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THTC, I have one question in regards to the send off rule in the senior grade, the past rule stated that a player must be reported in order to send them off in the seniors, a problem that has occurred was umpires were sending players off to cool down then reporting them.
This year the rule was changed so that unnessesary reports were not made, and that umpires could send players off to cool down when tempers flare, I cant comment on the Wallan game last week, but from all reports, players sent off were for mouthing off or argueing. A Cool down for mouthing off, it doesn't sound right to me.

What are Umpire instructions in regards to Sending off senior players?
 
blues12 said:
THTC, I have one question in regards to the send off rule in the senior grade, the past rule stated that a player must be reported in order to send them off in the seniors, a problem that has occurred was umpires were sending players off to cool down then reporting them.
This year the rule was changed so that unnessesary reports were not made, and that umpires could send players off to cool down when tempers flare, I cant comment on the Wallan game last week, but from all reports, players sent off were for mouthing off or argueing. A Cool down for mouthing off, it doesn't sound right to me.

What are Umpire instructions in regards to Sending off senior players?
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Seems right to me.. If you are going to be abusive, take a seat for 15 minutes...
 
I think that the yellow card send of rule has got out of hand. At the start of the year at the advocates meeting it was implied that it was going to be used for player who have become a bit upset and needs to spend some time on the bench to cool down. That was fine and I can understand that it is needed at times. But I can tell you that this rule has lost it meaning now all a player has to do is reply to an umpire and he is sent off
The umpire talks to the player the player replies and he is sent off
We will tell our player to have no communication with the umpires at all this way the problem should be resolved. But I don't think this is how this rule was intended to be used it is shame it has to be this way

The penalty for the send off rule is to severe, if a player has any communication with the umpires and he is sent off, unless he has been reported the teams should be allowed to replace him. If he has received a yellow card and been reported then the 15 mins should apply.

Umpires can send off 4 players in 5 mins, the team has to play with 14 players. At the end of the game the umpires doesn’t report anyone, he doesn’t have to go to the tribunal so it is no skin of his nose at all.
 

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vobloke said:
I think that the yellow card send of rule has got out of hand. At the start of the year at the advocates meeting it was implied that it was going to be used for player who have become a bit upset and needs to spend some time on the bench to cool down. That was fine and I can understand that it is needed at times. But I can tell you that this rule has lost it meaning now all a player has to do is reply to an umpire and he is sent off
The umpire talks to the player the player replies and he is sent off
We will tell our player to have no communication with the umpires at all this way the problem should be resolved. But I don't think this is how this rule was intended to be used it is shame it has to be this way

The penalty for the send off rule is to severe, if a player has any communication with the umpires and he is sent off, unless he has been reported the teams should be allowed to replace him. If he has received a yellow card and been reported then the 15 mins should apply.

Umpires can send off 4 players in 5 mins, the team has to play with 14 players. At the end of the game the umpires doesn’t report anyone, he doesn’t have to go to the tribunal so it is no skin of his nose at all.
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Vobloke, how did your player go at the tribunal? What was he charged with?
 
blues12 said:
THTC, I have one question in regards to the send off rule in the senior grade, the past rule stated that a player must be reported in order to send them off in the seniors, a problem that has occurred was umpires were sending players off to cool down then reporting them.
This year the rule was changed so that unnessesary reports were not made, and that umpires could send players off to cool down when tempers flare, I cant comment on the Wallan game last week, but from all reports, players sent off were for mouthing off or argueing. A Cool down for mouthing off, it doesn't sound right to me.

What are Umpire instructions in regards to Sending off senior players?
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What you have stated is correct. This year they (the RDFL) have changed the rule so that we can now send off for a cool off in the seniors, the same as reserves and under 18's. It has given us the choice of whether it is serious enough to report or whether to just send off for a cool down. Mouthing off once would not probably warrant a send off, but if I had warned a player and they did not get the message to stop disputing decisions then yes, that would warrant a send off and possibly a report. If a player abused an umpire then the rule has not changed from last year, the player should be sent from the ground for a cool off and be reported for abusive language towards an umpire/disputing a decision/audible language. Which ever one the umpire believes best suits the offence. Of course all of us umpires are different and some umpires will accept/put up with more shit than others. In an ideal world we would be robots and we would all umpire exactly the same each week, but we are human and clubs/players just need to adjust each time they get a different umpire.
 
vobloke said:
I think that the yellow card send of rule has got out of hand. At the start of the year at the advocates meeting it was implied that it was going to be used for player who have become a bit upset and needs to spend some time on the bench to cool down. That was fine and I can understand that it is needed at times. But I can tell you that this rule has lost it meaning now all a player has to do is reply to an umpire and he is sent off
The umpire talks to the player the player replies and he is sent off
We will tell our player to have no communication with the umpires at all this way the problem should be resolved. But I don't think this is how this rule was intended to be used it is shame it has to be this way

The penalty for the send off rule is to severe, if a player has any communication with the umpires and he is sent off, unless he has been reported the teams should be allowed to replace him. If he has received a yellow card and been reported then the 15 mins should apply.

Umpires can send off 4 players in 5 mins, the team has to play with 14 players. At the end of the game the umpires doesn’t report anyone, he doesn’t have to go to the tribunal so it is no skin of his nose at all.
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What you say makes sense. I think the whole idea is to get that player from the ground so he can cool down. Should the team be penalised? It is a team game and I suppose if a player knows his team is going to be penalised if he does the wrong thing then he is less likely to do the wrong thing. I think the VAFA has the rule that you are suggesting and it seems to work fine. Unfourtanetly the umpires just enforce the rules that they are given, we don't make them we just enforce them.
 
just wondering is there any laws re umpires baiting and slagging off players duing a match.recently saw one clapping and smiling at a player he had sent from the ground trying to lure him into doing something stupid.
 
evil dwarf said:
just wondering is there any laws re umpires baiting and slagging off players duing a match.recently saw one clapping and smiling at a player he had sent from the ground trying to lure him into doing something stupid.
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There is no rule as such, but it would be disappointing if it happened. I know that the umpires hierachy would take action against the umpire if they found that what you are saying occurred.
 
Baldingeagle said:
There is no rule as such, but it would be disappointing if it happened. I know that the umpires hierachy would take action against the umpire if they found that what you are saying occurred.
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What is happening down in umpire land this season? We hear about clubs, but I'm sure that with an extra game every weekend this season, numbers and resources must be streched. I heard at the grand final last year that in addition to Stevie G moving on, two of the three senior GF umpires have done the same. Rumour or fact? Are there any new men/women added to the panel this season? Eagle and THTC- any info at this stage of the year?
 
Mongrel said:
is there a set penalty for calling an umpire a cheat?
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Yeah it is called a Red Card along with a report and a tribunal hearing which will cost you a long holiday.....

If you go calling an umpire a cheat you lose all credibility from your club and from every other supporter in your community. It is the lowest form you can go.
 
Aker Magic said:
What is happening down in umpire land this season? We hear about clubs, but I'm sure that with an extra game every weekend this season, numbers and resources must be streched. I heard at the grand final last year that in addition to Stevie G moving on, two of the three senior GF umpires have done the same. Rumour or fact? Are there any new men/women added to the panel this season? Eagle and THTC- any info at this stage of the year?
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One of the senior GF umpires has moved on, not sure about another as training has not started yet and the other is staying. Brain Collins from Macedon is our new coach. With the extra side we will definitely struggle for numbers this year. We may get a few more umpires but our depth is where we really struggle. Most of our umpires are older and break down more and also retire. We start training on the first Wednesday in March at Macpherson Park main oval at 6.15pm for anyone interested.
 
To_Hard_To_Cheat said:
One of the senior GF umpires has moved on, not sure about another as training has not started yet and the other is staying. Brain Collins from Macedon is our new coach. With the extra side we will definitely struggle for numbers this year. We may get a few more umpires but our depth is where we really struggle. Most of our umpires are older and break down more and also retire. We start training on the first Wednesday in March at Macpherson Park main oval at 6.15pm for anyone interested.
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Speaking of older and breaking down, what about the umpire who went off after quarter time in the seconds GF? He was umpiring when I was playing ion the league in the 90's, so I'd imagine he would be closer to pulling the plug than not. The two other guys did ok considering the heat that day.
 
now i will try to make this understandable.
we have recently had holding the ball explaned, how about in this instance.
a player receives the ball and with no prior op he is tackled. ball spills out in tackle (as i understand so far it is play on). however the player being tackled sees the ball coming out and connects with a fist.
i seen this twice on the weekend called a one handed handpass.
neither player released the footy deliberately it came out in tackle.
 

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If during the tackle, the act of tackling itself knocks the ball out, then it should be play on.

As I mentioned in the main thread however, this happens so quickly that it different umpires will struggle with finding consistency. It is one of the quirks of the game that two people can look at the same incident and come to two different conclusions.
 
Could somebody please tell ALL field umpires in ALL grades that it has now been 3 years that the new kick in rule has been in the RDFL, we do not need to wait for the flags to be waived. I have seen this happen 3 times now in the reserves grade.
 
Eddie,

In my experience, I have not seen a lot of cases where the Field Umpire overrules the goalie. In junior football where parents are normally the ones doing the goals, I have done it on occassion (rarely) as I believed that I was in a better position to make the call, and may have had a question over the independance of the Goal Umpire in question.

At the end of the day however, all everyone wants is the correct decision, and the rules state that the Field Umpire has the sole control over the game. He may be assisted by the Boundaries and the Goal Umpires, but the final responsibility of the game rests with the Field Umpires.
 
I personally dont agree with the field umpire gettign involved in too many incidents that concern boundary or goal umpire at the more elite level i.e. VFL, AFL.

I dont see how the field umpire can overule these from 50m away. but at junior footy ive seen some disgraceful parents officiating who believ they can get away with anything, if the put on the butchers coat and wave the white flags.
 
i would just like to throw some positive vibes out there and say that the umpires who umpired the gisborne 16c game v sunbury at gardiner res did a really good job. they didnt get everything but they did a bloody good job. so if you are reading this boys, well done and thanks.
 
cousins32 said:
i would just like to throw some positive vibes out there and say that the umpires who umpired the gisborne 16c game v sunbury at gardiner res did a really good job. they didnt get everything but they did a bloody good job. so if you are reading this boys, well done and thanks.
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Thanks for that - I will pass it onto the Junior advisor so that it is passed on to the relevant umpires.
 

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