are the clokes footballers or market tools.

[tigers67]

i was talking with a pies supporter the other day and he was raving about the clokes and what they bring to collingwood as far as kpp but i was not convinced and feel that eddie and co. have decided that they might as well gain a marketing group rather than three skilled and versatile players. i think that the only valid reason for taking all three is for marketing (which is reasonable in its own right) and will pay long term in developing a more workable team structure. any thoughts?

 

[tyk23]

i was talking with a pies supporter the other day and he was raving about the clokes and what they bring to collingwood as far as kpp but i was not convinced and feel that eddie and co. have decided that they might as well gain a marketing group rather than three skilled and versatile players. i think that the only valid reason for taking all three is for marketing (which is reasonable in its own right) and will pay long term in developing a more workable team structure. any thoughts?

And what advantage would taking up three position's on your list purely for marketing (and how would this help the pies marketing??) give the team?

 

[Punt_Road_Roar]

everyone knows travis was the best out of the 3, so to get travis they had to take the other 2.

I would have liked travis at Richmond, but without taking the other two our chances were minimal.

But in saying that they earn their keep to a degree, whether all 3 will get a game at once, well that we will have to wait and see.

 

[ThatThis]

By no means am i saying that in their own right they will be superstars or even great players. However they are all capable senior footballers, and provide strong depth in positions where it is hard to find good players.

And remember Richmond tried hard for ALL 3 of the boys before they signed at Collingwood...

 

[Sheeds]

I have no doubt they all have some ability but in my opinion all 3 are basically playing for the same positions, I cant see all 3 playing in the one side at once. Surely 1 of them was better off going to Richmond for a better opportuntiy.

 

[ThatThis]

Please explain how they are all playing for the same position.

C1: Is a backman,
C2: Is a forward and a pinch hitting ruckman...
C3: Prodomintantly a ruckman in the Josh Fraser mould, Darcy, ie Can play midfield.

They might clash with other players in terms of their positions on matchday, but not with each other.

 

[Sheeds]

Well I think there best positions are playing in the defensive half, whether they do or not is up up to the coaching staff. If your talking about Jason Cloke playing as a forward then really that has been a shocking move and he does not give a whole lot up there.

 

[CJH]

...

And remember Richmond tried hard for ALL 3 of the boys before they signed at Collingwood...

Richmond chose NOT to forsake a 2nd round draft pick for Jason (and ended up picking up Mark Coughlan with that pick). I'm not sure we chased Cameron too strongly either.

Travis is the only one we really had a crack at.

 

[FIGJAM]

Please explain how they are all playing for the same position.

C1: Is a backman,
C2: Is a forward and a pinch hitting ruckman...
C3: Prodomintantly a ruckman in the Josh Fraser mould, Darcy, ie Can play midfield.

They might clash with other players in terms of their positions on matchday, but not with each other.

I agree with everything you said there, although C3 (aka Travis) is more of a CHF.

He's physical, whilst at the same time choosing to play as an outside forward for the most part. That's not a bad thing, as he'll form a very good leading target.

I do think he'll be competing somewhat with Cameron. Cam is a bit slower and more of a Rocca type bash and crash forward.

We've got a whole bunch of young raw talls on our list. All of them are natural forwards except for Walker. But, not all of them will remain as forwards IMO, and some will have to take up key defensive posts.

As for the Clokes, I think all of them can make it, although if I were to express concern over any of them, Jason would be the one I would have long term doubts over, especially when competing against the likes of Lonie and now Maxwell for the third / fourth tall option.

As for Cam and Travis "competing" against each other, I'd rather have more Anthony Rocca types, than fewer!

 

[ThatThis]

C1: Jason, C2: Cameron, C3: Travis

Well I think there best positions are playing in the defensive half, whether they do or not is up up to the coaching staff. If your talking about Jason Cloke playing as a forward then really that has been a shocking move and he does not give a whole lot up there.

Please tell my why u think Cameron is a defensive player... And where i mentioned that Jason was a forward. I agree, he is a ******** forward.

Richmond chose NOT to forsake a 2nd round draft pick for Jason (and ended up picking up Mark Coughlan with that pick). I'm not sure we chased Cameron too strongly either.

Travis is the only one we really had a crack at.

Actually Richmond didnt CHOOSE not to forsake a second round pick, Jason CHOSE Collingwood. And if you do ur research u will see that Richmond went after all 3 of the boys. The fact that you got Coughlan was pure coincidence.

 

[Punt_Road_Roar]

Actually Richmond didnt CHOOSE not to forsake a second round pick, Jason CHOSE Collingwood. And if you do ur research u will see that Richmond went after all 3 of the boys. The fact that you got Coughlan was pure coincidence.

Not correct entirely, your getting your facts mixed up a bit even though your kinda on the right track.

Richmond weighed it up whether to take Jason or use our 2nd round draft pick on someone else, it ********ed off Jason's mother and they went to Collingwood.

We wanted Jason yes but not for a second round draft pick, Damir Cloke & wife took that as an insult and thats why Jason is at the Pies, so ********ed off they were with Richmond we werent even given a choice to get Cameron.

So to say we chased all 3 is not true, we didnt bother with Cameron at all. Everyone knew Cameron was pie bound even a year before the draft.

 

[eddiesmith]

Richmond tried very hard to get Cameron and even harder to get Travis, FACT

Jason is a backman

Cam is a roving FF/Tall FP with a pinch hitting ruck role

Trav can play CHF or CHB and can do some ruck work. Trav is not a full time ruckman

Cam and Trav may compete for the same spot but eventually Trav will take Roccas spot and they will all get in

 

[MOJOE]

Richmond tried very hard to get Cameron and even harder to get Travis, FACT

Jason is a backman

Cam is a roving FF/Tall FP with a pinch hitting ruck role

Trav can play CHF or CHB and can do some ruck work. Trav is not a full time ruckman

Cam and Trav may compete for the same spot but eventually Trav will take Roccas spot and they will all get in

Jason is a spare man in defence... no accountability! Has been found out. For your sake you're going to hope the other brothers come good - and fast!

 

[local]

Jason Cloke is a dud. He can only play as a spare man in the back line. Picking up loose possions
From what I've seen with Cameron he is the worst. May make it as a water boy but is no AFL footballer.
Travis may have the goods. Time will tell.
In the end Jason and Cam will be delisted with in the next 2-3 years. Travis could become a good forward. He reminds me of his old man.

 

[ThatThis]

Jason Cloke is a dud. He can only play as a spare man in the back line. Picking up loose possions
From what I've seen with Cameron he is the worst. May make it as a water boy but is no AFL footballer.
Travis may have the goods. Time will tell.
In the end Jason and Cam will be delisted with in the next 2-3 years. Travis could become a good forward. He reminds me of his old man.

Jason is a dud that your team wanted. He is very good at the position he plays, and with Richmonds defence ATM, he would be one of the first pencilled in every week if u had him.

I dont know what games you watched this year when Cameron played and perhaps you were watching another team. Have a look at Anzac Day vs Essendon, against WCE and Melbourne. Dont look at the stats, watch the games, big difference.

Case of sour grapes, as it seems most richmond supporters are the ones posting ******** here.

 

[Docker_Brat]

Collingwood putting marketing before winning football games? I find that difficult to believe.

 

[leonmagic]

Collingwood putting marketing before winning football games? I find that difficult to believe.

Ouch.

 

[blue boy]

jason and cameron cloke are rubbish but travis cloke is a very talented kid

 

[NICK THE PIE MAN]

jason and cameron cloke are rubbish but travis cloke is a very talented kid

Cameron is not rubbish. In the games he played this year before going down with a shoulder reconstrcution, he showed that he WILL be a player.

 

[Baby Blue]

Travis > Cameron > Jason

 

[eddiesmith]

Dont go bagging Jason baby blue, your crappy club wanted him

 

[VANDA]

Hot Potato Hot Potato!

still pmsl & Damir & The Wiggly Clokes!

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

Dont go bagging Jason baby blue, your crappy club wanted him

In fairness, I think he's right though. Although I think Cam may turn out to be better than Trav, both of the younger boys will be better than Jason.

I think Cameron will play the most like his dad out of the 3...

 

[FIGJAM]

Jason is a spare man in defence... no accountability! Has been found out. For your sake you're going to hope the other brothers come good - and fast!

Jason doesn't have foot speed, but accountability he has in bucket loads!

He reads the play especially well and is able to pick the right time to leave his man. That's not being unaccountable!

Like I said, I think his footspeed and poor kicking might let him down in the long run. I have found out that he was carying an injury for a large chunk of the year and hope that he's at full fitness ala 2002, but I do think he has the lowest chance of securing a regular berth out of the three over the forthcoming years.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Actually Richmond didnt CHOOSE not to forsake a second round pick, Jason CHOSE Collingwood. And if you do ur research u will see that Richmond went after all 3 of the boys. The fact that you got Coughlan was pure coincidence.

Get ya facts right.Jason didnt Choose the pies as his 1st choice.In fact his 1st choice was Richmond.We were the ones who decided his fate along with Cam & Travis.

cheers!