Current Australian brothers Jack & Callum Robinson missing in Baja California, Mexico * Murdered

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There was an earlier report that one of the group might have had a bit of a thing with the woman.

Haven't heard much more about that but could be where the 3 men first came onto the crims radar.
 

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Expert points out major flaw with tyre theory

However, Eltan Talmi, CEO of Tactical Troop, a private security company specialising in Mexico, argues that the theory suggesting the brothers were killed for their tyres doesn't stack up.

'The tyres issue is, of course, a cover story,' he said.

'No one will kill three tourists in Mexico for tyres. You can steal the tyres during the night without drawing so much attention.'

His comments come after the style of the alleged slayings - a single gunshot to the head - sparked fears locally about the possible involvement of drug cartels, which are rife in the region.

Violence in Mexico is mainly carried out by warring cartels and criminal groups battling for control of the cities, according to Mr Talmi.

'Many tourists from many parts of the world believe they can behave the same as they do in their home country without understanding the culture,' he said.

Mr Talmi said that areas like Baja California are of special concern for tourists as they are very isolated with low government presence.

'Mexico today is one of the most dangerous countries in the world. Visitors may face different risks as robberies, kidnappings, extortions and more,' he said. "

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Chilling twist after Australian brothers are killed in Mexico

A security expert specialising in Mexico argues that the theory suggesting that thieves killed two Australian brothers and their American friend for their tyres does not stack up.
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Quote below NY Times 7/5/24
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On Sunday, Mexican authorities announced that the bodies of the three tourists, found at the bottom of a well with gunshot wounds to their heads, had been identified by their families.

The men had been killed in a carjacking gone wrong, the authorities said, and suspects had been detained within days of the men’s disappearance. More people are being investigated.
It was a tragic yet somewhat fast resolution to a case that had drawn international attention.
For many local Mexicans, however, the quick response from the authorities to locate the Robinson siblings and Jack Carter Rhoad, the American, and make arrests seemed to be an exception in a country where tens of thousands of missing-person cases have sat for years without ever being solved.
The government said in March that about 100,000 people are missing in Mexico, though the United Nations says that could be an undercount.
“It is very difficult, except for high-profile cases like the one that just happened, for the authorities to immediately trigger the search,” said Adriana Jaén, a sociologist based in Ensenada who provides legal, emotional and logistical support to people searching for their missing loved ones.
Federal and state officials in Mexico tend to claim that violence levels have dropped even as official data contradicts them. The local authorities have themselves been involved in disappearances — in Baja California, municipal police officers from Ensenada were recently accused in the disappearance of one man. And then there’s also a lack of resources to investigate."

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https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/03/...catskills-bolt-together-jeffrey-milstein.html
 
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'The tyres issue is, of course, a cover story,' he said.

'No one will kill three tourists in Mexico for tyres. You can steal the tyres during the night without drawing so much attention.'

His comments come after the style of the alleged slayings - a single gunshot to the head - sparked fears locally about the possible involvement of drug cartels, which are rife in the region.

Violence in Mexico is mainly carried out by warring cartels and criminal groups battling for control of the cities, according to Mr Talmi.

'Many tourists from many parts of the world believe they can behave the same as they do in their home country without understanding the culture,' he said.

Mr Talmi said that areas like Baja California are of special concern for tourists as they are very isolated with low government presence.

'Mexico today is one of the most dangerous countries in the world. Visitors may face different risks as robberies, kidnappings, extortions and more,' he said. "
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It might be a cover story, I notice the alleged killers didn't actually steal the tyres.
 
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Pamcake1 said:
Quote below NY Times 7/5/24
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On Sunday, Mexican authorities announced that the bodies of the three tourists, found at the bottom of a well with gunshot wounds to their heads, had been identified by their families.

The men had been killed in a carjacking gone wrong, the authorities said, and suspects had been detained within days of the men’s disappearance. More people are being investigated.
It was a tragic yet somewhat fast resolution to a case that had drawn international attention.
For many local Mexicans, however, the quick response from the authorities to locate the Robinson siblings and Jack Carter Rhoad, the American, and make arrests seemed to be an exception in a country where tens of thousands of missing-person cases have sat for years without ever being solved.
The government said in March that about 100,000 people are missing in Mexico, though the United Nations says that could be an undercount.
“It is very difficult, except for high-profile cases like the one that just happened, for the authorities to immediately trigger the search,” said Adriana Jaén, a sociologist based in Ensenada who provides legal, emotional and logistical support to people searching for their missing loved ones.
Federal and state officials in Mexico tend to claim that violence levels have dropped even as official data contradicts them. The local authorities have themselves been involved in disappearances — in Baja California, municipal police officers from Ensenada were recently accused in the disappearance of one man. And then there’s also a lack of resources to investigate."
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It makes sense the cartels prefer not to target tourists because it can bring unwanted external attention which is what's happened here and place pressure on the cops who are on their payroll. It's very corrupt.

All shot in the head doesn't really indicate resistance or a fight, more so if they were killed in their tents.

The car itself and the tyres weren't what they wanted, if robbery it was probably something in the vehicle. Or they've had interactions with these three prior and there was some sort of score to settle?

Also possible the three arrested are patsies, charged quickly to settle it and limit any further probing by outsiders.

I wonder how well the two brothers knew the American they were with.
 
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Instagram/@Callum10Robinson Jack Carter Rhoad

Callum Robinson posted this image of Jack Carter Rhoad just days before his death

Jack Carter Rhoad, 30​

Mr Carter Rhoad, a friend of Callum, was a resident of San Diego and had been employed at a technology services company in the city since December 2019.
In 2012, he founded a clothes company, Loma Apparel.
Between 2014-15, he played professional football at Deportivo Mixto in Guatemala's top-tier national league.
He had previously volunteered on humanitarian trips to South Africa, Guatemala and Mexico.

Mr Rhoad had been due to marry his fiancee, Natalie Wiertz, in Columbus, Ohio, on 17 August. The pair had announced their engagement in July last year, with Ms Wiertz celebrating her hen do only last month.
 
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It makes sense the cartels prefer not to target tourists because it can bring unwanted external attention which is what's happened here and place pressure on the cops who are on their payroll. It's very corrupt.

All shot in the head doesn't really indicate resistance or a fight, more so if they were killed in their tents.

The car itself and the tyres weren't what they wanted, if robbery it was probably something in the vehicle. Or they've had interactions with these three prior and there was some sort of score to settle?

Also possible the three arrested are patsies, charged quickly to settle it and limit any further probing by outsiders.

I wonder how well the two brothers knew the American they were with.
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If all three were shot in the head while in tents that would indicate a very experienced and capable shooter.

Head shots are easy to miss so whoever it was has been around guns a lot.
 
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Just last year, an armed group attacked people participating in a car rally, Baja California.

At least 10 people are dead and another nine injured after an armed group fired at drivers taking part in a rally in Baja California, in northwestern Mexico, on Saturday. Videos and images shared on social networks captured the aftermath of the attack, showing vehicles riddled with bullets and bodies lying on the ground. In one video, several men are seen using long guns to fire at one of the cars taking part in the rally, as spectators flee in terror.
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At least 10 people murdered at rally in Mexico’s Baja California

In videos shared on social media, an armed group can be seen firing at vehicles, as spectators flee in terror
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Kurve said:
It makes sense the cartels prefer not to target tourists because it can bring unwanted external attention which is what's happened here and place pressure on the cops who are on their payroll. It's very corrupt.

All shot in the head doesn't really indicate resistance or a fight, more so if they were killed in their tents.

The car itself and the tyres weren't what they wanted, if robbery it was probably something in the vehicle. Or they've had interactions with these three prior and there was some sort of score to settle?

Also possible the three arrested are patsies, charged quickly to settle it and limit any further probing by outsiders.

I wonder how well the two brothers knew the American they were with.
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There is a basic conflict in the tents being blood spattered and that they resisted the robbery like in the below report.
If they were resisting how come it was three seperate head shots and no other shots or wounds?
If the were executed in their tents then how were they resisting the theft?

There is a conundrum between the two and with the rapid arrest it is possible that it is to 'clean up the crime' without proper investigation by the Mexican authorities.
That the Mexican authorities are under reporting crime in the region and country anyway, as stated in the NYTimes it looks more likely that they don't want to scare the tourist's and want the eyes off the whole business.
The fact that there was a US citizen involved and the involvement in the initial reports of the FBI in the investigation may lead to a further more thorough investigation but it is known that the mexican authorities do not have the resources to spend on investigating crime as there is just too much and they are overloaded already.
We may never know what the real circumstances were.

As to Mexico being a dangerous place to travel, it is as are a lot of South American countries.
No travel is ever totally safe anyway, on cruise ships the risk of Norovirus is very real, even a trip to the airport has it's own risks. As you said previously though camping in a secluded spot was never a good idea.

"Mexican police have revealed they found three abandoned tents splattered with blood at a campsite south of the town of Ensenada.

Authorities also found shell casings at the campsite where the three men were last seen with further investigations leading them to the well about 2km away.

Baja California's Attorney-General, María Andrade Ramírez, said the murder investigation would probe whether the men were killed in an alleged robbery.

She said the alleged thieves were likely interested in the mens' truck, a white Chevrolet Colorado pickup, and more specifically in the tyres.

'When they tried to get the vehicle, the victims opposed the robbery, the robbers were armed with a firearm and apparently shot the victims,' Ms Andrade Ramírez said."

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Tragic voicemail Aussie surfer left girlfriend before his brutal death

Callum Robinson and his brother Jake, age 33 and 30, were travelling with another friend in Mexico when they disappeared. They were found dead in a well on Saturday.
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Pamcake1 said:
There is a basic conflict in the tents being blood spattered and that they resisted the robbery like in the below report.
If they were resisting how come it was three seperate head shots and no other shots or wounds?
If the were executed in their tents then how were they resisting the theft?

There is a conundrum between the two and with the rapid arrest it is possible that it is to 'clean up the crime' without proper investigation by the Mexican authorities.
That the Mexican authorities are under reporting crime in the region and country anyway, as stated in the NYTimes it looks more likely that they don't want to scare the tourist's and want the eyes off the whole business.
The fact that there was a US citizen involved and the involvement in the initial reports of the FBI in the investigation may lead to a further more thorough investigation but it is known that the mexican authorities do not have the resources to spend on investigating crime as there is just too much and they are overloaded already.
We may never know what the real circumstances were.

As to Mexico being a dangerous place to travel, it is as are a lot of South American countries.
No travel is ever totally safe anyway, on cruise ships the risk of Norovirus is very real, even a trip to the airport has it's own risks. As you said previously though camping in a secluded spot was never a good idea.

"Mexican police have revealed they found three abandoned tents splattered with blood at a campsite south of the town of Ensenada.

Authorities also found shell casings at the campsite where the three men were last seen with further investigations leading them to the well about 2km away.

Baja California's Attorney-General, María Andrade Ramírez, said the murder investigation would probe whether the men were killed in an alleged robbery.

She said the alleged thieves were likely interested in the mens' truck, a white Chevrolet Colorado pickup, and more specifically in the tyres.

'When they tried to get the vehicle, the victims opposed the robbery, the robbers were armed with a firearm and apparently shot the victims,' Ms Andrade Ramírez said."

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Tragic voicemail Aussie surfer left girlfriend before his brutal death

Callum Robinson and his brother Jake, age 33 and 30, were travelling with another friend in Mexico when they disappeared. They were found dead in a well on Saturday.
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The well the dead rancher was in the bottom of with the three on top, is on land the cartels want according to sources familiar with the area. This well is on the property the dead rancher owned and only 2km from where their tents were pitched, he's only been missing for two weeks.

The trio might have been told to get off it and refused, so the message to be heard on the ground now, is to steer clear.
 

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This article suggests one of the cartels handed them over to police.
Make of that, what you will.
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One man shot the three in the head? The tyres ...

The city of Ensenada, near where the murders occurred, is under the control of a faction of the Sinaloa Cartel. Speaking to The Daily Beast on the condition of anonymity, a member of the group said the robbers were not part of the cartel.

“They were low-level robbers acting alone,” he said.

“But we handed them over. We learned that the cops were looking for the gringos and also began looking for those who were responsible. We called the authorities to let them know where to find them.”

The cartel member added that the group was afraid of “unwanted attention” from Mexican authorities.

Jesús Gerardo has been charged with “forced disappearance”. He has not yet entered a plea and the charges are expected to be upgraded to murder in coming days.

Ari Gisell and Cristian Alejandro have only been charged with drug possession.

The woman has since become a key prosecution witness against Jesús Gerardo, telling the court on Thursday that he told her “I killed them” before handing her a mobile phone and taking her outside to show her the new tyres on her car allegedly stolen from the victims’ truck, the ABC reported.

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They are going to throw the book hard at the murderer.

Bet now he wishes he committed the murders in Australia.
He get 20 and serve 12 to 15 with good behaviour.
 
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MSB ROYS said:
Thanks for sharing - very eye opening. What a lawless place.
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These guys are proper journos
Mexico is a failed narco state at the moment
Everything is linked to the cartels
Read a stat from à few years ago a person gets kidnapped every 6 minutes in Mexico
The lucky ones not included in the murder rates
 
They were absolute idiots and it's a tragedy but **** me, you don't just drive around Mexico. they're always from Perth too, know it all surfy idiots.
 
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not sure why anyone would go there, horrendous
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I've done some stupid shit travelling, me and a girlfriend walked past La Vele in Naples. we got dropped off in the wrong area with no battery and had to ask people how to get to a hotel and they kept saying 'too far, too far.' everywhere was full of smashed shop windows and people would get on their balconies to watch us walk past. it was ****ing scary. we were pretty resigned to sleeping in a ditch and seeing what happened.

We got to the hotel after about two hours of walking and the Italian concierge said 'you walked past there? for how long?' and bought us a coke and beer and bowl of chips and said 'I'll drive you to the airport tomorrow.'

Going to Mexico is too wrought with potential issues.
 
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I've done some stupid s*t travelling, me and a girlfriend walked past La Vele in Naples. we got dropped off in the wrong area with no battery and had to ask people how to get to a hotel and they kept saying 'too far, too far.' everywhere was full of smashed shop windows and people would get on their balconies to watch us walk past. it was ****** scary. we were pretty resigned to sleeping in a ditch and seeing what happened.

We got to the hotel after about two hours of walking and the Italian concierge said 'you walked past there? for how long?' and bought us a coke and beer and bowl of chips and said 'I'll drive you to the airport tomorrow.'

Going to Mexico is too wrought with potential issues.
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I spent 10 weeks travelling solo all over Mexico without a single issue. You can be unlucky anywhere.


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Current Australian brothers Jack & Callum Robinson missing in Baja California, Mexico * Murdered

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