Trade Requested Bailey Smith

[TiAn_]

The second F1 was meant to be a F2.

The Dunkley deal was horrible for the Dogs. It essentially ended up being pick 21 & 23 for our best and fairest winner with 8 years of elite football left.

On the other hand, Dunkley hasn’t been as good for the Lions as he was his last year with us. Same midfield output with none of the contribution forward. If you look at what the Lions have got rather than what we lost based on that lone season, the trade would have been fine with a mid teens pick plus 23.

I suspect something similar will play out with Smith. We might get slight unders at worst. His disposal was pretty bad with us and that was in a mostly outside, uncontested ball role. I could see his hack kicking out of stoppages and miskicks at speed getting worse when he’s on the inside of the contest and under pressure more often. Particularly if he has slightly less burst thanks to the knee. I think that’ll offset the uptick in his contested output from being a full time onballer.

 

[Ash1337]

On the other hand, Dunkley hasn’t been as good for the Lions as he was his last year with us. Same midfield output with none of the contribution forward. If you look at what the Lions have got rather than what we lost based on that lone season, the trade would have been fine with a mid teens pick plus 23.

I suspect something similar will play out with Smith. We might get slight unders at worst. His disposal was pretty bad with us and that was in a mostly outside, uncontested ball role. I could see his hack kicking out of stoppages and miskicks at speed getting worse when he’s on the inside of the contest and under pressure more often. Particularly if he has slightly less burst thanks to the knee. I think that’ll offset the uptick in his contested output from being a full time onballer.

Exactly what Dangerfield was in his time at Adelaide I think. Very similar players so that said Danger mentoring him would be the best thing for Baily Smith to his future.

 

[TiAn_]

Exactly what Dangerfield was in his time at Adelaide I think. Very similar players so that said Danger mentoring him would be the best thing for Baily Smith to his future.

Similar type of player maybe, although Danger was much better forward, but a gulf in ability.

 

[Ash1337]

Dogs fans fear another Dunkley situation especially with how the media keeps lowballing what he is worth. ACL's are a tricky injury but from all reports he's back to full health, was back to regular training and would have been available to play last week.

For information Dunkley went for 17, 21, 35, 73 for Dunkley Dogs 3rd and Melbourne 3rd. That's before compo picks.

 

[Libbaaaa]

On the other hand, Dunkley hasn’t been as good for the Lions as he was his last year with us. Same midfield output with none of the contribution forward. If you look at what the Lions have got rather than what we lost based on that lone season, the trade would have been fine with a mid teens pick plus 23.

I suspect something similar will play out with Smith. We might get slight unders at worst. His disposal was pretty bad with us and that was in a mostly outside, uncontested ball role. I could see his hack kicking out of stoppages and miskicks at speed getting worse when he’s on the inside of the contest and under pressure more often. Particularly if he has slightly less burst thanks to the knee. I think that’ll offset the uptick in his contested output from being a full time onballer.

The goal kicking has definitely dropped off, he's still pretty much solid in all other areas, although his defensive shutdown roles have been massively overblown. That being said he's a bargain at $700k-$750k.

 

[Ka Norkers]

whilst Richmond obviously would take him in the PSD for free, nobody else other than Geelong wants him. His preferred destination 6 months ago said thanks but no thanks, so that leaves the Cats in a very strong position.
despite all the bluster, he will go for their first round pick, and nothing else.

 

[SweatOnMySkin]

Bailey Smith

6

Bailey Smith

Age

23

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

8.5

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.8

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

9.6

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

3.2

4star

D

14.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

1.6

4star

being the same type as Dangerfield is a bit of a stretch. Smith is quick...ish, Dangerfield was explosive.
Smith is kind of strong, Dangerfield was a bull even from a young age

 

[Oisin_the_Goat]

whilst Richmond obviously would take him in the PSD for free, nobody else other than Geelong wants him. His preferred destination 6 months ago said thanks but no thanks, so that leaves the Cats in a very strong position.
despite all the bluster, he will go for their first round pick, and nothing else.

I mean, the cats could take pick 1 off the table and just offer 2nd rounder. Take our first to the draft. WB can take it or leave it.

 

[jackag24]

Bailey Smith being the same type as Dangerfield is a bit of a stretch. Smith is quick...ish, Dangerfield was explosive.
Smith is kind of strong, Dangerfield was a bull even from a young age

Smith is more comparable to Walsh I think

Bit of a jack of all trades player

 

[Oisin_the_Goat]

Smith is more comparable to Walsh I think

Bit of a jack of all trades player

He's a pretty damn good finisher up forward though.

 

[cecil]

I mean, the cats could take pick 1 off the table and just offer 2nd rounder. Take our first to the draft. WB can take it or leave it.

He will go for unders but there's no way a scenario like that happens. It risks killing the relationship with the player manager if you don't make genuine attempts

 

[Gavin Excell]

whilst Richmond obviously would take him in the PSD for free, nobody else other than Geelong wants him. His preferred destination 6 months ago said thanks but no thanks, so that leaves the Cats in a very strong position.
despite all the bluster, he will go for their first round pick, and nothing else.

Hang on what
You saying Hawks rejected him?

 

[THE_GUN]

He is 100% worth a top 10 pick

This will be an interesting trade to keep an eye on in trade month

 

[VogonProsthetnic]

Send him to the PSD. A pick in the 20s is hardly worth it and sending him to a bottom team means we don’t make a competitor stronger.

 

[Jirik13]

I mean, the cats could take pick 1 off the table and just offer 2nd rounder. Take our first to the draft. WB can take it or leave it.

I hope WB would leave it. All the way to PSD. Surely WB can live without pick 20+.

Smith is top 10 pick for me. How about Cats R1 + F1. Cats can take it or leave it.

 

[FootyLad0]

There first this year will be in the 20s hence why this years "1st" + next years is what it should be still unders as they'll be highly unlikely to drop significantly

You mean like how in 2022 we were clear top of the ladder and 2023 we had our lowest finish ever?

Drop off can definitely happen, Pies proved that this year.
Success isn't linear.

 

[beerbandit]

Would Dogs take Collingwoods F1 ?

 

[BringFevBack2021]

Smith is more comparable to Walsh I think

Bit of a jack of all trades player

Smith, Walsh and Daicos are their own category of player

Running in and out of traffic, creative kicking, great agility, great vision

Daicos clearly the best of the three, but Walsh and Smith are certainly very good too

Really do think Smith will have big impact wherever he goes and as such the Dogs will probably get rewarded well

Could see a world however where Geelong pay unders and he wins a Brownlow lol

 

[FootyLad0]

Would Dogs take Collingwoods F1 ?

Doesn't matter what Dogs want, if Bailey says, "Trade me to TEAM XYZ" then he's not accepting a contract elsewhere

 

[moond0g]

I mean, the cats could take pick 1 off the table and just offer 2nd rounder. Take our first to the draft. WB can take it or leave it.

lol people say this every year, but when's the last time this happened? A deal will get done.

 

[beerbandit]

Doesn't matter what Dogs want, if Bailey says, "Trade me to TEAM XYZ" then he's not accepting a contract elsewhere

Beaut, hopefully he nominates Pies and we give them a 4th rounder then.

 

[SweatOnMySkin]

Love how people seem to think there is no onus on the club trading the player in to make a realistic deal and can just offer up whatever crap they want. Those WA clubs must have rocks in their heads thinking about trading a first rounder for Baker when they can just offer Richmond a future 4th.

 

[Oisin_the_Goat]

Send him to the PSD. A pick in the 20s is hardly worth it and sending him to a bottom team means we don’t make a competitor stronger.

Haha I hope the Bulldogs recruiting team don't share the same opinion!

 

[beerbandit]

Haha I hope the Bulldogs recruiting team don't share the same opinion!

I tend to agree with the poster you’re responding to.

Why get bent over by a team that is in the same bracket as you and potentially a Premiership rival next season ?

Geelong will need to give up either this years 1st or next years 1st plus most likely another late pick if they want Smith, otherwise teams like Hawthorn & Collingwood may pounce with a better deal and by reports Bailey might not care who he plays for out of those 3.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

I tend to agree with the poster you’re responding to.

Why get bent over by a team that is in the same bracket as you and potentially a Premiership rival next season ?

Geelong will need to give up either this years 1st or next years 1st plus most likely another late pick if they want Smith, otherwise teams like Hawthorn & Collingwood may pounce with a better deal and by reports Bailey might not care who he plays for out of those 3.

There hasn't been reports of that.

Whether Morris, Ralph, & Cleary are actually right is another matter entirely, but the "reports" are he's requested a trade to Geelong.