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AUKUS is Australia stumping up cash to keep the UK and USA's navies floating while they focus on other things.

We're getting practically nothing out of this deal. And it's still reliant on the US, when the time comes, 5 Presidents later, agreeing that they've got enough subs and we can have the next one off the production line.

If we need it because China is a threat, then the USA will think China is a threat to them and keep it.

If we don't need it because there are no threats, then we don't bloody need it!

We've out-sourced our national security to people like Boris Johnson and Donald Trump, FFS.

Well apart from closely guarded IP that's never been released to another country and decades of sovereign jobs in manufacturing.
 
you could just about solve every single problem in Australia with that $400 Billion and it would generate about 100 times more "sovereign jobs".

Yes - 100 times more IMO

And beef up supply chain issues for essential services, meaning much less reliance on see Bourne trade.

Even more so when our population hits the 50 million mark
 

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And beef up supply chain issues for essential services, meaning much less reliance on see Bourne trade.

Even more so when our population hits the 50 million mark
Australia is a joke. We still have populist politicians running around dissing electric cars when electric cars could be the cure for the entire energy problem including energy security and storage.
 
Australia is a joke. We still have populist politicians running around dissing electric cars when electric cars could be the cure for the entire energy problem including energy security and storage.
Better off putting in trains and trams and other good public transport.
 
US Defence has had to ask Congress for another emergency $8.8billion for their submarine program which is well behind time. And there's still no guarantees we'll have our own subs before 2040.

So we're relying on a genocidal regime which is possibly about to slide into autocracy and is already more oligarchical than Australia to patrol our borders with their submarines. What if Trump just decides to "acquire" the gas fields of NT/WA?
 
US Defence has had to ask Congress for another emergency $8.8billion for their submarine program which is well behind time. And there's still no guarantees we'll have our own subs before 2040.

So we're relying on a genocidal regime which is possibly about to slide into autocracy and is already more oligarchical than Australia to patrol our borders with their submarines. What if Trump just decides to "acquire" the gas fields of NT/WA?
Genocidal regime? Only Xi's dictatorship and Israel would seem to be one of those.

On SM-A136B using BigFooty.com mobile app
 
Genocidal regime? Only Xi's dictatorship and Israel would seem to be one of those.

On SM-A136B using BigFooty.com mobile app
Genocide conventions say that if you knowingly provide the weapons, you're genocidin'.

Given the ICC has warrants out, the US set their own red-lines which Israel just ignored, but the US still sent more weapons anyway. It's safe to say they're supportive of the Genocide, even though they know it's wrong.
 
And we tax them appropriately and they decide to just annex the territory?

It wouldn't be within the first 10 times that the US has overthrown a Government because they started taxing US companies' mineral extractions.

They've done it over bananas before, FFS. And we trust this mob to defend us??
No Australian leader is standing up to the Americans any time soon.

The Gillard mining tax got watered down to nothing and was still the first thing that Abbott cancelled.
 
Bump.

Some interesting podcast material in regard to Aukus.

Global roaming presented by Hamish MacDonald and Geraldine Doogue.


There are 6 episodes, I'm nearly through the 2nd.

Some interesting view points from an ex PLA member, Vice Admiral Jonathan Mead and others with pro and con arguments.

It delves into a myriad of factors, like security agreements (for example, the US setting up military bases in Australia, the Osborne ship yard etc.), cost breakdowns, like contingency cost etc.

The 'forecasting' recruiting drive of all different type of specialist to staff and maintain the whole project over its 3 plus decade timeline.

And much more.

All the above is past the simple price tag and we or may not get submarines out of it discussion.
 

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