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X_box_X said:
Ben Harrison is odds-on to win the Bees' B&F. Perhaps I just made those odds myself, but he'll go very close to winning their B&F.

Rawlings will play more than one good game this season - and all of them will be in the back half of the ground.

Under Rohde, Harrison played 21 games last season. Under Eade, he'll be lucky to play six.
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Until this happens Jade has been no better than Harro. And I repeat again I don't think Harro is in or best 25, particularly if we want to go somewhere, however, he has produced more than Jade to date so it is up to Jade to change that.
 
I don't understand why Harro seems to be everyones whipping boy. If we got the same service out of everyone we would have won a lot more games over the last 3 years. He has been giving away inches every time he takes the park and always gives it 100%. We seem to forgive some players a lot more than others..
 
scooter600x said:
In 5 years of BigFooty I have agreed with PC28 twice and Sporty Spice once.

I reckon you're trippin'.
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How has Jade been a better value pick up than Harro to date? And don't just come out with the dribble Harro is crap, I also think he struggles, but he has been better value than Jade so far.
 

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simmo_b said:
I don't understand why Harro seems to be everyones whipping boy. If we got the same service out of everyone we would have won a lot more games over the last 3 years. He has been giving away inches every time he takes the park and always gives it 100%. We seem to forgive some players a lot more than others..
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Sing it sister/brother

He is the shizzle dizzle of the hizzle ho nizzle, assuming thats a good thing which Im not sure, but I think it is

Harro doesn't deserve the criticism he gets, and even if he did people barely ever criticise him constructively anyways. He gets the most out of himself and works hard for the club, theres not much more he can do than that. 22 is on my shortlist for a number Im gonna get on my back this year because he's one of my fave players and just to ******** the Dog fans that don't like him :)

I think we should have a Harro dedication week, where we can post non-nude pictures of the great man.
 
The_Flying_Egg said:
Sing it sister/brother

He is the shizzle dizzle of the hizzle ho nizzle, assuming thats a good thing which Im not sure, but I think it is

Harro doesn't deserve the criticism he gets, and even if he did people barely ever criticise him constructively anyways. He gets the most out of himself and works hard for the club, theres not much more he can do than that. 22 is on my shortlist for a number Im gonna get on my back this year because he's one of my fave players and just to ******** the Dog fans that don't like him :)

I think we should have a Harro dedication week, where we can post non-nude pictures of the great man.
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You had me til you said non-nude.

I have never been a Harro fan, but most of my criticism's about him relate to the way he was used by the coach formely known as mastermind. I reckon he is still ok value as a third tall defender/back up. Would only ever have him forward in times of injury crisis.
 
simmo_b said:
I don't understand why Harro seems to be everyones whipping boy. If we got the same service out of everyone we would have won a lot more games over the last 3 years. He has been giving away inches every time he takes the park and always gives it 100%. We seem to forgive some players a lot more than others..
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Apparantly, you must be tripping. I agree with your assessment and am still awaiting some evidence or thoughtful reply from Sporty or Scooter that would indicate that up until now Harro has not been a better VALUE pick up than Jade Rawlings. I say thsi even though at the time I supported acquiring Jade Rawlings and hope he will deliver some time.
 
lachy said:
Apparantly, you must be tripping. I agree with your assessment and am still awaiting some evidence or thoughtful reply from Sporty or Scooter that would indicate that up until now Harro has not been a better VALUE pick up than Jade Rawlings. I say thsi even though at the time I supported acquiring Jade Rawlings and hope he will deliver some time.
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There's only so much time in a day and at the moment, i'm utilising it by drinking beer. (Germany's finest too - Will would be impressed)

However, you are quite right, and i generally don't like being slagged without fact, so before i reply i will simply ask this. What did you expect Jade to do last season?
 
The_Flying_Egg said:
Sing it sister/brother

He is the shizzle dizzle of the hizzle ho nizzle, assuming thats a good thing which Im not sure, but I think it is

Harro doesn't deserve the criticism he gets, and even if he did people barely ever criticise him constructively anyways. He gets the most out of himself and works hard for the club, theres not much more he can do than that. 22 is on my shortlist for a number Im gonna get on my back this year because he's one of my fave players and just to ******** the Dog fans that don't like him :)

I think we should have a Harro dedication week, where we can post non-nude pictures of the great man.
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Well said and we will see what we can do about the Harro dedication and/or appreciation week.
Might have to wait until Local is on holidays though. ;)
 
simmo_b said:
I don't understand why Harro seems to be everyones whipping boy. If we got the same service out of everyone we would have won a lot more games over the last 3 years. He has been giving away inches every time he takes the park and always gives it 100%. We seem to forgive some players a lot more than others..
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He has easily taken on bigger men like Ottens on a weekly basis and beaten them. Has speed over these bigger guys also and i think him and Rawlings might work extremely well together in defence.
 
Sporty Spice said:
There's only so much time in a day and at the moment, i'm utilising it by drinking beer. (Germany's finest too - Will would be impressed)

However, you are quite right, and i generally don't like being slagged without fact, so before i reply i will simply ask this. What did you expect Jade to do last season?
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I suppose as a senior player you would like him to have better second efforts and not spend every second marking contest jumping forward, playing for free kicks and getting out of position in doing so, dropping his head when things aren't going his way and being a liability when the ball goes to the ground. He has ability and may well be a good player but do you beleive he was worth $300k pick 6 and Mark Alvey? If so I stand corrected
 
Do i think we over paid for Jade? Not sure. This is how i look at at...

I'm disapointed he didn't come to us in the trade period and we had to pick him up pre season, despite knowing that he would be a Bulldog regardless. I'm disapointed because i don't know what we could have done with that pre season pick. Would we have picked up Stevo? Would he have fit under the cap? Would he have been any good for us. All unknown.

Alvey was coming of the back of a knee injury and hadn't played a heap off good games with us. I always thought of Alvey as just another small on our list. Yeah he could kick goals, yeah he could get the ball, but those sorts of players are a dime a dozen. So i wasn't upset about Alvey being traded.

Pick 6 again, i'm not sure. The draft was considered weak, as most have been for the last couple of years and we already had pick 1 & 4. I can't even recall who went at 6 (not to say the player is bad, just my memory not good). Ok, so we would have had 3 picks in the top 6, but who would we have got.

Jade coming to us was huge. We hadn't have a high profile player come to us for a long time. We'd never traded massively for a player. We were already losing Brown and gaining 6 regardless and we were in need of decent KPP's.

So in terms of the actual trade, i don't know if we over paid for him or not. Summed up in one line, but at least you know my thinking behind all the moves involved.

Do i think he is worth the paycheck he's getting? Yes. From the moment he actually set foot in the WO his attitude was great. He was the most talkative on the track early in the pre season, and he made huge efforts to get to know everyone. He talked positively of the club and looked like he wanted to be there.

At the end of the season, he lead our contested marks. 16th in contested marks in 2003, top 4 in 2004. Most of that comes down to Jade. He is class. He has amazing natural ability, but like most of our players, i believed he suffered under Rohde. I think what we should do is not judge him from last years performance.

I think it's agreed that no one prospered under Rohde last year, and why would you? His coaching was terrible. When Jade was being beat in the forward line, why drag him? Why not throw him down into the back line where he's played most of his football?

Jade's not a great kick for goal, but he is a great mark and a good solid kick, as long as it's to a man and not at the goals. Eade's addressed this quickly and put him in the backline. Positive move in my opinion.

So, all that said, i think he was solid last year, but i think i will reserve judgements on whether we over paid for him until at least the end of this year. Sitting on the fence? Perhaps, but like i said, under Rohde, we were a shambles and it showed all over the place. This year i think we will really find out, not just Jade, but a lot of other players too, just how good we are, or if we really are just not a very good side.

(If this doesn't make sense, pls remember, i have had a couple)
 

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lachy said:
What facts did you present to support your original slagging???
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I didn't. That's why i said i don't like, so i shouldn't do it to you.

OldSchool - Too late and my post is too long and hurt my head too much to delete ;)
 
BulldogMike said:
He has easily taken on bigger men like Ottens on a weekly basis and beaten them.
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Sounds like he is a top line defender by that description. Want to try and provide a list if his winning matchups against quality opponents (of any size) from last season?

I'll start it for you...

Reiwoldt.

We'll see if you can come up with enough to justify your "weekly basis" assessment.
 
Back on the subject of Harro - while i and several other Bulldogs supporters have been quick to slag him off in recent years, i was just thinking last night when Riewoldt was towelling up Harris early who the next best option would be to play on Nick and i came up with Harro. Maybe he has got something to offer after all. And whoever slags off B Harris for his contribution over the last 2 years really does know nothing about football. Any player drafted at pick 71 that can hold down a KPP is a pretty fair pick up and is more than giving value for money.
 
talk about revisionism. harros game against the saints gets better every time its retold. I listened to the game on the radio and all the commentators were saying was:

'why arent they kicking it to riewolt'?

'they seem to be ignoring him, this is strange'

'grant thomas will be tearing his hair out...'

'at last, a kick to riewolt - but over his head!'

etc...

harris is a hack, end of story - a dud, filler, below average, under par, whatever you want to call him. take off your red-white&blue coloured glasses and take a look.

eade will not play him ever because its clear there is no point - he would just be robbing a younger tall of experience in the last year of his contract.

and I should add that rawlings played pretty well considering his injuries and how long we took to get the ball into the forward line. its kind of a shame for him that eade seems to be getting us taking the ball forward a lot quicker and straighter and rawlings has been shifted to defence. rawlings is 100 times a better footballer than harro.
 
If he doesn't make the run-on side or the 22 then he is a pretty good back-up player i mean he's got the experience and skill to handle playing on a good player and knows what to do.
I would have him on the bench or back-pocket depending on match-ups & form of himself and other players.
 
simmo_b said:
I don't understand why Harro seems to be everyones whipping boy.
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Because Ellis was traded
 
Bulldog1954 said:
Because Ellis was traded
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And now retired like Harrison should of.

I don't believe people just pick one player to bag, there a number of reason why we have finished last or near last recently and apart from the coach, having to play a limited player like Harrison every week is one.
 
I think Harrison is very lucky to be on the list this year. I would have given his spot on the list to another younger player like Heath Grundy. However since he has hung on how can we best maximise what he can offer the team? Everyone deserves a chance under the new coach.

Last year I suggested he should be insurance for a tall flankers role with the view to playing 8-12 games mainly filling in for injured players. I still think the same except as we have greater depth in the talls and we should be developing the younger guys (like Wight, Morgan, K-Mac, Williams etc). I would suggest 6-8 games would be more likely the target. If he had more physical presence he would add far greater value to the team.
 
I think you guys are underestimating Harrison, it wasn't that long ago that Harrison tagged Buckley for the whole game and shut him down.
Any player who can do that has got to be worth something.
If he can just get his fitness right (i'm not sure where he's at).
But a good versatile backpocket/midfield tagger would be very useful.
Even if he just tags a top player for a few quarters would be useful.
 

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