Balme

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unfair comparison, most of those coaches were actively taking the team performance and/or culture backwards.

Under nicks we took forward steps in years 2, 3 and 4.

I think you'll be hard pressed to argue that year 3 was a forward step.

Round 6 we were 3-3 and we had a couple of really good early wins against Port and the Bulldogs in Ballarat, but from Round 7 onwards we were terrible. We won a further five games, however four of those five wins were against 17th and 18th (North Melbourne and West Coast).

2021 and 2023 were definitely improvement years, but 2022 IMO was a step backwards.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

strongly disagree. No other AFC coach has been there for a start of a rebuild.
You need to afford rebuilding coaches more time than a coach competing for finals.

I think you're right that the board may have been insecure about the perception that we are not a patient club when it comes to head coaches.
However, whether we think it's justified or not, that is a real perception that victorians had (or had).

We couldn't really afford to sack Nicks that early, even if internally we had doubts on how far he could take the group.

If you want the best candidates applying for the head coach role coming out of a rebuild, then the club needs to show signs of re-gaining stability and being prepared to give the new hire a fair opportunity to produce results. Ad this was not the clubs reputation back in 2021 or even 2022.

I think we did reach that point by 2024, and Nicks had a lot more red flags against this coaching technique to justify moving him on.

I doubt it would have hurt the clubs reputation. For starters, our reputation was already at rock bottom due to the previous regime. Then you have to consider that Nicks and his coaching group produced one of the worst years of AFL football ever in 2020 and won a spoon. I think it would have stayed in the news cycle for about 5 minutes. There have been coaches who performed way better than Nicks who got sacked and it wasn't a big deal. Look at Ratten for example.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

If you look over Balme's history with each Club he's been at .....you'll find he preaches patience with Coaches ....more along the lines of looking for Club stability

 

[Mr_Moogle]

If you look over Balme's history with each Club he's been at .....you'll find he preaches patience with Coaches ....more along the lines of looking for Club stability

That's good news....for Murray Davis.

 

[Doctor B]

unfair comparison, most of those coaches were actively taking the team performance and/or culture backwards.

Under nicks we took forward steps in years 2, 3 and 4.

We took forward steps from a 3 win 17.6% 2020 season

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

I doubt it would have hurt the clubs reputation. For starters, our reputation was already at rock bottom due to the previous regime. Then you have to consider that Nicks and his coaching group produced one of the worst years of AFL football ever in 2020 and won a spoon. I think it would have stayed in the news cycle for about 5 minutes. There have been coaches who performed way better than Nicks who got sacked and it wasn't a big deal. Look at Ratten for example.

to the bolded.

Yes, it was. Which is my point, had we sacked Nicks in 2022, it would have solidified that reputation.

We won the spoon because the club was a shit show, not because Nicks sucks as a coach (even though we now know that to also be true).

The media would have claimed that we were using Nicks as a scapegoat for 2020. Even if it's 5 minutes, that would be enough to put off prospective coaches from applying.

People put too much blame on Nicks for 2020. We were one of the heavy favourites for the spoon during the 2020 pre-season. People forget how bad our back end of 2019 was. We went 2-7 from the back 9 and those 2 wins were against gc and st kilda, who were both diabolical back than.

The club was in free fall when Nicks entered the cockpit, and was give multiple obstacles that made it harder to pull it in one season. Covid restrictions prevented the development of anew ame plan. Burton was gone but it takes multiple pre-season to fully recover, and we didn't even have a legitimate replacement yet.
It's obvious the senior players were not focused until halfway through the season and allowed standards to drop.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

We took forward steps from a 3 win 17.6% 2020 season

Correct. Which is still better than what teague and bolton were doing, who just stayed in the bottom 2.

other coaches started at a higher place and went backwards

 

[relapse]

If you look over Balme's history with each Club he's been at .....you'll find he preaches patience with Coaches ....more along the lines of looking for Club stability

I'm not sure what you're basing that on.

Balme's first season at both Geelong and at Richmond were the years that both clubs won flags.

It sounds like something you've made up

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I'm not sure what you're basing that on.

Balme's first season at both Geelong and at Richmond were the years that both clubs won flags.

It sounds like something you've made up

Because you're not aware of the scenario's, doesn't mean it was made up

Try doing some research first, then comment

 

[FR0GGY]

If you look over Balme's history with each Club he's been at .....you'll find he preaches patience with Coaches ....more along the lines of looking for Club stability

Nicks has already used up plenty of patience, we don’t want to see Hinkley levels of patience here.

 

[FR0GGY]

Because you're not aware of the scenario's, doesn't mean it was made up

Try doing some research first, then comment

I think relapse is saying the patience by Richmond and Geelong was shown before Balme arrived at each club.
What’s the research that needs to be done?

 

[Geoffa32]

And another lefty. Case closed.

And who was pro Olsen? Reckon it’s been “not ****ing Olsen” vs “leave your lefty bias aside and give him a chance”

I was wary of him because of his SANFL ties.

Have to say though, he has been good.

 

[Cromulant]

I was wary of him because of his SANFL ties.

Have to say though, he has been good.

I always thought he would do what's best for whoever he worked for, and himself.

History shows that, for better or worse

 

[Doctor B]

Correct. Which is still better than what teague and bolton were doing, who just stayed in the bottom 2.

other coaches started at a higher place and went backwards

Teague coached Carlton for a 42% W/L record
Never finished bottom 2.
11 games in 2019, won 6, finished 16th
17 games in 2020, won 7, finished 11th
22 games in 2021, won 8, finished 13th

Nicks has coached us for 5 years. 35% W/L
We went backwards last year.

 

[George Kramer]

Because you're not aware of the scenario's, doesn't mean it was made up

Try doing some research first, then comment

So Mostyn do you think Wayne is being bullied and not bringing this upon himself?

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Teague coached Carlton for a 42% W/L record
Never finished bottom 2.
11 games in 2019, won 6, finished 16th
17 games in 2020, won 7, finished 11th
22 games in 2021, won 8, finished 13th

Nicks has coached us for 5 years. 35% W/L
We went backwards last year.

so he went backwards in year 3, unlike Nicks. Teague’s was probably too harsh though.

Carlton are a good example of a club uses coaches as scapegoats instead of fixing the underlying problems.

And I would have sacked at the end of 2024. My point is that his first extension was justified, but not the second.

 

[relapse]

Because you're not aware of the scenario's, doesn't mean it was made up

Try doing some research first, then comment

Nonsense on stilts

Richmond had an external review during the 2016 season and it was that review and the Board's belief in Hardwick that saved him from getting sacked at the end of 2016.

Balme was brought in post review for the 2017 season to oversee and implement the review recommendations.

It was the same role that Balme had undertaken at Geelong which is why Richmond chased him so hard because of his success at Geelong.

You can continue to pretend otherwise, but the reality is that Balme had as much say in Hardwick keeping his job after the 2016 season and with Thompson in 2006 as you and I did....ZERO

 

[relapse]

I think relapse is saying the patience by Richmond and Geelong was shown before Balme arrived at each club.
What’s the research that needs to be done?

Got it in one.

The decision and the faith shown to retain Hardwick for 2017 and Thompson for 2007 was made prior to Balme arriving at either club.

His argument is 100% codswallop.

 

[FR0GGY]

Got it in one.

The decision and the faith shown to retain Hardwick for 2017 and Thompson for 2007 was made prior to Balme arriving at either club.

His argument is 100% codswallop.

Interested to hear what you should have researched.

 

[cleanhands]

I think relapse is saying the patience by Richmond and Geelong was shown before Balme arrived at each club.
What’s the research that needs to be done?

No RSVP

 

[GameofSloanes]

If we dont make the finals next year and we don’t sack Nicks most certainly. If we do and they make positive changes then less likely.

If we don't make finals i cant see any possibility of nicks surviving

 

[1970crow]

Well, guys, it's time to put your money where your mouths are. Nominations for the member-elected position on the AFC Board open on the 17th! You will have to satisfy certain criteria before being allowed to nominate, so we'll see how that goes.

And then pass the nominations committee vetting process. It’s a total sham.

 

[1970crow]

Got it in one.

The decision and the faith shown to retain Hardwick for 2017 and Thompson for 2007 was made prior to Balme arriving at either club.

His argument is 100% codswallop.

According to chief, we have to respect the opinions of moderators, no matter how absurd they are.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

If you look over Balme's history with each Club he's been at .....you'll find he preaches patience with Coaches ....more along the lines of looking for Club stability

I think it's more that he has an eye for coaches. Sticks with coaches he thinks are good, moves on those he thinks aren't.

Joins Collingwood in 1998... Tony Shaw sacked in 1999. Malthouse appointed.