Barry Hall

[The Boy From Brasil]

I'd rather us build our own champion forward. You might be surprised when one of the young talls starts to make a mark. I think Roughhead will play regular footy for us next year. Jarred Grant also just might take the step...he's only 20. Cordy...might a bit further away but who knows. Boumann is showing some great signs. Liam Jones is another. Then whatever we pick up in the draft. If Hall comes....do we stifle the development of these young blokes?

Its a good point and was initially one of my concerns when the idea was first suggested some months ago.

I think we can do both though. Hall would be invaluable to teach the young KPP about forward play and how to train and play the position. He would be also good for taking the main defender so Grant or whoever can play the secondary role.

I guess when you look at it, at the moment we have no power forwards in the team. Ideally we would like two. Hopefully(touch wood) we have at least two ten year key forwards in our recent draftees. So it is a matter of having a bridge whereby we go from the first stage(no power forwards) to the second stage(one or two power forwards in a healthy forward stucture). Maybe Hall is part of that bridge.

 

[GetDimmaBack]

Well u tell me which Power forward we should go for then ?

Matty Lloyd?

 

[Bloods]

Will be good for your mob if he keeps his head. No reason why he can't, he played a number of seasons with us, without having any incidents.

He was on track for a 60-70 goal season this year and played a fair bit of good footy.

Only missed the last 8 games too, not most of the season as some are claiming.

Still more than capable of kicking 70 or so a season and everyone walks a little taller when he's up and about.

Worth the risk I reckon.

 

[The Boy From Brasil]

Bloods, how do you think Sydney will go about it?

Will they

a) say to BBB "okay Barry, you have given us fantastic service so you choose the club you want to go to and we will negotiate with them"

or

b)Play hardball and negotiate with all clubs interested in BBB to try and get the best deal possible for the club.


Just curious how they will go about doing the trade with big bad bustling.

 

[BB1888]

Will be good for your mob if he keeps his head. No reason why he can't, he played a number of seasons with us, without having any incidents.

He was on track for a 60-70 goal season this year and played a fair bit of good footy.

Only missed the last 8 games too, not most of the season as some are claiming.

Still more than capable of kicking 70 or so a season and everyone walks a little taller when he's up and about.

Worth the risk I reckon.

I agree, he is far from the absolute lunatic that gets rubbed out every second week that the media make him out to be. Of course he has had some very memorable brain snaps but he plays close to the edge and gets a lot of scrutiny from the umps, much of it deserved.

I think he would be a great teacher for our young forwards to learn from, of course we need to develop our young talls but how good would it to know that you are playing in a forward line with BBB keeping opposition backman honest??

 

[Bloods]

Bloods, how do you think Sydney will go about it?

Will they

a) say to BBB "okay Barry, you have given us fantastic service so you choose the club you want to go to and we will negotiate with them"

or

b)Play hardball and negotiate with all clubs interested in BBB to try and get the best deal possible for the club.


Just curious how they will go about doing the trade with big bad bustling.

Shortly after Hall resigned, Roos said that if he wanted to play on, the club would do everything they could to get him to his preferred club.

Unless there's 3 or 4 clubs seriously interested (highly unlikely), I can't see any reason why that would've changed.

As it stands, I personally don't think we're in any position to play hard-ball.

 

[Ghost of '85]

Its a good point and was initially one of my concerns when the idea was first suggested some months ago.

I think we can do both though. Hall would be invaluable to teach the young KPP about forward play and how to train and play the position. He would be also good for taking the main defender so Grant or whoever can play the secondary role.

I guess when you look at it, at the moment we have no power forwards in the team. Ideally we would like two. Hopefully(touch wood) we have at least two ten year key forwards in our recent draftees. So it is a matter of having a bridge whereby we go from the first stage(no power forwards) to the second stage(one or two power forwards in a healthy forward stucture). Maybe Hall is part of that bridge.

Yeah.....agree...if Hall can stand up and costs us nothing...then bring it on....and yeah maybe we can have out cake and eat it and develop the kids too.

 

[Vegas.]

Very good source says Hall is just about a done deal. Same source says the Dogs don't want Aker back (Eade dislikes him a fair bit).

 

[bully_bully]

Imagine him getting rubbed out for the GF after belting a good niggly defender.

He could be good value though for the half season he would play to help a young tall along ie good for development, not a flag.

Exactly. We made the GF, his sacrifice will always be remembered and justified his trade to improve us.

Cross wins the hard ball, quick handball to boyd who slams it on the boot to the F50. Hall outmuscled Taylor for an easy mark ( Scarlett, KO 5 mins earlier) and goal and we are through to the GF.

 

[St 07]

Very good source says Hall is just about a done deal. Same source says the Dogs don't want Aker back (Eade dislikes him a fair bit).

My source is telling me that you are a ********.

 

[Vegas.]

My source is telling me that you are a ********.

Just telling you what I heard champ.

 

[Kappa Tau]

Just telling you what I heard champ.

Leave it on your own board, thanks.

 

[chef]

My source is telling me that you are a ********.

Bit harsh. Thanks for the info Vegas. If I had the choice between Aker and Hall, i would go for Hall.

 

[Batman]

Very good source says Hall is just about a done deal. Same source says the Dogs don't want Aker back (Eade dislikes him a fair bit).

No shit sherlock, you only have to look at Eade's press conference post Brisbane game to see Eade doesn't like Aker, but then he ain't Robinson Crusoe there. And if we haven't lined Hall up (if he wants to play) that would be negligent

 

[Poptart]

Very good source says Hall is just about a done deal. Same source says the Dogs don't want Aker back (Eade dislikes him a fair bit).

I think your source might just be 50% incorrect!..

 

[Dazb86]

Hypothetically if he does have a 'brainsnap' does it even really matter? We are back to where we'd be without him for the 3-4 weeks he'd be rubbed out.
Don't understand that being a reason why you wouldn't want him. He would improve our spine DRAMATICALLY. I heard we lead the league in inside 50's. I'm sure if we had a Hall type player in our forward line he'd clunk a few of those half chances that come flying out of the centre clearances.

It pisses me off watching us waste half chances in our inside 50's when i see teams like St kilda and Brisbane making goals out of nothing due to there big guys.

We NEED a power forward.

In saying all that I wouldn't like to see us become Hall centric if we do get him.

 

[Mutt]

If Hall had been playing for us on the weekend I don't think that Scarlet would have been walzing aroung doing as he pleased. Hall would change the dynamics a huge amount up forward just from the added perceived defensive pressure.

Ask yourself this - would I enjoy playing the loose man in defence in a must win final knowing Barry Hall was lurking around 25 metres behind you with murder in his eyes?

 

[The Boy From Brasil]

Hypothetically if he does have a 'brainsnap' does it even really matter? We are back to where we'd be without him for the 3-4 weeks he'd be rubbed out.

I would say that it would matter because

a)If he does a brain snap, it has the potential to do damage and there is a fair chance that he will end up with more than the 4 weeks.

b)It becomes a distraction if he is losing control all the time. We want him and team concentrating on winning games of football,not trying to defend him all the time when he clocks people.


I am all in favour of chasing big bad bustling. But i would expect that the Bulldogs would do what any professional organisation would do and do their due diligence on him to make sure that this side of his game is under control or little chance of it happening again.

There is a risk in taking him though. No denying that. But we know the risk when we take him. If he turns around and clocks someone, I am not going to turn around and blame the club, because we all knew the riks before.

 

[The Boy From Brasil]

Ask yourself this - would I enjoy playing the loose man in defence in a must win final knowing Barry Hall was lurking around 25 metres behind you with murder in his eyes?

Its a good point. His intimidation is a positive attribute that he brings to our side. Not only because of his angry looking demeanour but defenders zoning back risk being taken out with a knee in a marking contest like Fev does.

Its getting the balance right between adding presence and intimidation and not doing anything stupid or crossing the line to get weeks or give away free kicks.

 

[Mutt]

There is a risk in taking him though. No denying that. But we know the risk when we take him. If he turns around and clocks someone, I am not going to turn around and blame the club, because we all knew the riks before.

There is also a risk in not taking Hall - the risk that our midget forward line will continue to regularly fail in finals games, leaving us agonisingly short of a flag for the fifth decade in a row.

If Eade thinks he wants Hall I'm all for it.

 

[The Boy From Brasil]

There is also a risk in not taking Hall - the risk that our midget forward line will continue to regularly fail in finals games, leaving us agonisingly short of a flag for the fifth decade in a row.

If Eade thinks he wants Hall I'm all for it.

I agree. I would think that the pressure both internally(from the board and football department) and externally(from supporters) for us to land at least one power forward in the off season would be immense. I would envisage the club to be really proactive in trying to recruit one. Not a guarantee as has been seen before, but I would think the effort will be there.

 

[ivan rassmussen]

Could all those nominating that Hall could teach a young forward about the game by playing Hall and Grant/Roughead/Boumann in the same forward line indicate how they think our forward line would look? I'm not against getting Hall, but replacing our current forward structure with two tall forwards also changes our side dramatically. If you are taking out Welsh (may finish this year) and Minson, do we play one ruckman off the bench, meaning we lose some of our leg speed? Say Hall and Grant come in - do they replace Minson/Welsh, Welsh/Eagleton, Welsh/Hill, Welsh/Hahn? Here's a team as an example:

B: Harbrow Lake Morris
HB: Gilbee Williams Hargrave
C: Picken Boyd Griffen
HF: Higgins Murphy Johnson
F: Grant Hall Akermanis
FOLL: Hudson Cooney Cross
I/C Minson Giansiracusa Ward Hill

Missing out are Everitt, Hahn, Eagleton, Reid, Welsh

Will it work?

 

[Mutt]

Could all those nominating that Hall could teach a young forward about the game by playing Hall and Grant/Roughead/Boumann in the same forward line indicate how they think our forward line would look? I'm not against getting Hall, but replacing our current forward structure with two tall forwards also changes our side dramatically. If you are taking out Welsh (may finish this year) and Minson, do we play one ruckman off the bench, meaning we lose some of our leg speed? Say Hall and Grant come in - do they replace Minson/Welsh, Welsh/Eagleton, Welsh/Hill, Welsh/Hahn? Here's a team as an example:

B: Harbrow Lake Morris
HB: Gilbee Williams Hargrave
C: Picken Boyd Griffen
HF: Higgins Murphy Johnson
F: Grant Hall Akermanis
FOLL: Hudson Cooney Cross
I/C Minson Giansiracusa Ward Hill

Missing out are Everitt, Hahn, Eagleton, Reid, Welsh

Will it work?

Is your point that we will have too many good players and can't fit them all in?

It will be a good thing if Gia, Aker, Hill, Picken, Grant, Roughead and others have some pressure on them to get into the side/stay in the side. Works pretty well for St Kilda at the moment.

 

[The Boy From Brasil]

To me, that forward structure that you have there Ivan looks a lot better than the one we have now.

Even though I have been wanting to play Grant next year alongside Hall, realistically he won't play all the games. He may only play 6 or 8. I am just keen to get some games into these young talls sooner rather than later.

I worry a bit about having 50% of our forward line with 34 year olds, especially with frontal pressure being the key strategy to this years premiership favourite. But will see how it goes at the end of the season and see who plays on and who calls it quits. Will also depend upon the salary cap situation.

 

[CrozaN]

If we dont get him, then we may as well kiss any chance of a permership next year good bye IMO.