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Bec Wilson: AFL in Strife Now with WADA

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NoAFLinmycomp said:
Gutter coach to match the gutter journos - there, I'm being an impartial foamer!
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By definition there is no such thing.

Whatsmore we have not heard Hird, he is coaching, that is his job, but i am confident we will at a later date.

Hopefully will end the career of some gutter journos, only of course long enough to vacate the chair for some new ones.
 
fabulousphil said:
What so ridiculous about getting a job because you root the boss, plenty of people get jobs that way, what is ridiculous is standing up for her because people say it.

It could be true and if it is who really gives a stuff, you can get a job by rooting the boss and then be good at it, she has got a job and whatever way she got it, she appears to be very, very bad at it.
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I don't read her aticles, but if she is as bad as you say or believe, why has she still got a job?
 
andrewb said:
The actual CAS tribunal holds no fears for me, only the time it's going to take to hear it. The case can't be proven in its current state, regardless of whether you lower the burden of satisfaction.
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So in other words we did such a good job of covering up what we did no one will ever be able to prove anything. Nice one.:rolleyes:
 

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fabulousphil said:
What so ridiculous about getting a job because you root the boss, plenty of people get jobs that way, what is ridiculous is standing up for her because people say it.

It could be true and if it is who really gives a stuff, you can get a job by rooting the boss and then be good at it, she has got a job and whatever way she got it, she appears to be very, very bad at it.
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Why is it relevant in this debate?
 
andrewb said:
You can get excited about WADAs case if you want, it's far better than watching Carlton play at the moment. I'm confident that no independent tribunal would be able to justify a positive finding and that the weakness of the case is well known at both ASADA and WADA. Perhaps they are simply using this as a means to subpoena Dank and get the 'truth', I'm not really sure of the motive.
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So they're just doing it to extend what your players have had to go through for nothing. Oh well. And as said earlier, your attempt to deflect is irrelevant and juvenile and says a fair bit about your inability to say anything mature or meaningful.
 
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andrewb said:
I don't fear the truth mate, I fear the consequences of a four and a half year witch-hunt on the careers and welfare of 34 Essendon and former Essendon players. This has been an almighty stitch up and the WADA appeal is comical in my eyes.

AFL/ASADA: Essendon, you doped the shit out of it and we know what you took.
Essendon: SRSLY? How do we get out of this?
AFL/ASADA: Help us to get Dank and we'll go easy on you
Essendon: Get Ziggy with it.
AFL/ASADA: Players you have to cooperate, it's in your contract. Plus, help us to get Dank and we'll go easy on you.
Players: Ok, we'll tell you what we know
ASADA: Did you take substances A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K,L.
Players: Nah. Substance G rings a bell.
The Age: Dank, did you give them TB4?
Dank: Yeah, nah.
ASADA: Sweet, now we've got Dank.
AFL: Sweet, we'll get rid of Hird.
Hird: Nah, that's not going to happen.
AFL: ASADA, give us some dirt to sink Hird.
ASADA: Sweet, here you go.
AFL: Hird you have to go otherwise we'll sack your mates and deregister the club.
Hird: Alright, as long as the players are not punished.
AFL: Deal.
ASADA: We've got a new CEO, all deals are off. You guys doped. Take a deal.
Essendon / Hird: Well this sucks. You guys have been dodgy.
Middleton: Actually, it was the AFL that was dodgy, not ASADA.
Essendon: OK
Hird: Nah, they were dodgy, OK?
Kenny et al: Hirdy pls.
Hird: Nah, they were dodgy, OK?
Essendon: Hirdy pls.
Hird: Have you met my lawyers?
Essendon: Hey Hirdy, you rock.
ASADA: You guys took a substance that you didn't know about it but you didn't know that it was what it was. Take a deal.
Players: What do you mean we doped? We're not taking no deals, we didn't dope. What is TB4 anyway?
ASADA: We warned you to take a deal. Here comes your whack.
Players: Hang on, you said if we helped out you'd look after us.
ASADA: Yeah that was the old CEO.
Players: So your case is that we probably took a substance that we've never heard of without our knowledge?
ASADA: Yeah
Players: And you want us to plead guilty?
ASADA: ...
ASADA: You doped. Now feel the power of my pimp hand.
AFL Tribunal: ASADA, you know that you need to actually prove that they doped don't you? Who are these jokers that you call witnesses?
ASADA: Yeah, nah.
AFL Tribunal: ASADA pls.
WADA: Why did you lose?
ASADA: Witnesses, burden of proof, evidence standards, the usual.
WADA: Let's take this to our home court.
Players: Srsly? How does world sport benefit if you manage to prosecute us for probably taking a substance that we've never heard of without our knowledge? We thought you wanted Dank?
WADA: **** up bitches. Our pimp hand is strong.
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And who is to blame for that? Had there been records it would have been over long ago. A bit rich to be accusing WADA of not caring about the welfare of the players. What about your club injecting them with who knows what? Now i know who Tim Lane was referring to.

And nice made up fiction.:rolleyes:
 
LoungeLizard said:
I don't read her aticles, but if she is as bad as you say or believe, why has she still got a job?
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She is that bad. I have no idea why she has a job except that there are always a few inexplicable characters in media
 
BlueWorld said:
So they're just doing it to extend what your players have had to go through for nothing. Oh well. And as said earlier, your attempt to deflect is irrelevant and juvenile and says a fair bit about your inability to say anything mature or meaningful.
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A bit touchy about talking about Carlton aren't we?
 

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ok two things.

1. This thread discusses little about the content of the article and is little more than people casting aspersions on various reporters and their integrity or lack thereof.
2. While much of the article is fine, it fails on the second last paragraph

The CAS makes it the sole responsibility of the athlete to prove his innocence without reasonable doubt. As it has been for every individual drug cheat snared by world doping agencies, these 34 will face the same grilling as a Russian hurdler, Chinese swimmer or American cyclist.
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Burden of proof still lies with WADA/ASADA on this.

Richard Ings ‏@ringsau May 15
Sorry Bec. But this piece is just wrong. This is not how CAS judges cases at all. CAS will apply the AFL rules. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/afl/there-are-worrying-and-jittery-times-ahead-for-the-afl-after-wada-lodged-its-appeal-against-essendon-34/story-fnp04d6y-1227356933450…

Richard Ings @ringsau · May 15
I have actually sat through a bunch of CAS hearings. I can assure everyone that the onus of proving ADRV's falls to WADA. Always has.

And since most of this thread is bent on discussing Wilson herself.
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