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Best attack v best defence....really? (GF week hyperbola)
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Please tell me you didn't try and compare York Park with the MCG? Oh my....
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The wind is different. Can be a straight wind tunnel at launy whereas it can swirl a bit at the mcg in hight winds
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It's a shithole exposed to the weather and is the longest flight time of all our away games. But other than that, yes, it's like the MCG and it's ironic that we complain about having to play there...In terms of ground size is there any closer
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Misread the heading as GF Ebola ... Thought the Pies might be a chance for a late call up.
So in terms of ground dimensions its exactly the same as the MCG
As for it being a shit hole I assume you have been. Subiaco has to be one of the worst grounds I have been too, not only in Australia but across the globe.
I read the title and got excited, but I am disappoint. Where is the hyperbola?
Linear Algebra board mate!
Haha! Do you even football? Every supporter takes umbrage to losing! Especially in a final...
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Did you go a bit early on this thread after the article titled
Hawthorns attack vs West Coast defense?
Looks like it's just a series of articles detailing each third of the ground matchups.
Today is Hawthorns midfield vs West Coast midfield.
Hawthorns attack vs West Coast defense?
Looks like it's just a series of articles detailing each third of the ground matchups.
Today is Hawthorns midfield vs West Coast midfield.
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Probably.
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...s-a-risky-pick-for-hawks-20150929-gjxknh.html
"Why Brian Lake is a risky pick"
Essentially boils down to because he's too slow and immobile to play on Kennedy. Which would be sound reasoning if you didn't consider that Kennedy will most likely be taken by Frawley this time and that Lake will play loose or on the resting ruckman. Something the article actually does cover. So not sure what the risk is.
"Why Brian Lake is a risky pick"
Essentially boils down to because he's too slow and immobile to play on Kennedy. Which would be sound reasoning if you didn't consider that Kennedy will most likely be taken by Frawley this time and that Lake will play loose or on the resting ruckman. Something the article actually does cover. So not sure what the risk is.
West Coast don't actually rest a ruckman forward for huge amounts of game time so then what?
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Not sure where you got your MCG dimensions from but afl website (and others) have it as 160m x 141m, so not same dimensions as York Park.
btw, what's with the "sqm"?
Lake shouldn't play IMO
Frawley is our best match up with Kennedy (and its not even close), Gibson to take Darling, Stratton can play big / small, Schoenmakers can swing between attack / defence and McEvoy can provide support in the backline
Playing Lake on Kennedy was an absolute disaster in the QF
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So then he plays loose where he can and gets a heap of intercept marks. There won't be room for direct leads that he can't keep up on if our midfield pressure slows West Coast entries. If that midfield pressure isn't there then defending leads becomes an almost impossible task even for the fittest and fastest defenders in the league.
Lake could also sit at full forward and take marks 20m out. A better forward option than Frawley against West Coast.
Lake is full of surprises. People said Tom Hawkins could beat him by dragging him up the field. Lake went up the field himself at one point and I believe he kicked a goal on him in one game.
He's looked very poor and slow at times over the last few years but he has always come good for the big games.
Like I said, if the midfield pressure is good then the ball will come in slower and higher and he will be evenly matched or better with his opponent. If the midfield pressure is lacking and West Coast can get quick transition through the middle and into leading forwards with space then he will be exposed against any opponent - as would most any defender in the league.
Sinclair doesn't sit on the bench for 80% of the game
I stand corrected.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melbourne_Cricket_Ground#cite_note-1
Naturally this does not include the boundary lines...
MCG - 160m x 141m
Subiaco Oval - 175.6m x 122.4m
Ethiad Stadium - 158.5m x 128.8m
Adelaide Oval - 190m x 125m
Spotless Stadium 164m x 127.5m
York Park - 175m x 145m
Bellrieve Oval - 160m x 124m
GABBA - 156m x 138m
ANZ Stadium - 159.5m x 128.8m
Metricon Stadium - 160m x 134m
From the last page...
West Coast's record at Subiaco - 12 wins, 2 losses 1594/903 (174.3%)
West Coast's record away from Subiaco - 6 wins, 1 draw, 3 losses 932/788 (118%)
Of West Coast's 10 games away from Subiaco, the Eagles played at the following venues -
Docklands (158.5m x 128.5m) - 2 wins, 1 loss 305/231 (133%)
Adelaide Oval (190m x 125m) - 1 win, 1 loss 147/194 (75.77%)
MCG (160m x 141m) - 1 win, 0 losses 90/70 N/A
Marrara Oval (I can't get anyone to confirm the dimensions?) - 1 win, 0 losses 114/60 N/A
Metricon Stadium (160m x 134m) - 1 draw 83/83 N/A
Bellrieve Oval (160m x 124m) - 0 wins, 1 loss 75/85 N/A
Hawthorn's record at the MCG and York Park - 11 wins, 3 losses 1536/904 (169.11%)
Hawthorn's record away from MCG / York Park - 7 wins, 4 losses 1216/868 (140%)
Of Hawthorn's 11 games away from the MCG / York Park...
Docklands (158.5m x 128.5m) - 3 wins, 1 loss 521/282 (184%)
Subiaco (175.6m x 122.4m) - 2 wins, 1 loss 246/237 (103.7%)
Adelaide Oval (190m x 125m) - 1 win, 1 loss 205/184 (111.4%)
ANZ Stadium (159.5m x 128.8m) - 1 win, 0 losses 146/57 N/A
Showgrounds (164m x 127.5m) - 0 wins, 1 loss 98/108
As for sqm, I must have had a mind blank yesterday. It's clearly not square metres...
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I'm not saying they don't play forward, but I'd be surprised if one of them is forward for more than 60% of game time combined.
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All good. Doesn't change the general gist of your posts which ring true. Both MCG and York Park, with their wide expanses, perfectly suit Hawthorn's game style.
For me the Hawks' biggest strength is their spread. Restricting Hill, Smith, Breust and Puopolo and minimising their influence will be the key to Eagles giving themselves a chance.
We don't really know what impact the wider ground will have on the Eagles (they are 2-0 on the wider grounds) but theoretically it should help its ruck ascendancy and targets up forward
The Eagles are unknown which is my only reason for the inflated Hawthorn price at the bookmakers (1.60 v 2.40)
