Asylum Seekers

[Billy Hunt]

I don't post under aliases.
Call me a racist if you must, but please don't give me that "It wont happen here" shit.

 

[East Freo]

Agreed.

But it goes deeper than that that. This whole " let them wait in a refugee camp in their own country" is unadulterated horse shit.

Try being a Hazarra, (the major immigrant tribe entering here), in Pashtun dominated Afghanistan, and try just getting to a refugee camp, without getting murdered.

Even if they do get to the relative safety of a UN refugee camp, they are under constant threat of death, rape and extorsion for years and years on end. Let alone the disease risk and the complete social upheaval and isolation.

What right minded person would take that option if there was a viable, abeit risky, alternative? Which choice would the "burn the boats" morons take if faced with this dilemma?

Spare me, they let cretins like this breed?? F***ing mouthbreathing oxygen thieves.

Australias credibilty as a caring and compassionate nation dies a little every time that this hysterical crap is publicised.

The locals and blow ins who acted so disgracefully in Northam last night should all hang your bloody head in shame.

Can't agree anymore.
If these same people who want to " blow the boats up " were put in their same position they would do all that they could to come to a country that can offfer safety to bring their families up.
These red necks for want of a better word should be made to go see some of these camps to realise the horrors of what goes on.
As said previously it is a small fraction of the people who come illegally by plane.
Most of it is media driven for ratings i reckon.
I can remember the hysteria of the 80's with all the Vietnamese coming here & look & what a great contribution they have made to our society.
Ditto the Italians after the war & the 10 pound poms.

People should just realise that being nice to each other is a lot less effort that being not nice.

These people will work their back bones off to contribute to their families welfare & from that the general community benefits.
Look around you...most of these people are doing the lowest paid jobs that most Aussies wont even sniff their nose at but rather winge about them taking their jobs all the while sitting on the dole.

 

[The Exorcist]

When shit hits the fan, I hope all the do gooders are pleased with themselves.

What sh*t?

Which fan?

Never had any harm done to me by an asylum seeker.

I'd helped my next door neighbour out if they had a problem, don't see why that would change simply because of where someone comes from

 

[Al Quaeda]

When shit hits the fan, I hope all the do gooders are pleased with themselves.

What shit Billy?

As has been mentioned before in here, by me and others. We quickly forget the similar hysteria that took place with the Vietnamese boat people.

Italians and Greeks weren't labelled wogs, dings and dago's because white Australia took kindly to them initially.

People from The Balkans were similarly labelled and derided on their arrival.

Shit, we even chased the Chinese out of the Goldfields in the 1800's because of our inbred xenophia and insular shortcomings.

I guarantee you that in 10/15 years you will eat and enjoy some weird arse Afghan dish at an "Illegal Immigrant" owned restaurant and look back wondering what all the fuss is about.

Too many people get caught up in the media driven hysteria, instead of taking the time to realise that these are real men, women and children who desperately need our help.

That's not being a do-gooder, it is simply showing some common decency to our fellow man.

 

[Scotland]

I do love a good immigration thread.

Typically a right winger will say something outrageous, which will be countered by a naive response from a left winger and the original argument is ostensibly defeated.

Example: All asylum seekers are queue jumping terrorists and will blow up our children if we let them in.

Example response: All immigrants are people who make a positive contribution to society and it's only a few thousand a year. You're racist.

I've said it before but immigration is a numbers game. It poses a number of risks to Australia and if you ignore the hyperbole and hysteria the only way you can discuss the issue intelligently is to look at it from a rational point of view. Australia will barely notice a ripple if we accept 1,000 asylum seekers a year. Australia will be totally ****ed if we accept 20,000,000 people a year, white, black or otherwise. The reality is varying degrees of effect on the nation on the scale in between.

 

[Billy Hunt]

When the Vietnamese, Italians and Greeks arrived in Australia, they didn't ask or want any special treatment based on culture and religion. They didn't segregate their children from main stream Australia. Try sending a 12 year old catholic girl to a muslim school without a hijab, but a catholic school will accept anyone, from any back ground or religion.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...sie-muslim-women/story-e6frg6zo-1225843990296

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/11/02/3055378.htm?section=business

 

[Al Quaeda]

I do love a good immigration thread.

Typically a right winger will say something outrageous, which will be countered by a naive response from a left winger and the original argument is ostensibly defeated.

Example: All asylum seekers are queue jumping terrorists and will blow up our children if we let them in.

Add to that fact that they will all slit your throat, rape your wife, molest your children, root your dog and take yer jerb!!!

They are all terrorists dammit!!

Example response: All immigrants are people who make a positive contribution to society and it's only a few thousand a year. You're racist.

I am yet to see this in this thread, and it would surpise me if I did.

Only those possessing extreme naivety would claim that every single accepted immigrant will make a positive impact.

There will be the usual amount of miscreants that will not be model citizens. However, we let the great unwashed Tracey Grimshaw fans breed unchecked, so who are we to complain.

I've said it before but immigration is a numbers game. It poses a number of risks to Australia and if you ignore the hyperbole and hysteria the only way you can discuss the issue intelligently is to look at it from a rational point of view. Australia will barely notice a ripple if we accept 1,000 asylum seekers a year. Australia will be totally ****ed if we accept 20,000,000 people a year, white, black or otherwise. The reality is varying degrees of effect on the nation on the scale in between.

Fair call. Immigration numbers should be based on economic factors which include, but are not exclusive to, skills upgrading, employment rationale and human compassion.

Very few "do -gooders", ( silly bloody term), would argue for an open door policy that was clearly to the detriment of the country as a whole.

 

[Al Quaeda]

When the Vietnamese, Italians and Greeks arrived in Australia, they didn't ask or want any special treatment based on culture and religion. They didn't segregate their children from main stream Australia. Try sending a 12 year old catholic girl to a muslim school without a hijab, but a catholic school will accept anyone, from any back ground or religion.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...sie-muslim-women/story-e6frg6zo-1225843990296

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/11/02/3055378.htm?section=business

Hang on Billy.

So this is a Muslim issue for you and not an "Illegal Immigrant" issue.

So if the boats were filled with queue jumping Poms, Safa's and Paddy's it would be OK.



The Vietnamese asked for, and received, funding for Buddhist Temple construction. Are you a Buddhist?

Their children were segregated by the Federal government in Darwin for education and, even though they have "assimilated" to a certain extent, the Vietnamese are still very staunch in their culture and tradition.

I should know, I am marrying one in January.

The Italians and the Greeks are the same.

Are you going to claim that every Italian is Sicilian and related to Michael Corleone? Are they all card carrying members of The Mob??

Are all Greeks Kebeb shop owners with big moustaches and hairy wives, (hmm).

The point is that all 3 groups of people that you mention could, and are, generalised by the ignorant.

But all 3 make a fantastic contribution to our society whilst still retaining their cultural identity.

But Muslims will cop this crap even more so, because of their dress habits.

Just because they wish to retain an aspect of their culture, which you find offensive, in a school environment, does not make them bad people per se.

They are not all plotting to kill us behind that thin layer of material. They are simply following a religious tradition.

F*** me, this country was just about held to ransom a few weeks ago because the Catholics demanded that we recognise some old nun who "apparently" performed miracles.

I didn't like it much, but I am not going to ostracise all of my "mick" mates because of old Mary.

 

[Billy Hunt]

A MUSLIM school in Perth has been raided by police and shut down by WA Education Minister Mark McGowan. The school's head faces a stealing charge.
Mr McGowan said he had taken the extraordinary step of closing Muslim Ladies' College in Kenwick because of allegations, including fraud and the use of unregistered teachers who were focusing mainly on religion, rather than the WA curriculum.
http://www.news.com.au/perth-muslim-school-raided-and-shut-down/story-e6frfkp9-1111115068171

 

[Billy Hunt]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...xt-years-ramadan/story-e6frf7kx-1225924291675


UPDATE 12.35pm: A PLAN to force families to cover up to avoid offending Muslims at a public event has triggered furious debate.
An overwhelming 94 per cent of heraldsun.com.au readers disagree with the legal ruling approving the contentious ban during next year's Ramadan.

So far the Premier John Brumby has refused to weigh into the debate about the event, saying he will wait to see the VCAT ruling before making any comment.

VCAT has approved a ban on uncovered shoulders and thighs for a community event to be held at the Dandenong Oasis, a municipal pool.

"Participants aged 10 and over must ensure their bodies are covered from waist to knee and the entire torso extending to the upper arms," a request by Dandenong City Council and the YMCA states in an exemption application to the Equal Opportunities Act.

 

[Billy Hunt]

So if the boats were filled with queue jumping Poms, Safa's and Paddy's it would be OK.

The Vietnamese asked for, and received, funding for Buddhist Temple construction. Are you a Buddhist?

YES and YES

 

[Echo Bravo]

My view is that the asylum seekers who make the trips on boat are more resourceful (they worked out a better solution than sitting in a refugee camp for 10 years), wealthier (they had sufficient funds to pay their way) and smarter (get to Australia as quickly as possible - the sooner they get to start life in the Lucky Country). These are the people we WANT in Australia.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...tiger-terrorists/story-fn59niix-1225905600592

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...e-ties-to-tigers/story-e6frg6nf-1225891388934

So you want these type of people in Australia?

 

[Al Quaeda]

A MUSLIM school in Perth has been raided by police and shut down by WA Education Minister Mark McGowan. The school's head faces a stealing charge.
Mr McGowan said he had taken the extraordinary step of closing Muslim Ladies' College in Kenwick because of allegations, including fraud and the use of unregistered teachers who were focusing mainly on religion, rather than the WA curriculum.
http://www.news.com.au/perth-muslim-school-raided-and-shut-down/story-e6frfkp9-1111115068171

My daughter attended the Meekatharra School of the Air up until 2008. I challenge you to find a more redneck based school community anywhere.

Long story short. The Headmaster was fiddling the books and got caught out by an auditor.

So he did the noble thing and attacked the auditor with a claw hammer.

I can find the article if you want.

Whilst I'm doing that, I will try and figure out if you actually have a point.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...xt-years-ramadan/story-e6frf7kx-1225924291675


UPDATE 12.35pm: A PLAN to force families to cover up to avoid offending Muslims at a public event has triggered furious debate.
An overwhelming 94 per cent of heraldsun.com.au readers disagree with the legal ruling approving the contentious ban during next year's Ramadan.

So far the Premier John Brumby has refused to weigh into the debate about the event, saying he will wait to see the VCAT ruling before making any comment.

VCAT has approved a ban on uncovered shoulders and thighs for a community event to be held at the Dandenong Oasis, a municipal pool.

"Participants aged 10 and over must ensure their bodies are covered from waist to knee and the entire torso extending to the upper arms," a request by Dandenong City Council and the YMCA states in an exemption application to the Equal Opportunities Act.

94% of Herald Sun readers, huh.

That bastion of open mindedness and free thinking.

Who would have guessed?

Seriously Billy, do you really believe that this represents an argument??

If you don't like it, then don't send your kids there.

YES and YES

You're a Buddhist??

 

[Al Quaeda]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...tiger-terrorists/story-fn59niix-1225905600592

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...e-ties-to-tigers/story-e6frg6nf-1225891388934

So you want these type of people in Australia?

Yep. Them Tamils really rounded up the Sri Lankan Army onto a small peninsula and massacred the shit out of them huh??



Refused their surrender and kept on bombing and shooting.

Seriously, do you have one single idea on the Tamil/Sri Lankan situation??

Are you aware of the current situation of Tamils in "Refugee" camps in Sri Lanka??

Fair dinkum. Just because a soverign government labels a resistance group as a terrorist organisation, doesn't necessarily make it so!!

 

[Echo Bravo]

Yep. Them Tamils really rounded up the Sri Lankan Army onto a small peninsula and massacred the shit out of them huh??



Refused their surrender and kept on bombing and shooting.

Seriously, do you have one single idea on the Tamil/Sri Lankan situation??

Are you aware of the current situation of Tamils in "Refugee" camps in Sri Lanka??

Fair dinkum. Just because a soverign government labels a resistance group as a terrorist organisation, doesn't necessarily make it so!!

When this 'resistance group' practically invented suicide bombing and has no qualms about killing civilians, yes they're a terrorist group.

 

[Al Quaeda]

When this 'resistance group' practically invented suicide bombing and has no qualms about killing civilians, yes they're a terrorist group.

Of course, their treatment at the hands of a soveriegn government had nothing at all to do with their desperation. This is just a normal evolutionary event for "darkies and ragheads".

F***en spare me.

Way to only look at one side of the argument there matey.

Now why are those other groups, in other countries, blowing themselves up again??

Oh yeah........because we treated them so well initially.

 

[Echo Bravo]

Of course, their treatment at the hands of a soveriegn government had nothing at all to do with their desperation. This is just a normal evolutionary event for "darkies and ragheads".

F***en spare me.

Where did I say or imply this? Show me. Or is this just the 'you're a racist!' arguement?

Way to only look at one side of the argument there matey.

So you're justifying things like the Kattankudy mosque attack, Dehiwala train bombing, use of child soldiers, etc because the other side is bad too?

Now why are those other groups, in other countries, blowing themselves up again??

Oh yeah........because we treated them so well initially.

What does this have to do with anything? Grasping at straws aren't we. My point is, people who were involved in this 'resistance organisation' as you call it, people who've murdered civilians and commited ethnic cleansing (how well did the LTTE treat Muslims and Sinhalese in areas under their control) don't deserve to live in this country.

 

[TeamHurley]

Where did I say or imply this? Show me. Or is this just the 'you're a racist!' arguement?



So you're justifying things like the Kattankudy mosque attack, Dehiwala train bombing, use of child soldiers, etc because the other side is bad too?



What does this have to do with anything? Grasping at straws aren't we. My point is, people who were involved in this 'resistance organisation' as you call it, people who've murdered civilians and commited ethnic cleansing (how well did the LTTE treat Muslims and Sinhalese in areas under their control) don't deserve to live in this country.

It was Australian government policy to breed the black out of aboriginals, a form of ethnic cleansing. Does that mean that we don't deserve to live in this country?

 

[Al Quaeda]

Where did I say or imply this? Show me. Or is this just the 'you're a racist!' arguement?

Don't patronise me. I was trying to to highlight your blind-sided misconception about WHY the LTTE was formed and the desperation of the Tamilpeople.

I am not condoning their actions, However I understand that they simply didn't turn into a military force because they enjoyed killing people.

So you're justifying things like the Kattankudy mosque attack, Dehiwala train bombing, use of child soldiers, etc because the other side is bad too?

Oh cut the crap.

Are you somehow justifying the massacre by the Sri Lankan Military of Tamil men, women and children that brought this conflict to an end?

Or are you going to deny it?

Atrocities were commited by both sides. There is no doubting that.

The same can be said for every single conflict in history.

The losers on this occasion are the Tamils and the Sri Lankans want to wipe themoff the face of the earth.

A foot soldier from the LTTE does not equate to a terrorist at all.

And I am damn sure that the Sri Lankan and Australian Governments are exchanging information furiously so that the real "BAD" LTTE guys don't pass screening and are duly deported.

Heaven knows, we must satisfy the blood lust of good people such as yourself.

What does this have to do with anything? Grasping at straws aren't we. My point is, people who were involved in this 'resistance organisation' as you call it, people who've murdered civilians and commited ethnic cleansing (how well did the LTTE treat Muslims and Sinhalese in areas under their control) don't deserve to live in this country.

Seriously. Can your blinkered vision get any more restricted?

 

[Echo Bravo]

It was Australian government policy to breed the black out of aboriginals, a form of ethnic cleansing. Does that mean that we don't deserve to live in this country?

What a poor comparison. Some of these asylum seekers are directly responsible for killing innocent people, with guns and bombs, and you're comparing that to a government policy from decades ago that average Joe Citzen had nothing to do with. Would you let a murderer, who has gone unpunished for their crime, immigrate to Australia? Because that is what's happening.

 

[Al Quaeda]

What a poor comparison. Some of these asylum seekers are directly responsible for killing innocent people, with guns and bombs, and you're comparing that to a government policy from decades ago that average Joe Citzen had nothing to do with. Would you let a murderer, who has gone unpunished for their crime, immigrate to Australia? Because that is what's happening.

What bullshit!!!

 

[Echo Bravo]

Don't patronise me. I was trying to to highlight your blind-sided misconception about WHY the LTTE was formed and the desperation of the Tamilpeople.

I am not condoning their actions, However I understand that they simply didn't turn into a military force because they enjoyed killing people.

But that still doesn't justify what they did, does it?

Oh cut the crap.

Are you somehow justifying the massacre by the Sri Lankan Military of Tamil men, women and children that brought this conflict to an end?

Or are you going to deny it?

Atrocities were commited by both sides. There is no doubting that.

The same can be said for every single conflict in history.

The losers on this occasion are the Tamils and the Sri Lankans want to wipe themoff the face of the earth.

Attrocities where indeed comitted by both sides, and I feel the same way about any person who has committed war crimes coming into Australia. I'm just as against a Sri Lankan soldier who was involved in war crimes coming to Australia as I do about the Tamils.

A foot soldier from the LTTE does not equate to a terrorist at all.

And I am damn sure that the Sri Lankan and Australian Governments are exchanging information furiously so that the real "BAD" LTTE guys don't pass screening and are duly deported.

I hope you're right, but can we be sure. 'BAD' LTTE members could slip through the cracks.

Heaven knows, we must satisfy the blood lust of good people such as yourself.

You're a real champ aren't you?

Seriously. Can your blinkered vision get any more restricted?

Nice rebuttal. Not.

 

[Al Quaeda]

But that still doesn't justify what they did, does it?

Do you understand the correlation between not condoning something and not justifying it??

Attrocities where indeed comitted by both sides, and I feel the same way about any person who has committed war crimes coming into Australia. I'm just as against a Sri Lankan soldier who was involved in war crimes coming to Australia as I do about the Tamils.

I can assure you that no Australian Government will knowingly welcome a known war criminal.

But you are putting the cart before the horse and labelling them all as criminals.

I hope you're right, but can we be sure. 'BAD' LTTE members could slip through the cracks.

So f*** it. Don't let ANY of them in, just in case.

Stunning logic that.

You're a real champ aren't you?

If you are talking about basic compassion, then yes I am.

Nice rebuttal. Not.

There was nothing to rebut as I had covered it earlier in the same post.

Stop being a twat.

 

[Echo Bravo]

I can assure you that no Australian Government will knowingly welcome a known war criminal.

But you are putting the cart before the horse and labelling them all as criminals.

The LTTE organisation, as a whole, was complicit in terrorist attacks and war crimes. Stuff 'em.

So f*** it. Don't let ANY of them in, just in case.

Stunning logic that.

Yep. Don't let any LTTE members in. Sorry.

If you are talking about basic compassion, then yes I am.

I don't have compassion for terrorists and war criminals. If they have no connection with the Tamil Tigers, they can stay. If they do, tough shit.

 

[Al Quaeda]

The LTTE organisation, as a whole, was complicit in terrorist attacks and war crimes. Stuff 'em.

That's the spirit!!

Of course, we will immediately cut all contacts with the Russian Govt who openly massacred the Chechnyans.

Or the Indonesian Government who recently blew away a shit load of East Timorese.

etc, etc, etc.

Of course, Government sponsored attrocities aren't really attrocities at all.

F*** me.

Is it possible for you to be any more simplistic, naive and morally bankrupt??

Yep. Don't let any LTTE members in. Sorry.

Read above sunshine.

Guilt by association works both ways.

Better shut them Embassies and block trade.

I don't have compassion for terrorists and war criminals. If they have no connection with the Tamil Tigers, they can stay. If they do, tough shit.

Of course, terrorists and war criminals only eminate from the side that you disagree with.

Am I debating a 10 year old?