Win Prizes Ask an Atheist II

[Gethelred]

Welcome to the Ask an Atheist thread II.

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Win Prizes - Ask an Atheist - Shoe's on the other foot now!

Alright, we're going to have a change of tack. As I'm sure you can see, the thread title has been changed to Ask an Atheist. People who have a question to ask of the atheists who populate this thread - more than the christians do - should feel free to ask questions of them. If you've still got...

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[Total Power]

See above

Most people believe in a god, therefore there is a god.

VD , you simply can't be that stupid, i refuse to believe that you are that dumb. The websites you quoted, i lost 3 minutes of my life (which i will never get back), reading those.

 

[Vdubs]

Without the existence of a God people wouldn't have any reason to live or be good, therefore there has to be a God. Most people believe in a God, therefore there is a God.


I mean seriously???? i should start by raping and killing straight away!

Embarrassing effort, VD, your worst till now.

Incorrect- I was asked by your A-Theist colleague about what would it take to utterly disprove God, where I had asked him to do so, and of course, he couldn't, so in true form, he put it back to me. THIS IS ASK AN ATHEIST, after all.... I could not care about any 10 proofs at all, yet they are written about, indeed from the Islamic perspective as well, which is a good read.

 

[Total Power]

Incorrect- I was asked by your A-Theist colleague about what would it take to utterly disprove God, where I had asked him to do so, and of course, he couldn't, so in true form, he put it back to me. THIS IS ASK AN ATHEIST, after all.... I could not care about any 10 proofs at all, yet they are written about, indeed from the Islamic perspective as well, which is a good read.

Yeah the islamic perspective talks about Moses/mohammed being such a noble person.

Do you want me to tell you the list of things this Noble person(s) approved of?

As i said, surely you can't be this dumb.

 

[Vdubs]

These are embarrassing and all presuppositional.
Not one of those premises lead to the conclusion “there is a god”.

Very good, so can you satisfactorily disprove beyond doubt that God exists, that God created all things, that we were meant to have a relationship with God?
Of course you can't, so while that doubt will exist for eternity, there will always be a proportion of humanity who will defer to the possibility that God is real.

 

[Vdubs]

Yeah the islamic perspective talks about Moses/mohammed being such a noble person.

Do you want me to tell you the list of things this Noble person(s) approved of?

As i said, surely you can't be this dumb.

you've said that so often, of course you believe that, and maybe I am, maybe you're arguing with a simpleton.

 

[Vdubs]

Most people believe in a god, therefore there is a god.

VD , you simply can't be that stupid, i refuse to believe that you are that dumb. The websites you quoted, i lost 3 minutes of my life (which i will never get back), reading those.

The Islamic perspective takes a lot longer than 3 minutes

 

[Total Power]

you've said that so often, of course you believe that, and maybe I am, maybe you're arguing with a simpleton.

There's plenty of studies online about this. Religion holds back intelligence, when that part of the brain is lit, the other half becomes dysfunctional.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Very good, so can you satisfactorily prove beyond doubt that God exists, that God created all things, that we were meant to have a relationship with God?
Of course you can't, so while that doubt will exist for eternity, there will always be a proportion of humanity who will defer to the possibility that God is real.

Not sure if 'defer' is the correct term when it involves indoctrination.

 

[Total Power]

The Islamic perspective takes a lot longer than 3 minutes

After reading the 2nd link , do i dare wanna read the first one? i did glance through it btw, it talks about Moses and Mohammed being the 2 most noble people on earth.

Really...i mean do you want me to list you how noble they were?

 

[Vdubs]

Not sure if 'defer' is the correct term when it involves indoctrination.

CS Lewis was certainly not indoctrinated. Had no religious upbringing. Endured enough hardships to want there not to be a God. Yet was drawn to Theism, and eventually Christianity by his own reading and analyses of life, and by Tolkien.
Although highly influential, he is not Robinson Crusoe in this regard.

 

[peetoo]

God is actually a legal construct. That’s undeniable

 

[Ghost Patrol]

CS Lewis was certainly not indoctrinated. Had no religious upbringing. Endured enough hardships to want there not to be a God. Yet was drawn to Theism, and eventually Christianity by his own reading and analyses of life.
Although highly influential, he is not Robinson Crusoe in this regard.

Best known for his fictional pieces.

 

[Total Power]

CS Lewis was certainly not indoctrinated. Had no religious upbringing. Endured enough hardships to want there not to be a God. Yet was drawn to Theism, and eventually Christianity by his own reading and analyses of life.
Although highly influential, he is not Robinson Crusoe in this regard.

C.S is not the best example. His writings are very underwhelming. He claims that at the end of the day, morality is the same in all cultures throughout history (because our god). This is astonishing indeed. It's astonishing that anybody could possibly be this utterly and completely and mind-blowingly ignorant

 

[Vdubs]

Best known for his fictional pieces.

Very superficial comment. Best known for Mere Christianity and The Chronicles of Narnia. The latter is highly illustrative of God at work.

 

[Vdubs]

C.S is not the best example. His writings are very underwhelming. He claims that at the end of the day, morality is the same in all cultures throughout history (because our god). This is astonishing indeed. It's astonishing that anybody could possibly be this utterly and completely and mind-blowingly ignorant

That is certainly not his end of the day claim.
His writings are not underwhelming for most if us mortals, but I would not expect you to be enamoured by them.

 

[Total Power]

That is certainly not his end of the day claim.

From wiki: C.S. Lewis believed that while the expression of morality varies across cultures, the fundamental principles of morality are universal and objective. He argued that people have an essential agreement on values across cultures, such as the value of life, truth-telling, and lying.

 

[Vdubs]

From wiki: C.S. Lewis believed that while the expression of morality varies across cultures, the fundamental principles of morality are universal and objective. He argued that people have an essential agreement on values across cultures, such as the value of life, truth-telling, and lying.

And?
That is not how you worded it before.

 

[Vdubs]

From wiki: C.S. Lewis believed that while the expression of morality varies across cultures, the fundamental principles of morality are universal and objective. He argued that people have an essential agreement on values across cultures, such as the value of life, truth-telling, and lying.

JFI, asking the atheist here, how many of his writings have you fully read?

 

[carltonchelsea]

Very good, so can you satisfactorily prove beyond doubt that God exists, that God created all things, that we were meant to have a relationship with God?
Of course you can't, so while that doubt will exist for eternity, there will always be a proportion of humanity who will defer to the possibility that God is real.

What?
A-Theist? I’m assuming you were referring to me here.
That’s embarrassing, I read it in WLC’s idiotic voice!
I’m an anti theist.
Your ten arguments are stupid.
Each can simply be countered with, why insert a god or your god of choice after the initial premise, you have to presuppose the god hypothesis before each premise to conclude a god is possible.
All this does is make everything infinitely more complicated and ridiculous due to its unfalsifiability.
We don’t know if the universe came into existence before it expanded.
We understand that there is a mysterious phenomenon that keeps our universe held together and makes it expand beyond the speed of light.
Inserting Yahweh into this enquiry does what exactly?
Insert this as the answer for all those questions, what does inserting Yahweh into the equation do, how does it help?

 

[Total Power]

And?
That is not how you worded it before.

1. There's no objective morality. Muslims are ok with child marriage, that's in their culture.
2. Morality doesn't come from a book (orelse how did morality exist before Christianity or animals have morality?)

 

[Total Power]

JFI, asking the atheist here, how many of his writings have you fully read?

Mere Christianity, screwtape ...2 were enough. Don't wish to read more

 

[Vdubs]

What?
A-Theist? I’m assuming you were referring to me here.
That’s embarrassing, I read it in WLC’s idiotic voice!
I’m an anti theist.
Your ten arguments are stupid.
Each can simply be countered with, why insert a god or your god of choice after the initial premise, you have to presuppose the god hypothesis before each premise to conclude a god is possible.
All this does is make everything infinitely more complicated and ridiculous due to its unfalsifiability.
We don’t know if the universe came into existence before it expanded.
We understand that there is a mysterious phenomenon that keeps our universe held together and makes it expand beyond the speed of light.
Inserting Yahweh into this enquiry does what exactly?
Insert this as the answer for all those questions, what does inserting Yahweh into the equation do, how does it help?

A- Theism
A refers to without, like asexual, amoral,
So you call yourself antitheist.
Not many here do, but possibly many would agree with you for their own personaL reasons
Btw, they are far from my 10 reasons, but I was trying to get you and colleagues to show me the indisputable evidence that God cannot exist, that there can be no Creator God, knowing this is impossible, but "we are getting closer all the time".
It should not be put on me what evidence I need to be convinced-

 

[Total Power]

And?
That is not how you worded it before.

I exactly said what he meant. Objective and universal moralities don't exist. Aztecs practiced human sacrifice. Muslims practice polygamy, Majority of the indians favor the caste system etc etc.

The world sucks sometimes. Therefore my god exists is his argument.. Not one ****ing hint of logic in this entire god forsaken part of his rambling

 

[liz]

Mere Christianity, screwtape ...2 were enough. Don't wish to read more

Although not widely considered to be the best in the series, I’ve always had a fondness for The Magician’s Nephew.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Very superficial comment. Best known for Mere Christianity and The Chronicles of Narnia. The latter is highly illustrative of God at work.

It's illustrative of how people can get lost in something that isn't real.