. "Sometimes key forwards can have very good position and a defender can scrap and scrag and there's no free kick. "There's been a bit of that."

The Hawks have not put their case to the umpiring department, but the recent figures are sure to put him in the spotlight. It has long been accepted that you take the bad with the good when it comes to "Buddy", but the bad has never been more pronounced.

In 2008, Franklin has a 15-38 record in frees for and against. Since his debut in 2005, he has won 56 frees and conceded 134 in 70 games. The differential of -78 is 18 worse than any other player in the competition.
In the same timeframe St Kilda's Nick Riewoldt has a 111-25 free-kick record - a difference of plus 86.

That is a stunning comparison considering Riewoldt and Franklin play similar roles. Franklin started his career with a 15-26 record in 2005. In 2006, he finished with 9-25. Last year, he tracked at 17-45.
Already, in 14 games this year, Franklin has been penalised 15 times for in-the-back indiscretions - three more than any other player.
Franklin has been caught holding the ball eight times - the second most in the competition - and penalised for holding the man six times.
Although 28 of the 38 frees have come in Hawthorn's forward 50, the remaining 10 have come in the midfield.

He has also thrown in three 50m penalties against for good measure this season. Since the start of 2005, Franklin has given away a total of 15 50m penalties, behind only Carlton's Brendan Fevola and Fremantle's Jeff Farmer.
 

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Re: No love lost between umps and Hawks star Buddy Franklin

Is it that Buddy lost their love? Or just hasn't found his brain?:D

Seriously dumb footballer, so amazingly freakish its probably just as well he's undisciplined or he'd boot 10 every week.

Hodge is a bit of a hot-head too I guess, but much smarter.

Its a bit of a beat up really. Hawks play hard and tough, they roughed us up and it definitely shook the Pies and helped them win so good luck to them.

You have to expect the umps to penalise you if you play that way. I think the Brisbane 01-03 side got a negative count and the Pies in the early 90's were quite dirty, but didn't care so long as the enemy felt it.
 
Re: No love lost between umps and Hawks star Buddy Franklin

Hoops said:
Giving away free kicks is one part of the game he has to work on.
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I agree.

What he really needs to work on however is getting to the level where he gets a free ride like Ablett and Judd.

FFS Judd gets caught holding the ball that often it's not funny.
 
Re: No love lost between umps and Hawks star Buddy Franklin

My theory is that the umpires are the same as everyone else and can't take their eyes off Buddy when he is near the action.

It's a joke, the number of times he gets scragged or has his arms chopped in marking contests, but doesn't get awarded a free kick.
Darren Glass continually infringed the other night (smart play to punch your opponent's bicep and not his forearm)

It's plainly obvious the umpires are only looking at Franklin in the marking contests to see whether or not he places hands in the back. Maybe Franklin would be better off if played for frees like Riewoldt and fell over every time he received the slightest contact. Can you believe those stats for Riewoldt? 111 frees for, 25 frees against...

Some players get awarded the softest frees for having their run at ball blocked by opponents. Yet I've never seen Buddy receive a free kick for this, despite putting up with this in every game he plays.

Franklin can be undisciplined with some of his tackles, but the umpires crucify him in this area. I believe they are prejudiced. The umpires have the preconceived idea that Franklin infringes every time he lays a tackle. Sometimes the whistle is almost instananeous. Other players get away with similar or worse tackles, never Buddy.

Come on Gieschen, come clean. Please admit that your umpires are as fixated on Franklin as everyone else.
It would be nice to see him treated the same as other players.
 
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The stats are interesting in the Stevens article but not much analysis of the how and why of the frees and are they justified. I tried having a think and a look at it.

When you do that, you see that it probably is about right for the role and way he plays and the Hawks game plan as far as the Frees Against anyway. The frees For, he might be slightly unlucky (from the live action on Friday there seemed to be some that could of went his way) but no worse then any other of the key forwards in the league.

Any one with the paper version of this, how is the story placed? Is it in a type of Champion Data/Stats/SuperCoach section of the Sports pages or just another article? Could explain the context and lack of analysis.

I also looked at Riewoldt's frees and why he had a better differental and you would have to think that logical as well!

The one thing I didn't mention is that it is interesting that the one hardest hit by the in the back rule is a forward and not back as everyone predicted last year!
 
Re: No love lost between umps and Hawks star Buddy Franklin

Just because he has the most frees against doesn't mean that the umpires go out of their way to penalise him. Those frre kicks could all have been legitamite. I've watched Franklin a couple of times this year and he certainly infringes a lot in marking contests. He is the worst offender in the AFL for hands in the back. He should try to modify this part of the game.

On another note Hawthorn fans all brag about their teams "unsociable football" and how they are the toughest team in the league. Then when they get frees paid against them they whinge. You can't expect to play unsociable football and get a good ride with the umpires.
 
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It's also a shame, that these pathetic new draconian "holding the ball" rule interpretations deprive us of seeing one of Franklin's fantastic abilities: his ability to take on opponents, stand in a tackle and offload the ball.

He got penalised recently for holding the ball after being swung around 360 degrees and firing out a 25 metre handpass (which hit the target)

How can it be holding the ball, if you handball it into the next postcode?

Back when I played football, a tackle was only considered to be a tackle if it stuck and it ******ed your opponent. But nowadays, people are so obsessed with holding the ball, they scream for the decision every time a player gets "tagged".

When did our game turn into touch rugby?

Where in the rulebook does it mention ANYTHING about getting spun around 360 degrees?
 
Re: No love lost between umps and Hawks star Buddy Franklin

Chewy said:
My theory is that the umpires are the same as everyone else and can't take their eyes off Buddy when he is near the action.

It's a joke, the number of times he gets scragged or has his arms chopped in marking contests, but doesn't get awarded a free kick.
Darren Glass continually infringed the other night (smart play to punch your opponent's bicep and not his forearm)

It's plainly obvious the umpires are only looking at Franklin in the marking contests to see whether or not he places hands in the back. Maybe Franklin would be better off if played for frees like Riewoldt and fell over every time he received the slightest contact. Can you believe those stats for Riewoldt? 111 frees for, 25 frees against...

Some players get awarded the softest frees for having their run at ball blocked by opponents. Yet I've never seen Buddy receive a free kick for this, despite putting up with this in every game he plays.

Franklin can be undisciplined with some of his tackles, but the umpires crucify him in this area. I believe they are prejudiced. The umpires have the preconceived idea that Franklin infringes every time he lays a tackle. Sometimes the whistle is almost instananeous. Other players get away with similar or worse tackles, never Buddy.

Come on Gieschen, come clean. Please admit that your umpires are as fixated on Franklin as everyone else.
It would be nice to see him treated the same as other players.
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Well said.
Quickest to blow a free kick against Buddy than any other player in the leauge.
When he is pushed or held nothing comes for us!!!
So fustrating.
 
Chewy said:
It's also a shame, that these pathetic new draconian "holding the ball" rule interpretations deprive us of seeing one of Franklin's fantastic abilities: his ability to take on opponents, stand in a tackle and offload the ball.

He got penalised recently for holding the ball after being swung around 360 degrees and firing out a 25 metre handpass (which hit the target)

How can it be holding the ball, if you handball it into the next postcode?

Back when I played football, a tackle was only considered to be a tackle if it stuck and it ******ed your opponent. But nowadays, people are so obsessed with holding the ball, they scream for the decision every time a player gets "tagged".

When did our game turn into touch rugby?

Where in the rulebook does it mention ANYTHING about getting spun around 360 degrees?
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A bomber player got pinned for exactly that on the weekend - turned 360 then handballed; yet Brennan for the Lions got turned 360, touched the ball to the ground (!!) and wasn't penalised!! Umpiring inconsistency is the biggest annoyance. That's not just confined to Buddy
 

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