Win Prizes Ask an Atheist II

[Gethelred]

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Alright, we're going to have a change of tack. As I'm sure you can see, the thread title has been changed to Ask an Atheist. People who have a question to ask of the atheists who populate this thread - more than the christians do - should feel free to ask questions of them. If you've still got...

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[Vdubs]

Awesome, I get the progenitor of Catholic grammar and apologetics, the one the only…
Welcome Vdubs.
Lets play.
You’re entire premise resides on the fact that “man” with aide of the creator, made a mistake because rib girl ate fruit!
Please explain?

My entire premise rests on the saving Grace of having received Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour of my life.
That is all.
You pick that apart to your heart's content.
GRACE , by the way, is God's Riches At Christ's Expense.

 

[carltonchelsea]

I'm not arguing about a common ancestry. I'm arguing against it being by chance.

Non random mate, it’s self explanatory, just like your mum is the product of her mum, you trog!

 

[sdfc]

Non random mate, it’s self explanatory, just like your mum is the product of her mum, you trog!

I don't know about you but my parents and I are the same species.

 

[carltonchelsea]

My entire premise rests on the saving Grace of having received Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour of my life.
That is all.
You pick that apart to your heart's content.
GRACE , by the way, is God's Riches At Christ's Expense.

Can you provide some examples of this Yeshua Yahweh intervention?
easy question?

 

[carltonchelsea]

I don't know about you but my parents and I are the same species.

I’d happily question that!

 

[carltonchelsea]

I don't know about you but my parents and I are the same species.

Which species, name it?

 

[Roylion]

Can you explain why the maths prohibit it?

It doesn't.

The basic ingredients of evolution are simple, empirical facts. Genes really do mutate, sometimes leading to new functionalities, and natural selection really can string together several such mutations into directional, evolutionary change. On a small scale, this has all been demonstrated and observed.

Anti-evolutionists and ID proponents such as William Dembski for the past fifteen years or so have sought to cast doubt on evolution by the provision of various mathematical arguments involving probability, or indeed more lately, the branch of mathematics known as 'combinatorial search'. Both have far more to do with ID propaganda than with serious scientific argument. Mathematics is unique in its ability to bamboozle a lay audience, making it well suited to the purposes of ID proponents.

Many of these ID proponents fail to consider the role of natural selection in evolution. Natural selection is a non-random process, and this fundamentally affects the probability of evolving a particular gene. Any anti-evolutionist argument based on probability can simply be dismissed out of hand.

If evolution can produce small changes over short time periods (which it can as we know from direct observation and demonstration), no abstract mathematical principle (as argued by ID / creationist proponents) is going to rule out larger changes over longer time periods where the process is simply repeated millions of times to produce large change.

 

[Vdubs]

Can you provide some examples of this Yeshua Yahweh intervention?
easy question?

Testimonies of those whose lives have been irrevocably affected by Christ are inspirational and personal, but I doubt this is what you are seeking.

 

[carltonchelsea]

My entire premise rests on the saving Grace of having received Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour of my life.
That is all.
You pick that apart to your heart's content.
GRACE , by the way, is God's Riches At Christ's Expense.

Can you provide me with evidence of such an occurrence?

 

[Vdubs]

Can you provide me with evidence of such an occurrence?

yes

 

[carltonchelsea]

Testimonies of those whose lives have been irrevocably affected by Christ are inspirational and personal, but I doubt this is what you are seeking.

Anecdotal evidence is pointless, what else ya got?

 

[Vdubs]

Anecdotal evidence is pointless, what else ya got?

That is it. I would not be here without it.

 

[sdfc]

It doesn't.

The basic ingredients of evolution are simple, empirical facts. Genes really do mutate, sometimes leading to new functionalities, and natural selection really can string together several such mutations into directional, evolutionary change. On a small scale, this has all been demonstrated and observed.

Anti-evolutionists and ID proponents such as William Dembski for the past fifteen years or so have sought to cast doubt on evolution by the provision of various mathematical arguments involving probability, or indeed more lately, the branch of mathematics known as 'combinatorial search'. Both have far more to do with ID propaganda than with serious scientific argument. Mathematics is unique in its ability to bamboozle a lay audience, making it well suited to the purposes of ID proponents.

Many of these ID proponents fail to consider the role of natural selection in evolution. Natural selection is a non-random process, and this fundamentally affects the probability of evolving a particular gene. Any anti-evolutionist argument based on probability can simply be dismissed out of hand.

If evolution can produce small changes over short time periods (which it can as we know from direct observation and demonstration), no abstract mathematical principle (as argued by ID / creationist proponents) is going to rule out larger changes over longer time periods where the process is simply repeated millions of times to produce large change.

The proteins have to evolve before they naturally select. Which is where the maths problems come in. You're putting the cart before the horse.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

It’s math, not maths, you incredible imbecile.

In Australian English it's "maths".

Arrogance founded on ignorance is not a good look mate.

 

[carltonchelsea]

Testimonies of those whose lives have been irrevocably affected by Christ are inspirational and personal, but I doubt this is what you are seeking.

Anecdote, what else ya got?

 

[carltonchelsea]

In Australian English it's "maths".

Arrogance founded on ignorance is not a good look mate.

How is the discovery of numbers a grammatica and linguistic
error?

It’s math not maths ya complete nuffies!
Shut up’

 

[carltonchelsea]

In Australian English it's "maths".

Arrogance founded on ignorance is not a good look mate.

Australian English is it?

 

[sdfc]

Australian English is it?

You should really stop now.

 

[western royboy]

This book is astonishing and horrifying and almost surreal in some of the despicable behaviour it reveals, but on the strength of the work of the dogged, heroic campaigners found in this book, there is reason to believe that the Anglican Church is slowly changing its ways.

But FMD they have a lot to atone for. That they would presume to lecture anyone on morality is mind boggling.

Crimes of the Cross by Anne Manne

A searing expose of institutional child abuse, and the remarkable story of the survivors who would not be silenced

www.blackincbooks.com.au

Optics only - they never change

 

[carltonchelsea]

You should really stop now.

I asked you a very specific question,

You should really stop now.

The only reason you exist is because your grandmother rooted a bloke, that rooted another bloke and ejaculated in an another wonan.
Without that, you don’t exist, you utter moron!
You are the slow progressive means iof genetics and DNA, by way of non random mutation.


You are not special!
You are an ape species!
We are pretty ****ing cool!

 

[GrayRanga]

200 amino acids from a pool of 20 types to be arranged in a specific order to make a viable protein that will produce a new body type. There are 20^200 possible combinations compared to a relatively small pool of arrangements that will construct viable proteins. The probability is so low as to be near zero and it has to keep happening.

If you're curious you will do your own research.

It's very accessible.

In other words, you cannot defend your assertion

People that truly understand something can express it in simple concepts that their audience can understand

You can't do it.

"Do your own research" is the catchphrase of a charlatan