Trade Requested Bailey Smith

[MisterMarcus]

It's the principle + collateral damage

Why should the Bulldogs let Geelong pull down their pants in front of a national audience ?
They'd be better served by either

a) making Geelong pay what the Bulldogs want

or

b) miss out altogether and Bailey can join the party atmosphere that is Punt Road Oval!!!!!

Geelong obviously have an interest in him otherwise they would not be trying to court him over. So instead of trying to get a player for the price of a Dominoes pizza. They should pay a steeper price (granted I do think $30 pizzas are a bit rich ).

In that scenario, the only team that loses is the Bulldogs.

We don't lose Smith because we never had him. We can just take those picks to the draft or look for another trade.

The Doggies lose a good player for absolutely nothing......they'd be the losers. If they want to intentionally hurt themselves purely to spite Geelong then so be it.

 

[Xtreme]

In that scenario, the only team that loses is the Bulldogs.

We don't lose Smith because we never had him. We can just take those picks to the draft or look for another trade.

The Doggies lose a good player for absolutely nothing......they'd be the losers. If they want to intentionally hurt themselves purely to spite Geelong then so be it.

But your other trade won't be bailey so winner winner chicken dinner for the bulldogs!

 

[Ash1337]

If they want to pay a Dunkley like price for Smith then cats could try trade their first and future 2nd to suns for 12. Which is just enough to pay for Smith but pick 12 is in demand from pies for noble and future 1st because of their F/S coming in.

 

[MisterMarcus]

But your other trade won't be bailey so winner winner chicken dinner for the bulldogs!

I'm not sure actively choosing to lose a good player for absolutely nothing out of pure spite is much of a 'win' for the Bulldogs.

 

[Xtreme]

I'm not sure actively choosing to lose a good player for absolutely nothing out of pure spite is much of a 'win' for the Bulldogs.

They'd rather lose him for nothing than get shafted by another club (especially when that club is Geelong)

 

[Doggy]

They'd rather lose him for nothing than get shafted by another club (especially when that club is Geelong)

The board signed off on sending Dunkley to the PSD as well. Nearly happened

 

[threenewpadlocks]

The board signed off on sending Dunkley to the PSD as well. Nearly happened

And Brisbane blinked and offered a bit more.

People don't understand the game theory risk. You have to be sincerely willing to let players walk through the PSD, otherwise its use as a threat to leverage more at the trade table would never work in each instance. The odd instance of losing the player for nothing will still net you more at the trade table over the long run.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Dunkley went for 17, 21 and 35 with some later picks going back to Brisbane.

Geelong’s 1st and future 2nd isn’t close to that as it’s missing that extra early 20s pick. So if you don’t want to give up your F1, you’ll have to find that early 20s pick this year to get close to his value.

The picks for dunkley ended up being 23 and 23 (charlie clarke and hardeman).

A lot depends on where you think geelongs future 2nd will be. I personally think we will miss the 8 next year so it will be in the 20s anyway. In that case for eg p20 this year and 27 next year is fair considering the value difference between smith and dunkley.

Now if you think the future 2nd will be a lot later then that then i agree geelong needs to add an extra pick but it will be an extra r2 or r3 somewhere (or a fringe player) it will be steak knives. Geelong will find an extra pick like that in the midrange and a pick that could be potentially top 10 is way overs and geelong wont be stupid enough to risk that with an ageing list-we are not as stupid as collingwood when it comes to trading futures..the henry trade we refused to trade a future 1st and we will do the same here.

Hence the idea of a 1st and a future 1st is fantasy.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

If they want to pay a Dunkley like price for Smith then cats could try trade their first and future 2nd to suns for 12. Which is just enough to pay for Smith but pick 12 is in demand from pies for noble and future 1st because of their F/S coming in.

The chances of anyone getting pick 12 for noble are zero.

 

[Doggy]

The picks for dunkley ended up being 23 and 23 (charlie clarke and hardeman).

A lot depends on where you think geelongs future 2nd will be. I personally think we will miss the 8 next year so it will be in the 20s anyway. In that case for eg p20 this year and 27 next year is fair considering the value difference between smith and dunkley.

Now if you think the future 2nd will be a lot later then that then i agree geelong needs to add an extra pick but it will be an extra r2 or r3 somewhere (or a fringe player) it will be steak knives. Geelong will find an extra pick like that in the midrange and a pick that could be potentially top 10 is way overs and geelong wont be stupid enough to risk that with an ageing list-we are not as stupid as collingwood when it comes to trading futures..the henry trade we refused to trade a future 1st and we will do the same here.

Hence the idea of a 1st and a future 1st is fantasy.

All those years everyone said Geelong would drop and your supporters base gnashed teeth.

Now that it suits you for a trade they'll drop this year after potentially winning the flag

 

[GetDimmaBack]

All those years everyone said Geelong would drop and your supporters base gnashed teeth.

Now that it suits you for a trade they'll drop this year after potentially winning the flag

That's the wondrous thing about these level headed Geelong List Managers, isn't it?

Gotta love their work, doncha?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

All those years everyone said Geelong would drop and your supporters base gnashed teeth.

Now that it suits you for a trade they'll drop this year after potentially winning the flag

If you paid attention the last time a supporter base was gnashing for us to trade a future 1st we missed the finals the next year. And our list is more ageing now than it was then.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

The picks for dunkley ended up being 23 and 23 (charlie clarke and hardeman).

A lot depends on where you think geelongs future 2nd will be. I personally think we will miss the 8 next year so it will be in the 20s anyway. In that case for eg p20 this year and 27 next year is fair considering the value difference between smith and dunkley.

Now if you think the future 2nd will be a lot later then that then i agree geelong needs to add an extra pick but it will be an extra r2 or r3 somewhere (or a fringe player) it will be steak knives. Geelong will find an extra pick like that in the midrange and a pick that could be potentially top 10 is way overs and geelong wont be stupid enough to risk that with an ageing list-we are not as stupid as collingwood when it comes to trading futures..the henry trade we refused to trade a future 1st and we will do the same here.

Hence the idea of a 1st and a future 1st is fantasy.

You can't in one breath claim that Brisbane didn't pay that much for Dunkley because it's "pick 23" (when it was, at the time, only known to be Brisbane's future first) and in the next breath declare that Geelong's F1 is worth a lot and therefore trading it is a "fantasy".

You're not expected to be that much worse of a team next year, than Brisbane were in 2022, at the end of 2021.

Do you not see the contradictions here?

 

[Pencil case]

If you paid attention the last time a supporter base was gnashing for us to trade a future 1st we missed the finals the next year. And our list is more ageing now than it was then.

That’s not the Dogs problem though. Cats have been courting Baz for over a year it’s up the them to get it done.

 

[cecil]

I'd be pretty surprised if the basis of the trade isn't already figured out. Geelongs somewhat unexpected finish to the year has diluted the value of their 1st there's enough value in other picks to get it done. Even if it ends up Pick 20, Pick 40 and a F2 or something similar.

 

[Doggy]

You can't in one breath claim that Brisbane didn't pay that much for Dunkley because it's "pick 23" (when it was, at the time, only known to be Brisbane's future first) and in the next breath declare that Geelong's F1 is worth a lot and therefore trading it is a "fantasy".

You're not expected to be that much worse of a team next year, than Brisbane were in 2022, at the end of 2021.

Do you not see the contradictions here?

It only works for them because they want to bend us over.

If they get away with not paying 2 late first rounders, this year's is pretty much a second rounder, they will say "can't believe we got him so cheap"

 

[Pencil case]

Sam de koning is apparently exploring his options. 3 way trade with saints?

Pick 7 to Dogs, Smith to Cats, De Koning to Saints.

 

[Doggy]

Sam de koning is apparently exploring his options. 3 way trade with saints?

Pick 7 to Dogs, Smith to Cats, De Koning to Saints.

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