No Oppo Supporters ASAGA - The Final Chapter - Appeal Dismissed (Page 12) - The End

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HirdsTheWord said:
you should have asked him if abusing junior umpires, excessive use of cocaine and drink driving is much better.
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Could have, decided I couldn't be arsed getting into an argument with a complete nuffy. I mean who thinks that behaving like that is going to win you repeat business?
 
Does anyone else feel like a weight has been lifted off the shoulders?

I'm watching the finals with the anticipation that we're watching what we have a genuine chance of starting to chase next year.

It looks like an interesting finals series and one that I hope our team get together and watch and learn from.

The end of this season means we've put the worst behind us. We'll draft and trade some new players, we'll get a whole bunch back and can start with basically a clean slate and no distractions or expectations. (Please can we keep the expectations down for next year, 2018, I'm all for finals talk, but next year, let's focus on development and consolidate.)

I finally am starting to have really positive feelings about watching the next Bombers match.
 

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Saint said:
Does anyone else feel like a weight has been lifted off the shoulders?

I'm watching the finals with the anticipation that we're watching what we have a genuine chance of starting to chase next year.

It looks like an interesting finals series and one that I hope our team get together and watch and learn from.

The end of this season means we've put the worst behind us. We'll draft and trade some new players, we'll get a whole bunch back and can start with basically a clean slate and no distractions or expectations. (Please can we keep the expectations down for next year, 2018, I'm all for finals talk, but next year, let's focus on development and consolidate.)

I finally am starting to have really positive feelings about watching the next Bombers match.
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Lindsay Tanner on radio the last few days has been good on Essendon's expectations next year.

The club is in a good spot on where It's sit.
 
Saint said:
Does anyone else feel like a weight has been lifted off the shoulders?

I'm watching the finals with the anticipation that we're watching what we have a genuine chance of starting to chase next year.

It looks like an interesting finals series and one that I hope our team get together and watch and learn from.

The end of this season means we've put the worst behind us. We'll draft and trade some new players, we'll get a whole bunch back and can start with basically a clean slate and no distractions or expectations. (Please can we keep the expectations down for next year, 2018, I'm all for finals talk, but next year, let's focus on development and consolidate.)

I finally am starting to have really positive feelings about watching the next Bombers match.
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That positive feeling will disappear when it is revealed our first game next year is Sydney in Sydney or West Coast in Perth :D

Seriously though, I think most supporters feel this way. Finally feels like our club is stable and has a clear direction in which it is headed. If we can somehow land O'Meara, and draft McLuggage (sp?), then 2017 is going to be ****ing exciting!
 
In these days of free agency etc, even if we don't land O'Meara or another big fish next year, it just means there's more in the coffers for next year. As a big Melbourne club that can see off even the worst adversity we're certainly a club that people will always want to come to.
 
Yeah they were drug cheating.

Glad normality is back next season. Been a very long 4 seasons of shit.
 
222EB said:
View attachment 286231 Looks like Mcdoushbag has been shown to up to be a lying piece of shit once again

Breaking news: 29 of 34 Essendon players filled out DCF correctly
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"In its judgement, the Court for Arbitration of Sport (CAS) Panel said: “The complete failure of the vast majority of Players who had to fill in a doping control form ("DCF") during the season to reveal the receipt of injections does not encourage confidence in their statements as to the limited or sporadic nature of what they were injected with.”

An independent investigation has now confirmed at least 29 (out of 34) of these Essendon players had filled out their DCF correctly. Further, this independent investigation suggests doubt remain over remaining 5 player DCF's as well.

Bruce Francis, a political science graduate, former OH&S lecturer and batsman with the Australian cricket team, has compiled a comprehensive response to the CAS ‘Strands in the Cable’ decision.
Mr Francis has been looking into the Essendon 34 investigation in greater detail. Below is an extract from this investigation:

“...On first reading this is another example of the panel generalising or being lazy and failing to be specific. As the panel had access to the players’ doping control forms it should have taken the extra minute to quantify how many of the 34 players didn’t fill in their forms correctly. On closer reading, we discover that once again the panel was being extraordinarily liberal with the truth. Only 21 players were drug tested during the period. As can be seen below, at least eight of the nine players I have information for filled out their forms correctly.


The horrifying aspect of the panel’s claim is it had no idea what it was talking about. The panel cannot substantiate that the 21 players didn’t reveal the receipt of injections. As Thymosin is the only banned substance, it is clearly the substance that concerned the panel that it had allegedly been omitted from the players’ doping control form. The players were required to list all substances taken within seven days of their test. The panel cannot name a single date that a specific player was injected. Consequently, it is astounding that the panel claimed that the players failed to follow the rules. The onus was on WADA to provide evidence that the players failed to record that they had received an injection within seven days of their test. WADA failed to offer any evidence to that effect. Unconscionably, without any evidence to support its determination, the panel implied that the players had colluded with each other and had lied when filling out their forms.

The outrageousness of the panel’s negative judgement of the players arising from this issue is exemplified by the following seven players who were cross-examined by the CAS panel:
1. Scott Gumbleton did not have a doping test in 2012.
2. Brent Prismall was tested on 6 December 2011. Prismall hadn’t received an injection at that stage and therefore he had nothing to declare on his doping control form.
3. Jobe Watson was tested in January 2012 and 12 July 2012. Watson hadn’t been injected before February 2012 and refused to be injected by the end of April. Consequently, he cannot be accused of failing to fill out his form correctly.
4. David Hille was tested on 14 May 2012. Like Watson, he too, refused injections before the end of April.
5. Cory Dell’Olio was tested on 14 July 2012. As he had not received an injection in the previous seven days he had nothing to declare on his doping control form
6. Mark McVeigh was tested on 23 January 2012. McVeigh had not been injected at that stage and therefore had nothing to declare on his doping control form.
7. Ricky Dyson was tested on six occasions in 2012. As I don’t know, and the panel doesn’t know, when Dyson received his Thymosin injection, it is impossible to say whether he failed to fill out his form correctly.

Although Dyson Heppell and Ben Howlett were not required to appear at the hearing, they were in the same boat as the first six players listed above in that they were tested before (23 January 2012) receiving any injections.. As they had not been injected at that stage they had nothing to declare on their doping control forms.

Seven of the remaining 12 players testified that they were never administered a Thymosin injection. Therefore, only a maximum number of five players may not have filled out their doping control forms correctly. I cannot comment on those five players because I have not seen their doping control test forms, despite having made a FOI request to ASADA for those forms on 22 June 2016.

My command of the English language is poor and my mathematical skills are worse. But in my book, five out of 34 doesn’t reconcile with the panel’s claim that “the complete failure of the vast majority of Players who had to fill in a doping control form ("DCF") during the season to reveal the receipt of injections does not encourage confidence in their statements as to the limited or sporadic nature of what they were injected with”.

Shamefully, this statement was one of the major reasons the panel found the players guilty."

Poor form by CAS.
 
The foamers don't give a toss about the truth so nothing changes there, but
Hopefully cas looks at it properly this time and changes their uninformed judgement, which was mostly based on the thought that the players we're lying
 
Matthew_Lloyd said:
lmao completely forgotten about this saga. Just some of the lowlights:


- The bigfooty meltdown over the Dank interview in 2013 when he scratched his nose.
- The relentless troll who started an alias account seemingly everyday on the HTB in 2013.
- Mark Stevens and his AOD pamphlet fiasco.
- Dr. Ageless
- Caroline Wilson complaining about the emotional toll of the saga (had the audacity to complain about the vitriol she copped for her shit).
- The Brisbane poster who wanted to ban his kids from playing/watching football unless we were banned from the competition.
- McDevitt not knowing what the standard of proof was
- The rampant sexism towards Tania Hird.

there's more, but the last 3 years can get stuffed. That is what happens when ass-covering politicians try to mix their bullshit with sport. Clowns
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It really brought out the worst in a lot of people.
 

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222EB said:
The foamers don't give a toss about the truth so nothing changes there, but
Hopefully cas looks at it properly this time and changes their uninformed judgement, which was mostly based on the thought that the players we're lying
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I don't think the Swiss court will even look at that aspect. The appeal is based on the legality of WADA's appeal. That's all the Court will look and judge on.
 
rumply said:
unfortunately that all might be 100% correct & verifiable but, with Bruce as the author, no one with any clout will even look at it ( I suspect).
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Bruce may have his faults but by **** he's done some serious analysis on the info available. In fact, I'm certain he's done more analysis than anyone other than ASADA who were in the powerful position to manipulate information to suit their prosecution. I'm sure that the CAS, in its fraction of time spent assessing the evidence, were only ever aware of a select minutiae of information when making their hasty decision. This is why the benefit of the doubt should have gone with the players. Instead, it became a political decision, based on circumstantial evidence.
 
Matthew_Lloyd said:
lmao completely forgotten about this saga. Just some of the lowlights:


- The bigfooty meltdown over the Dank interview in 2013 when he scratched his nose.
- The relentless troll who started an alias account seemingly everyday on the HTB in 2013.
- Mark Stevens and his AOD pamphlet fiasco.
- Dr. Ageless
- Caroline Wilson complaining about the emotional toll of the saga (had the audacity to complain about the vitriol she copped for her shit).
- The Brisbane poster who wanted to ban his kids from playing/watching football unless we were banned from the competition.
- McDevitt not knowing what the standard of proof was
- The rampant sexism towards Tania Hird.

there's more, but the last 3 years can get stuffed. That is what happens when ass-covering politicians try to mix their bullshit with sport. Clowns
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That's the one that did it for me. What an utterly disgraceful human being that person is.
 
So we still have the situation where the AFl Anti-Doping Tribunal found Dank not GUILTY of administering TB4 - WADA appealed this finding, but then withdrew their appeal after the CAS Tribunal - Yet players are found guilty of using TB4 - How is this so ?
 
The suspensions are officially over as of today aren't they? If so, slam another nail into the coffin of this ****ing mess.

It's a shame the suspensions end when the team is on leave, it'd be awesome for the lads to walk back into the club full of their team mates and get down to the business of being footballers again. There again, low key is probably exactly what's needed at this point too.
 
Pweter said:
The suspensions are officially over as of today aren't they? If so, slam another nail into the coffin of this ******* mess.

It's a shame the suspensions end when the team is on leave, it'd be awesome for the lads to walk back into the club full of their team mates and get down to the business of being footballers again. There again, low key is probably exactly what's needed at this point too.
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Not officially over.
Players can return to the facilities, but bans don't end until November.

Club cant be involved in any marketing of players or anything like that until November, until that time its basically just a new place for the guys to train.
 
Mercurial89 said:
Not officially over.
Players can return to the facilities, but bans don't end until November.

Club cant be involved in any marketing of players or anything like that until November, until that time its basically just a new place for the guys to train.
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I wonder if the "talking to the coach about football" part of the ban is up now or in November...
 
Fly said:
I wonder if the "talking to the coach about football" part of the ban is up now or in November...
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I think it might be similar to Crowley who started training back with the team before being available for finals.

This stage of the punishment is about reintegration and letting the players come back but not compete.
 
Mercurial89 said:
I think it might be similar to Crowley who started training back with the team before being available for finals.

This stage of the punishment is about reintegration and letting the players come back but not compete.
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So given we're going into pre-season, it effectively means the bans are over from a footballing sense. I get your point on the marketing etc, but I'm sure the players wouldn't give 2 shits about that at this point, just being allowed back on site would be a major step forward.
 
I think their images are still allowed to be used for marketing purposes, just not allowed to take new images? I.e. not allowed to be paid for more stuff during the ban period.
 
Fly said:
I think their images are still allowed to be used for marketing purposes, just not allowed to take new images? I.e. not allowed to be paid for more stuff during the ban period.
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Yeah there are intricacies to it no doubt that aren't specifically outlined.

I wonder if the ban had of ended this week and the VFL guys were still playing would they be able to stand in the huddle? into the rooms?
 
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