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you could just about solve every single problem in Australia with that $400 Billion and it would generate about 100 times more "sovereign jobs".
Yes - 100 times more IMO
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And beef up supply chain issues for essential services, meaning much less reliance on see Bourne trade.
Even more so when our population hits the 50 million mark
Australia is a joke. We still have populist politicians running around dissing electric cars when electric cars could be the cure for the entire energy problem including energy security and storage.
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Except trucks Utes and commercial vehicles seem to be getting a free pass
US Defence has had to ask Congress for another emergency $8.8billion for their submarine program which is well behind time. And there's still no guarantees we'll have our own subs before 2040.
So we're relying on a genocidal regime which is possibly about to slide into autocracy and is already more oligarchical than Australia to patrol our borders with their submarines. What if Trump just decides to "acquire" the gas fields of NT/WA?
So we're relying on a genocidal regime which is possibly about to slide into autocracy and is already more oligarchical than Australia to patrol our borders with their submarines. What if Trump just decides to "acquire" the gas fields of NT/WA?
Genocidal regime? Only Xi's dictatorship and Israel would seem to be one of those.
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Genocide conventions say that if you knowingly provide the weapons, you're genocidin'.
Given the ICC has warrants out, the US set their own red-lines which Israel just ignored, but the US still sent more weapons anyway. It's safe to say they're supportive of the Genocide, even though they know it's wrong.
America already owns them
And we tax them appropriately and they decide to just annex the territory?
It wouldn't be within the first 10 times that the US has overthrown a Government because they started taxing US companies' mineral extractions.
They've done it over bananas before, FFS. And we trust this mob to defend us??
No Australian leader is standing up to the Americans any time soon.
The Gillard mining tax got watered down to nothing and was still the first thing that Abbott cancelled.
Bump.
Some interesting podcast material in regard to Aukus.
Global roaming presented by Hamish MacDonald and Geraldine Doogue.
There are 6 episodes, I'm nearly through the 2nd.
Some interesting view points from an ex PLA member, Vice Admiral Jonathan Mead and others with pro and con arguments.
It delves into a myriad of factors, like security agreements (for example, the US setting up military bases in Australia, the Osborne ship yard etc.), cost breakdowns, like contingency cost etc.
The 'forecasting' recruiting drive of all different type of specialist to staff and maintain the whole project over its 3 plus decade timeline.
And much more.
All the above is past the simple price tag and we or may not get submarines out of it discussion.
Some interesting podcast material in regard to Aukus.
Global roaming presented by Hamish MacDonald and Geraldine Doogue.
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There are 6 episodes, I'm nearly through the 2nd.
Some interesting view points from an ex PLA member, Vice Admiral Jonathan Mead and others with pro and con arguments.
It delves into a myriad of factors, like security agreements (for example, the US setting up military bases in Australia, the Osborne ship yard etc.), cost breakdowns, like contingency cost etc.
The 'forecasting' recruiting drive of all different type of specialist to staff and maintain the whole project over its 3 plus decade timeline.
And much more.
All the above is past the simple price tag and we or may not get submarines out of it discussion.
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Peter Briggs has written about our next submarine project a number of times. He makes some compelling arguments here.
Instead of wasting more time on the flawed Aukus submarine program, we must go to plan B now | Peter Briggs
The submarines Australia currently wants to buy and build are too big and too expensive. Alternatives are obvious – and limited
www.theguardian.com
Alternatively Australia could breed a massive stockpile of crocodiles, snakes and drop bears.Peter Briggs has written about our next submarine project a number of times. He makes some compelling arguments here.
Instead of wasting more time on the flawed Aukus submarine program, we must go to plan B now | Peter Briggs
The submarines Australia currently wants to buy and build are too big and too expensive. Alternatives are obvious – and limitedwww.theguardian.com
We’d even screw that up frankly.
Imagine walking into a shop and agreeing to give them $1,000 every year for a new TV in 10 years' time, but only if the owner of the TV doesn't want to keep it because they "need" it, as determined by them.
They're beyond amateur. It's got to be corruption at the highest levels of the Defence Department to give advice even remotely like this.
They're beyond amateur. It's got to be corruption at the highest levels of the Defence Department to give advice even remotely like this.
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The elephant in the room with the Barracuda though is the refuelling. SSN-AUKUS & Virginia boats sidestepped this issue altogether by being "fuelled for life" (not sure I believe that's a thing anymore than I believe it with ZF gearboxes on Falcons but whatever).Peter Briggs has written about our next submarine project a number of times. He makes some compelling arguments here.
Instead of wasting more time on the flawed Aukus submarine program, we must go to plan B now | Peter Briggs
The submarines Australia currently wants to buy and build are too big and too expensive. Alternatives are obvious – and limitedwww.theguardian.com
I pondered this myself over the last few weeks when noise started emanating from the US that AUKUS could be on the rocks, and the conclusion I came to was just to give up having submarines altogether. Any submarine capable of being designed, manufactured and maintained locally would be little more than a token gesture of replacing a class of submarine that has never fully delivered on what we wanted it to do anyway. And any submarine capable of fulfilling our plans for true blue water operation requires an international partner to provide the base of support for it which we cannot.
The reality is that only nations that have functional nuclear industries have nuclear submarines, Australia is not one of those nations and the though of making up for nearly 80 years of non-participation in just 10 to get boats in the water isn't going to happen. We can choose to throw good money after bad diesel boats, or change tack and try to get value elsewhere.
At least he is consistent, ever since his junkets to France paid for by dcns, he has always attacked other sub proposals in favour of the french. Even though French military procurements by Australia are consistently failures, and is generally outdated.Peter Briggs has written about our next submarine project a number of times. He makes some compelling arguments here.
Instead of wasting more time on the flawed Aukus submarine program, we must go to plan B now | Peter Briggs
The submarines Australia currently wants to buy and build are too big and too expensive. Alternatives are obvious – and limitedwww.theguardian.com
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Has potential
Or we could improve our internal supply chains. We have all the raw materials we need
Imagine our country with a Scandinavian outlook
It would cost a fraction of potentially defending our trade routes. Which of course due to decades long mismanagement we can’t… but maybe sometime never
We have everything. Except the leadership
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We have cucolds or suckhols for foreign interests
Turnbull just reminded us.
The cracks in the once solid Australia - US alliance are getting wider every day now:
The United States has become an unreliable ally under Donald Trump’s presidency and the Albanese government should urgently develop a plan B for Australia’s submarine fleet in case its AUKUS vision falls apart, according to Admiral Chris Barrie, former head of the Australian Defence Force.
The United States has become an unreliable ally under Donald Trump’s presidency and the Albanese government should urgently develop a plan B for Australia’s submarine fleet in case its AUKUS vision falls apart, according to Admiral Chris Barrie, former head of the Australian Defence Force.
‘We need a plan B’: Admiral’s call for AUKUS rethink over unreliable Trump
Former Defence Force chief Chris Barrie says he has watched with alarm as the US president upends traditional alliances.
www.theage.com.au
