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Trade Requested Bailey Smith
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I don’t think people understand that Geelong’s first is terrible.
If cats offered their first and a second like you say, they’d be laughed all the way back to Geelong.
I don’t think people understand you’ll get what you’ll get regardless of what people say or think here
Hence it’s a discussion on bigfooty. Can only go by what’s reported, and what’s reported is Dogs are expecting a high end pick. Unless cats can make some trades to secure a top 10 pick, their f1 will be involved.
It’s not impossible that they trade out someone of value to get what the dogs are asking for if they want to keep their f1 that badly.
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Because, this time last week, most people had us earmarked for a straight sets semi final belting by whoever emerged from the Bulldogs and Hawthorn. People certainly weren't expecting us to book a home preliminary final, let alone for us to be back in the same position next year.
And - speaking for myself - I'm the same. I don't think I've ever gone into a Geelong qualifying final with lower expectations. We've capitalised on a bizarrely even season and now have the fortune of being likely to play the remainder of our 2024 finals campaign (however long that is) in our home state against a non-Victorian opponent. I think we'll drop next year unless we have a very fortunate run with injuries, because with the expected outs from our list in the offseason, we'll practically have zero recognised depth in several key areas.
I expect Bailey Smith will be a very good player for Geelong. I'm not saying that he isn't worth a sizable haul in a trade; I'm saying that:
a) I'm not sure that giving away two first rounders and potentially another decent pick is the best thing for us with the current composition of our list - we'll probably bat down to about 27 on our list heading into the preseason, as far as players with meaningful AFL experience is concerned. And;
b) I think the 2025 first rounder will be a single digit pick. And I bet that lots of people in this thread would have predicted the same a week ago.
The deal will get done, of course. Who knows what will end up changing hands? But my advice to Geelong would be to tread carefully. Because for an older team, if they make a deal like this and it turns out they've drastically overestimated how their list will develop, it's the sort of thing that can cripple a club for years.
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You lose the benefit of the doubt now sorry. Successful all the time, making prelims without trying, turning everyone into stars. You're trading for an under 25 year old now, I suppose you extorted Pies as well (on Henry) but if you end missing finals next year it's not crippling you, nothing does.
Two firsts with a 2nd back should be a remotely fair trade considering Geelong's history of success
Yes but it’s early game, have the feeling a top 10 pick from any teams shouldn’t be a realistic option.
You are correct, Geelong can move assets around to come up with a pick between 10 & our current pick (which might just be a 1st &/or future 2nd/fringe player to move up some picks)
I suspect Dogs have someone in mind in the top 12.
I think they have asked Cats to find a way to get them a pick in that range, and put the ball in their court. Trades are never as simple as they seem.
Suns have an academy kid around that range. They have Dogs first which is pick 12 I think (Sanders trade). It may be in their interest to get rid of that pick.
This could realistically be a three way trade.
Cats give their first + third + future second.
Cats receive Bailey Smith.
Dogs give Bailey smith.
Dogs receive pick 12.
Suns give pick 12.
Suns received Cats first + third + future second.
Thoughts?
I think they have asked Cats to find a way to get them a pick in that range, and put the ball in their court. Trades are never as simple as they seem.
Suns have an academy kid around that range. They have Dogs first which is pick 12 I think (Sanders trade). It may be in their interest to get rid of that pick.
This could realistically be a three way trade.
Cats give their first + third + future second.
Cats receive Bailey Smith.
Dogs give Bailey smith.
Dogs receive pick 12.
Suns give pick 12.
Suns received Cats first + third + future second.
Thoughts?
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One comfort is that we're on record as needing board approval for first round trades or 5 year contracts. So if this is where we're at then presumably Mackie, Wells etc will have to convince the board first.
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Seems a good framework
What did Adam Treloar get traded for?
Treloar was traded from Collingwood to the Western Bulldogs on 12 November, in the final minute of trade period. Collingwood received pick 14 and a future 2nd round pick, while the Bulldogs received Treloar and picks 26, 33 and 42.
You win some you lose some.
Bazlenka for a future 2nd looks about right using the Adam Treloar currency conversion.
Treloar was traded from Collingwood to the Western Bulldogs on 12 November, in the final minute of trade period. Collingwood received pick 14 and a future 2nd round pick, while the Bulldogs received Treloar and picks 26, 33 and 42.
You win some you lose some.
Bazlenka for a future 2nd looks about right using the Adam Treloar currency conversion.
You got Bowes and pick 7 for nothing 5 top 5 picks for Baz then you win some you lose some using that logic
I think current First and future 2nd works despite "neutrals" and Dogs fans claiming it's not. I'd even throw in our current Third to help it get rolling.
Didn’t know Bowes & Clark had that sort of trade value !!
We lost Jnr for pick 19.
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We're winning the bazleka trade.
Doggies will get there lick of the ice cream from another deal. Bend the saints over for Jack Macrae.
The melty sour grape combo in this thread is palpable.
Too much.
Think we can get away with the late 1st. If they ask nicely we can throw in a 3rd...
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the second and third are just garbage tier picks this year and dont add much. I'd just ask Geelong to do the work and trade it up themselves. Gold Coast have been falling over themselves to do favours for Geelong at the trade table, time to call in another one
The only people stating that works are Geelong supporters… I wonder why haha.
Sorry to burst your bubble but there’s no chance Dogs accept Cats first + f2.
Going to be the case until trade week, and then both clubs will pull something out of their ass and none of these hypothetical trades are accurate.
This seems like a classic two firsts with a second going back the other way trade.
Geelong are beginning to get a rep for being difficult to deal with at the trade table though, so I expect this one to go on for a while.
Geelong are beginning to get a rep for being difficult to deal with at the trade table though, so I expect this one to go on for a while.
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He was in contract and the pies couldn't literally pay his salary and stay under the cap. The dogs took advantage and they needed picks for an academy player (Ugle-Hagan if I remember correctly).
It's totally different to the Smith situation.
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