If 4 openers are in the team, Clarke will probably bat 5. If one of the openers drops out of the team and is replaced by a middle order batsman, Clarke will probably bat 4.
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I'd take Paine over Haddin as a reserve keeper
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I hope we pick 4 quicks and risolle Lyon.
Starc
Harris
Pattinson
Siddle
looks pretty good.
Who cares about the batting it's going to be horrible whichever way we look at it.
Starc
Harris
Pattinson
Siddle
looks pretty good.
Who cares about the batting it's going to be horrible whichever way we look at it.
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I have no idea why everyone has Hughes in squads , he has been terrible and most games he gets out straight away. Can't play spin or short pitch balls. We need to keep trying new people until we find someone that is capable at test level. Hughes is a proven failure at test level against good bowlers.
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Starc isn't the world's worst bowler but I'd almost have him 6th in line for an Ashes spot behind Pattinson, Siddle, Bird, Harris and Hilfenhaus. Harris has been quickly forgotten by most so I was pleased to see you list him.
No way is Hilf in contention. He hasnt improved as a bowler, in fact he's probably deteriorated as others like Bird have leap frogged him in the pecking order.
Starc gives us a decent Left arm quick and when he shapes it in he's proven he can take high quality test wickets. Can bat.
Assuming everyone is fit my bowling battery would look something like:
Pattinson, Starc, Bird, Lyon with Harris, Siddle, Cummins/Faulkner there to contend for places.
forwardflanker
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Yeah Harris is world class and it's a tragedy that he gets injured all the time imo.
re Starc I guess I'm just in love with the idea of left arm in swingers in English swing friendly seeming conditions. Starc might be all over the place but if we pick 4 quicks then I think you want the 4th to be a wicket taker and he is probably the most lively outside of the other 3 I mentioned.
If we pick four quicks then it provides a bit of insurance for Starc if he's having a bad day or for injury which is fairly likely if Harris is in the 11.
the whole "oh my god is Hilf's action gonna be alright??!?!?!" is kind of a problem, but 6 fast bowlers should be picked, Hilf will be probably be the 6th one picked (instead of MJ) and if his action is indeed alright, he'll be in contention.
Bowling wise, the issue is Starc, Bird, Cummins are all injured/yet to play since an injury.
Harris, if he gets through the shield final, should be put on ice and taken on tour. His stats speak for themselves, he's a big effort bowler, generally doesnt take too long to get back into form after being out injured as this spell in the final shows. If he's right, he has to be on tour for me.
Patto/Siddle are definite selections.
If Bird is out then i guess Hilfy is back once i think about it, cant think of many others who can swing the ball.
Faulkner in contention as a bolter.
Harris, if he gets through the shield final, should be put on ice and taken on tour. His stats speak for themselves, he's a big effort bowler, generally doesnt take too long to get back into form after being out injured as this spell in the final shows. If he's right, he has to be on tour for me.
Patto/Siddle are definite selections.
If Bird is out then i guess Hilfy is back once i think about it, cant think of many others who can swing the ball.
Faulkner in contention as a bolter.
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Some obvious ins and outs with Cowan being the hard luck story.
I'd go with:
Silk
Watson
Clarke
Doolan
Paine
Faulkner
Sandhu
Butterworth
O'Keefe
Hilfenhaus
Bird
12th man Hadden/Hartley
I'd go with:
Silk
Watson
Clarke
Doolan
Paine
Faulkner
Sandhu
Butterworth
O'Keefe
Hilfenhaus
Bird
12th man Hadden/Hartley
You have the tail starting at 5, and a top order that consists of two rookies with no international experience, an allrounder that can't actually bowl, and Clarke batting at three. I can only assume this is a troll.
Dudley Leopard
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Not being an expert or anything I will go with the following squad:
Bats : Cowan, Rogers, Clarke, Voges, Warner, Henriques, Watson
Keepers : Haddin, Paine
Quicks : Starc, Pattinson, Siddle, Coulter-Nile, Bird
Spinners : Lyon, O'keefe
Batting is weak. Rogers and Voges would add some experience.
Bats : Cowan, Rogers, Clarke, Voges, Warner, Henriques, Watson
Keepers : Haddin, Paine
Quicks : Starc, Pattinson, Siddle, Coulter-Nile, Bird
Spinners : Lyon, O'keefe
Batting is weak. Rogers and Voges would add some experience.
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If I was the lord commander of selection:
Cowan
Hughes
Doolan (even though he's been rubbish lately, best suited to spot)
Khawaja
Clarke
Hartley
Faulkner
Siddle
Starc/Harris (He needs to be 100%, not worth the risk otherwise)
Pattinson
Lyon
Now Hartley at 6 looks a bit weak but with the long tail I think it makes up for it, considering some of that tail looks better than most batsman we have . If Watson can bowl he comes in for Faulkner and bats above Hartley, if not he's not in good enough touch with the bat to warrant selection. The rest of my squad would be Wade, Bird, Warner, Burns, Hilfy, SOK and MM.
If I was CA selection muppet:
Warner
Cowan
Hughes
Watson
Clarke
Wade
Henriques
Pies/Lyon
Siddle
Starc
Patto
Cowan
Hughes
Doolan (even though he's been rubbish lately, best suited to spot)
Khawaja
Clarke
Hartley
Faulkner
Siddle
Starc/Harris (He needs to be 100%, not worth the risk otherwise)
Pattinson
Lyon
Now Hartley at 6 looks a bit weak but with the long tail I think it makes up for it, considering some of that tail looks better than most batsman we have . If Watson can bowl he comes in for Faulkner and bats above Hartley, if not he's not in good enough touch with the bat to warrant selection. The rest of my squad would be Wade, Bird, Warner, Burns, Hilfy, SOK and MM.
If I was CA selection muppet:
Warner
Cowan
Hughes
Watson
Clarke
Wade
Henriques
Pies/Lyon
Siddle
Starc
Patto
Faulkner's not good enough to bat middle order in Tests.
eth-dog
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Okay, the squad now for me is (this is bloody hard):
Batsmen:
David Warner
Ed Cowan
Phil Hughes
Michael Clarke
Steve Smith
Shane Watson
Usman Khawaja
Top 4 are definite starters for me. Right now I'd start Smith, he's done well in India and has made runs in the shield so he's the man IMO
Keepers:
Matthew Wade
Brad Haddin
Wade starting. better bat and keeper IMO
Allrounders:
James Faulkner
Andrew McDonald
Faulkner averages 27 in tassie, and has averaged over 30 with the stick every season in the shield bar 1 since his debut, and that's a pretty good effort. McDonald a good, experienced middle order bat
Bowlers:
Mitchell Starc
Peter Siddle
James Pattinson
Ryan Harris
Jackson Bird
Nathan Lyon
Ashton Agar
They're the 5 best fast bowlers when fit, and since they're all fit (by July) I'd take them. Lyon clearly #1 spinner in Australia, Agar a good deputy and can learn in England
The starting side would be:
Warner
Cowan
Hughes
Clarke
Smith
McDonald
Wade
Harris
Siddle
Pattinson
Lyon
That's a solid enough side. Also one of the best tail's in the world. Lyon would bat at 9 for most tails if you swap him with their spinner (or one of them in India's case). Maybe 10 for SA.
Batsmen:
David Warner
Ed Cowan
Phil Hughes
Michael Clarke
Steve Smith
Shane Watson
Usman Khawaja
Top 4 are definite starters for me. Right now I'd start Smith, he's done well in India and has made runs in the shield so he's the man IMO
Keepers:
Matthew Wade
Brad Haddin
Wade starting. better bat and keeper IMO
Allrounders:
James Faulkner
Andrew McDonald
Faulkner averages 27 in tassie, and has averaged over 30 with the stick every season in the shield bar 1 since his debut, and that's a pretty good effort. McDonald a good, experienced middle order bat
Bowlers:
Mitchell Starc
Peter Siddle
James Pattinson
Ryan Harris
Jackson Bird
Nathan Lyon
Ashton Agar
They're the 5 best fast bowlers when fit, and since they're all fit (by July) I'd take them. Lyon clearly #1 spinner in Australia, Agar a good deputy and can learn in England
The starting side would be:
Warner
Cowan
Hughes
Clarke
Smith
McDonald
Wade
Harris
Siddle
Pattinson
Lyon
That's a solid enough side. Also one of the best tail's in the world. Lyon would bat at 9 for most tails if you swap him with their spinner (or one of them in India's case). Maybe 10 for SA.
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Cowan
Warner
Hughes
Clarke
Watson
Khawaja/Doolan
Wade
Siddle
Patto
Lyon
Harris/Bird/Starc
That's my team for the first test. Watson needs to bowl, at 5 he should be able to. The number 6 spot is a worry, so put the two best shield batsman this season (excluding Hughes) in for that spot.
Harris looked really good today, if fit he must play.
Warner
Hughes
Clarke
Watson
Khawaja/Doolan
Wade
Siddle
Patto
Lyon
Harris/Bird/Starc
That's my team for the first test. Watson needs to bowl, at 5 he should be able to. The number 6 spot is a worry, so put the two best shield batsman this season (excluding Hughes) in for that spot.
Harris looked really good today, if fit he must play.
Assuming Watson can't bowl, and McDonald isn't fit/ready:
Cowan - Our best bat in India bar Clarke, is constantly learning and improving his game, he's no worldbeater but he's tough.
Warner - Our second best batsman, had an up-and-down tour of India, but who didn't? A firing Warner is our best chance of Ashes success.
Hughes - After a horror start, actually broke out of it and started playing well, which is relatively new for him and a VERY good sign. Like Cowan, he's constantly learning and improving his game, and he'll take confidence from getting himself out of the rut he was in.
Clarke - Goes without saying.
Smith - Looked like our best batsman when he came in. Still has things to work on, but he's much more comfortable at the crease now, which is letting his talent come through. Most importantly, he was willing to leave outside off. Need to persist with him, as he could turn out to be a very special player.
Henriques - Showed class and determination with the bat. Also got out too easily a few times. Very difficult spot to pick, but he showed he's capable of Test-level batting, and his bowling will be much more effective in England.
Wade - Keeping improved drastically throughout the series, which is exactly what we wanted to see. As a young keeper used to Australian pitches, there's no shame struggling to keep to spin bowling, ESPECIALLY in India. The important thing is that he improved. He'll be a better keeper for the experience.
Siddle - Experience. Toughness. Consistency. His best might not be as devastating as Harris, Starc, Pattinson, even Johnson, but damn it if we don't need him.
Harris - Looks fit, fast, and dangerous. If he can last the series, our chances shoot up.
Pattinson - I'm drooling at the idea of Patto tearing up some British green-tops.
Lyon - Like many others, had a tough time in India, but also showed that he learned a lot. Will take a bucketload of confidence from that 7-fa.
Rest of the squad:
Watson - Experienced, but if he can't bowl, then he's not in our best 11. If he can, then he comes in for Henriques, opens with Warner, and Cowan bats at 4 (I was so impressed with Cowan's ability to change his game, adjust to different bowling, and get his eye in against spin first up throughout the India tour that I'm sure he'll have no problem dropping down to 4 if needed).
Starc - Love big Starcy, but he's just not quite consistent enough yet. First in if any of the bowlers struggle or get injured though.
Bird - Assuming he's fit by then, he'll still be a little underdone, so will probably have to sit out at first. Could shoot into the first 11 if he plays the tour games and kills it though.
Faulkner - Because it's about time he's rewarded for some truly excellent bowling form. Might not get a game, but dammit he'll be better off for the experience. Also handy with the bat, but I'm not sure I'd be playing him in the top 7 quite yet.
O'Keefe/Agar - Pick one or the other. I'd go O'Keefe, but the selectors seem to hate him, so if that's the case then at least pick a promising player in Agar.
Haddin - Natural back-up to Wade, and could come in as a specialist batsman if absolutely necessary. Could pick Paine if looking to the future though.
Khawaja - Not yet convinced he's adjusted his game enough to be in the Test side, but he does at least deserve to be in the squad.
If McDonald is fit and ready and has a good Australia A tour, then you probably take him instead of Henriques.
Cowan - Our best bat in India bar Clarke, is constantly learning and improving his game, he's no worldbeater but he's tough.
Warner - Our second best batsman, had an up-and-down tour of India, but who didn't? A firing Warner is our best chance of Ashes success.
Hughes - After a horror start, actually broke out of it and started playing well, which is relatively new for him and a VERY good sign. Like Cowan, he's constantly learning and improving his game, and he'll take confidence from getting himself out of the rut he was in.
Clarke - Goes without saying.
Smith - Looked like our best batsman when he came in. Still has things to work on, but he's much more comfortable at the crease now, which is letting his talent come through. Most importantly, he was willing to leave outside off. Need to persist with him, as he could turn out to be a very special player.
Henriques - Showed class and determination with the bat. Also got out too easily a few times. Very difficult spot to pick, but he showed he's capable of Test-level batting, and his bowling will be much more effective in England.
Wade - Keeping improved drastically throughout the series, which is exactly what we wanted to see. As a young keeper used to Australian pitches, there's no shame struggling to keep to spin bowling, ESPECIALLY in India. The important thing is that he improved. He'll be a better keeper for the experience.
Siddle - Experience. Toughness. Consistency. His best might not be as devastating as Harris, Starc, Pattinson, even Johnson, but damn it if we don't need him.
Harris - Looks fit, fast, and dangerous. If he can last the series, our chances shoot up.
Pattinson - I'm drooling at the idea of Patto tearing up some British green-tops.
Lyon - Like many others, had a tough time in India, but also showed that he learned a lot. Will take a bucketload of confidence from that 7-fa.
Rest of the squad:
Watson - Experienced, but if he can't bowl, then he's not in our best 11. If he can, then he comes in for Henriques, opens with Warner, and Cowan bats at 4 (I was so impressed with Cowan's ability to change his game, adjust to different bowling, and get his eye in against spin first up throughout the India tour that I'm sure he'll have no problem dropping down to 4 if needed).
Starc - Love big Starcy, but he's just not quite consistent enough yet. First in if any of the bowlers struggle or get injured though.
Bird - Assuming he's fit by then, he'll still be a little underdone, so will probably have to sit out at first. Could shoot into the first 11 if he plays the tour games and kills it though.
Faulkner - Because it's about time he's rewarded for some truly excellent bowling form. Might not get a game, but dammit he'll be better off for the experience. Also handy with the bat, but I'm not sure I'd be playing him in the top 7 quite yet.
O'Keefe/Agar - Pick one or the other. I'd go O'Keefe, but the selectors seem to hate him, so if that's the case then at least pick a promising player in Agar.
Haddin - Natural back-up to Wade, and could come in as a specialist batsman if absolutely necessary. Could pick Paine if looking to the future though.
Khawaja - Not yet convinced he's adjusted his game enough to be in the Test side, but he does at least deserve to be in the squad.
If McDonald is fit and ready and has a good Australia A tour, then you probably take him instead of Henriques.
The difference between Faulkner and Henriques with the bat is negligible. Faulkner however is twice the bowler.
Appears much more mentally tough than Henriques too if you ask me.
eth-dog
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Faulkner>Henriques with the bat
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Aussies playing county cricket (only first class games) and in contention.
Chris Rogers, Adam Voges Middlesex. Not sure how they're both going to go about playing together, unless one has a British passport or something.
Ed Cowan playing for Nottinghamshire during (what I can assume to be) the Champions Trophy period. Good to get some extra games in and practise. David Hussey also to play with Nottinghamshire, so if we're short of batsman and/or Phil Hughes fails again, we're going to have a few over there.
Rob Quiney to play for Essex. If he's scoring runs it'll be hard to ignore him.
Hogan from WA over there on a British passport playing for Glamorgan. Marcus North to captain the 40 and 20 over sides and play (not captain???) the County team with Glamorgan as well.
Klinger to captain Gloucestershire after they finished on the bottom of Division 2 last year. It seems in all three formats.
Joe Burns is playing for Leicestershire as well. Could Bradbury his way into the team if he's going well.
http://auscricket.com.au/site/_content/document/00000221-source.pdf
http://auscricket.com.au/default.aspx?s=article-display&id=1160
Anybody with more info in regards to dates etc not in those articles greatly appreciated.
Chris Rogers, Adam Voges Middlesex. Not sure how they're both going to go about playing together, unless one has a British passport or something.
Ed Cowan playing for Nottinghamshire during (what I can assume to be) the Champions Trophy period. Good to get some extra games in and practise. David Hussey also to play with Nottinghamshire, so if we're short of batsman and/or Phil Hughes fails again, we're going to have a few over there.
Rob Quiney to play for Essex. If he's scoring runs it'll be hard to ignore him.
Hogan from WA over there on a British passport playing for Glamorgan. Marcus North to captain the 40 and 20 over sides and play (not captain???) the County team with Glamorgan as well.
Klinger to captain Gloucestershire after they finished on the bottom of Division 2 last year. It seems in all three formats.
Joe Burns is playing for Leicestershire as well. Could Bradbury his way into the team if he's going well.
http://auscricket.com.au/site/_content/document/00000221-source.pdf
http://auscricket.com.au/default.aspx?s=article-display&id=1160
Anybody with more info in regards to dates etc not in those articles greatly appreciated.
He scores runs when they are needed, that is for sure.
He has played some crucial knocks this season.
Put on 125 with Butterworth in the first innings of the shield final when Queensland had just got back into the game at 7/269.
Put on 161 with Paine in the second innings of the shield final when Tasmania were floundering at 6/56.
Put on 100 stand with George Bailey in the one dayer against the WI in Perth when he walked in at 6/98.
Put on 114 stand with Gulbis when Tassie were 6-51 on a bunsen in the Ryobi Cup match in Burnie against WA.
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Yeah should have searched for that a bit better. But anyway, good to have a note on this thread as well.
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After the India Series I would say:
Starting XI:
Cowan
Warner
Hughes
Smith
Clarke
Watson
Wade
Siddle
Pattinson
Lyon
Bird
The rest
Khawaja
Faulkner
Starc
Hilfenhaus
Agar
Paine/Haddin
Top 6 all but assured, perhaps swap Smith and Watto in order if needed. Wade will start the first test barring injury as will Lyon. Siddle and Pattinson I think are locks as well but I would be playing Bird ahead of Starc who I don't rate as highly as most on here in the test arena.
Would love to find a spot for Harris as well but after getting injured yet again in the Shield final I think he is too much of a liability in a 5 day game.
Starting XI:
Cowan
Warner
Hughes
Smith
Clarke
Watson
Wade
Siddle
Pattinson
Lyon
Bird
The rest
Khawaja
Faulkner
Starc
Hilfenhaus
Agar
Paine/Haddin
Top 6 all but assured, perhaps swap Smith and Watto in order if needed. Wade will start the first test barring injury as will Lyon. Siddle and Pattinson I think are locks as well but I would be playing Bird ahead of Starc who I don't rate as highly as most on here in the test arena.
Would love to find a spot for Harris as well but after getting injured yet again in the Shield final I think he is too much of a liability in a 5 day game.
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