Great point. As we are struggling for 20 wickets why don't we look at 5 bowlers and if 2 bowlers are bloody close in terms of selection pick the one that can bat better.
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Austrlia already have a genuine All-Rounder
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Great point. As we are struggling for 20 wickets why don't we look at 5 bowlers and if 2 bowlers are bloody close in terms of selection pick the one that can bat better.
I'd prefer to leave Johnson in at 8 or below, just too much pressure on him any higher and he could go down the road of Pathan. Watson would be perfect for the 6 spot with the way our tail is going plus if Watson clicks with the bat he'd probably get in on that alone. Just hope he can come back with the same pace and finally be over with the injuries.
l'm with those wishing he remains at 8 where his runs are valuable rather than an expectation or even a must. Also while l think Haddin has the talent to be a top 6 international batsman, l think his application at that level has a certain way to go. Still too loose at times for mine. Once again is a real bonus at 7 and can only improve. But at 6 we would need him averaging 45+ at least. Lets be novel and play a batsman at 6!
We need S Clark to come back and stabilise the attack. Clark, Johnson, Siddle and another. l dont think we should be automatically picking a spinner every test.
We need S Clark to come back and stabilise the attack. Clark, Johnson, Siddle and another. l dont think we should be automatically picking a spinner every test.
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You want Johnson to bat at 6 or 7?
snapperbowler
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One of the strengths of the Australian team over the past 20 odd years has been that the bowlers at times have batted well.
There hasn't been a player who was a genuine all-rounder.
Johnson batted really well and deserves to bat at number 8.
The balance of the team would be six bats, four bowlers and the wicketkeeper.
A part time bowler can come from Hussey, Clarke, Katich.
There hasn't been a player who was a genuine all-rounder.
Johnson batted really well and deserves to bat at number 8.
The balance of the team would be six bats, four bowlers and the wicketkeeper.
A part time bowler can come from Hussey, Clarke, Katich.
Hussey is not a part time bowler.
snapperbowler
All Australian
Well what is he then?
hes clearly a part time bowler.
Isn’t he a batsman?
snapperbowler
All Australian
Yes and can bowl if required. Which isn't very often.
Optimax
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Thats what i always thought
The bigfooty cricket board doesn't deal with such obvious logic.
Piss McDonald off and pick an actual bowler.
jabbathehut
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thought he was in the team as the reserve keeper
smoovy
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McDonald is average at best at both disciplines. He is never going to win a test match for you. Reminds me of a typical dibbly dobbly cricketer that NZ likes to pick or England teams of the 90s.
Australia has been a dominant team for 15 years without having a genuine allrounder. I don't know what the obsession is.
Australia has been a dominant team for 15 years without having a genuine allrounder. I don't know what the obsession is.
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With the way Australia's top-order is going they would want six batsmen on South Africa's pitches. Haddin at 7 and Mitch at 8 is definately more than handy following six genuine batsmen.
The problem we face today is we don't have the bowling potency to get the 20 wickets against the best opposition. If we could bowl them out with 4 bowlers we wouldn't waste our time with an all-rounder. until we get back to having quality bowlers of the ilk of McGrath, Warne and Gillespie, we'll be trying out a number of different combinations...
johnson should't be batting higher than 8. he's handy with the bat but not an allrounder.
it was the first time he batted for australia at 8 today and deserves to stay at 8 when/if lee returns.
johnson ain't a number 6 or 7!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it was the first time he batted for australia at 8 today and deserves to stay at 8 when/if lee returns.
johnson ain't a number 6 or 7!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MJ could be a #4 if he wanted. Srsly.
Marklar_33
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Dont ask for much
Ian Botham averaged 33, Kapil Dev 31, they were just bowling all-rounders?
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Absolutely agree. The batsman have been down on form but the bowling is our biggest problem.
Johnson at seven allows us to have four quicks AND a spinner.
The_Reaper
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Dont ask for much
Ian Botham averaged 33, Kapil Dev 31, they were just bowling all-rounders?
along with the likes of Shaun Pollock yes
A genuine allrounder is the likes of Flintoff, Khan and Miller whereas a batting allrounder is a Jacques Kallis or Gary Sobers
Freddy isn't a genuine all-rounder and has no business batting #6, but they are just bereft of options.
Sobers was not a batting all-rounder - he was an absolute genuine all-rounder in the full sense of the word. In fact he batted 9 in his first few tests!
As for Mitch Johnson, he has worked extremely hard on his batting, but he is not an all-rounders arseh*le. Warney was a better batsman than Mitch ffs.
Just to underline my point, I batted #11 almost exclusively from the age of 15 onwards in my cricketing life - hopeless batsman. I can count on one hand the amount of times I was promoted to #10. One such ocassion was a QLD Country vs QLD City game in 1999. One Mitchell Johnson, was the batsman deemed poor enough for me (a renowned bunny absolutely shit scared of balls bowled any faster than 110km/h) to be promoted to #10. Also note that in the same game a bloke by the name of Hauritz was batting 5....
Sobers was not a batting all-rounder - he was an absolute genuine all-rounder in the full sense of the word. In fact he batted 9 in his first few tests!
As for Mitch Johnson, he has worked extremely hard on his batting, but he is not an all-rounders arseh*le. Warney was a better batsman than Mitch ffs.
Just to underline my point, I batted #11 almost exclusively from the age of 15 onwards in my cricketing life - hopeless batsman. I can count on one hand the amount of times I was promoted to #10. One such ocassion was a QLD Country vs QLD City game in 1999. One Mitchell Johnson, was the batsman deemed poor enough for me (a renowned bunny absolutely shit scared of balls bowled any faster than 110km/h) to be promoted to #10. Also note that in the same game a bloke by the name of Hauritz was batting 5....
The_Reaper
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sobers averaged 34 for the ball
He also bowled his non-preferred chinaman and left arm orthodox for a great deal of his career due to the quality of pace bowling stocks they had.
He was picked initially as a quick bowler and batted number 9. He then went on to average 57 with the bat. So there is no argument he was good enough at both disciplines to be picked on either one of them alone - this makes him an absolute genuine all-rounder. He is the epitomy of genuine all-rounders.
He was picked initially as a quick bowler and batted number 9. He then went on to average 57 with the bat. So there is no argument he was good enough at both disciplines to be picked on either one of them alone - this makes him an absolute genuine all-rounder. He is the epitomy of genuine all-rounders.
